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Patrick Deegan, a senior range officer at the Shooting Edge, looks through the scope of long gun at the store in Calgary, Wednesday, Sept. 15, 2010. (Jeff McIntosh / THE CANADIAN PRESS) A rifle owner checks the sight of his rifle at a hunting camp property in rural Ontario west of Ottawa on Wednesday Sept. 15, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) NDP Leader Jack Layton speaks about the gun registry during a news conference in Ottawa, Thursday, Sept. 16, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)    NDP Leader Jack Layton speaks to reporters from the National Press Theatre in Ottawa, Thursday, Sept. 16, 2010. NDP Leader Jack Layton speaks to reporters from the National Press Theatre in Ottawa, Thursday, Sept. 16, 2010.

Fifth New Democrat changes vote, backs gun registry

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Patrick Deegan, a senior range officer at the Shooting Edge, looks through the scope of long gun at the store in Calgary, Wednesday, Sept. 15, 2010. (Jeff McIntosh / THE CANADIAN PRESS) A rifle owner checks the sight of his rifle at a hunting camp property in rural Ontario west of Ottawa on Wednesday Sept. 15, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) NDP Leader Jack Layton speaks about the gun registry during a news conference in Ottawa, Thursday, Sept. 16, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)    NDP Leader Jack Layton speaks to reporters from the National Press Theatre in Ottawa, Thursday, Sept. 16, 2010. NDP Leader Jack Layton speaks to reporters from the National Press Theatre in Ottawa, Thursday, Sept. 16, 2010.

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Date: Thu. Sep. 16 2010 6:35 PM ET

Northern Ontario MP Carol Hughes has become the fifth New Democrat to publicly change her position on the controversial long-gun registry, making it more likely the bill to dissolve the registry will fail.

Hughes helped to push a bill to abolish the registry through second reading, but now says she'll vote to defeat the measure. She told reporters Thursday she's "committing to improving" the "flawed" registry and "rejecting Stephen Harper's increasingly divisive campaign to scrap it outright."

NDP Leader Jack Layton told reporters: "I am confident we have the votes needed to defeat Bill C-391."

Government House Leader John Baird conceded it seemed more likely the bill would die, and lashed out at NDP members who he said were "flip-flopping" their position due to "pressure from Toronto elites."

"It is a bit disingenuous for people to be against the gun registry and voting against it as long as it was able to stay in place," Baird said.

"I obviously share the disappointment of many of my colleagues that people who had fought so long, so hard, so passionately against the registry are now feeling the pressure from the two Toronto leaders, Mr. Ignatieff and Mr. Layton."

Hughes said her decision was not made lightly.

"I have reviewed a years' worth of input from people across this riding--hundreds of mail-back cards, phone calls, notes from meetings and reports. And I can tell you that their views about the registry are rich and diverse, just like they are everywhere else in the country," she said.

"Should Ottawa have spent a billion dollars on this thing? I say no way, and so do most people around here," she added.

"But that start-up money is gone, and I want to look forward, not back. I think many people were surprised to learn this month that it now only costs a dime per Canadian to keep the registry running."

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, meanwhile, has told his caucus to vote against the private bill from going any further.

Liberal MP John McCallum said he's "absolutely convinced" all Liberal MPs will show up unanimously to kill the bill and preserve the gun registry.

The Bloc Quebecois says it will vote against the bill in a Commons vote next Wednesday. That puts the bill's fate in the hands of the NDP.

Layton has said his MPs can vote freely on private members' bills, but noted a "strong majority" of the NDP's rural caucus had decided to vote against the bill.

Nova Scotia's NDP MP Peter Stoffer is holding a news conference on Monday, when he is also expected to announce he'll vote to keep the registry.

Hughes said she supports Layton's initiative to fix the registry to make it more palatable to rural voters, including decriminalizing first offences if they don't include other crimes, and respecting the treaty rights of First Nations people.

She condemned Harper's increasingly bitter campaign against the registry and singled out Conservative MPs who describe police associations as "special-interest groups."

"All of the major Canadian policing organizations say the registry is helping front-line officers keep our communities safer and we need to give them the tools to succeed," she said.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Ian
said

Those who support the gun registry always amaze me in how they are willing to ignore actual facts and logic about this issue in the puruit of promoting their idelogy about long guns. I saw nes clips on CBC Newsworld today that Dawon College students and staff want the long gun registry saved. on the surface, if you were a foreigner to Canada or just landed here from another planet it would make sense if you heard of the gun killings at Dawson College. But what these students and other activist conveniently always fails to mention is that the gun that Kimveer Gill used at Dawson that day was legally registered. The same goes for the polytechnique shooting. This event was before the long gun registry's inception, but we'll never know if the rifle used by Marc Lepine would have been registered if there was s registry, or if it was whether it would have stopped him from using it. All we might be able to know from the registry, if it worked properly, was whether or not the gun was registered. It would not have prevented the killings. I love a good debate, but so far all I've heard about from the Pro registry side is rhetoric, lies and fear mongering. They don't care one iota about the facts, they just want to get their way no matter what. i hope the NDP MPs who are changing their votes get tossed because they are certainly not worthy of the title"Honorable"


Michael Wagener
said

Everybody whining about the NDPers and Liberals not voting for the will of their constituents are flaunting a hypocritical double-standard. How many Conservative MPs representing urban or suburban ridings including the 10 in Quebec will vote to keep the registry in keeping with their constituent's wishes?? Thats right...NONE!! Quebecers overwhelmingly support the registry so every one of the Quebec Conservatives should be voting to keep it. Of course, the anti-whipped vote camppaign by Conservative supporters on here don't apply that standard to their own Party!! Pathetic!


Ian
said

Jack Layton should stop trying to come across as this great leader who allows his members to vote freely when it's as plain as his bald head that it's not true. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when these caucus meetings are held. Only misguided NDP sheep believe that he is allowing a free vote on this issue. The Conservatives haven't changed their position since the motion was put forward, and that was good enough for the NDP MPs who voted to scrap it. Now they're coming up with this bogus excuse that it's because Harper refuses to entertain fixing the registry and is causing a rift between rural and urban Canadians. What a bunch of hogwash. Common Jack be honest with us or at least the poor saps that voted for you guys.


peter in MB
said

So IGGY Jack and the police chiefs think this is a valuable tool for fighting crime and keeping our streets safe. We you guys spent 2 Billon on the wrong tool for the Job and the tool has been broken since the day you bought it. Even if it solve one crime which it has not there still would be not point to it since the justice system give probation and conditional sentences to Gang members who use guns and other repeat violent Criminals whom have no intention of obeying the law. The liberal way has not work in 10 years its now time to try it the conservative way and lock up the violent criminals and stop harassing law abiding citizens.


Winnie
said

Politics Politics Politics that's all the long gun registry is for, certainly not to protect we Canadians as it doesn't work. if someone wants to kill me or a lot of people they will, registered gun or not, common sense alone tells us that.From all I've heared on radio talk shows from police etc and Canadians and long gun holders, it DOES NOT WORK, so why are the media and politicians trying to save it SO much that's what I'ld like to know??? Perhaps Politics.?? I listened to a radio talk show a week or so ago and over 80% of callers were against it and a lot were police involved and on CTV site here I'd say 80% were against it by the Question Jane Taber asked and put on internet also. So where are all THESE statistics.


Steve
said

HMJC. Get your facts in order. This is not about hand guns. Hand gun resistry has been around for a very long time.


Jennifer In Calgary
said

It is pathetic that the Liberals and NDP will not allow their members to vote what the residents of their ridings want.While I understand that Toronto doesn't get hunting or fishing or even anything outside of their city limits. They need to worry about illegal guns not law abiding citizens who hunt and fish to put food on the table.I sure hope that our government will do what is right by all Canadians and abolish the gun registry.Did you know 1 lisenced gun owner can borrow guns from another. Just because one person is registered to have gun xyz and gun owner B is registered to have acb, he could be borring gun xy from gun owner A to see if he should buy them. The registry is useless to the police on the streets. The critical information they need is contained in CPIC not in some gun registry which CRIMINALS dont abide by.


JP
said

@Keith: No, you are wrong. You've drunk the kool-aid like a good little slave. I DO in fact have a RIGHT to drive a car, so do you. News flash: I have a RIGHT to be alive. You have a RIGHT to be alive. You have a RIGHT to participate in the economy and find a job. Because this means requiring a personal vehicle in almost ALL circumstances, you have a RIGHT to drive a vehicle. I have a right to own my hand guns and use them for personal defense and target practice/shooting competition sports, BECAUSE I have a RIGHT to be alive. The government does NOT grant me those privileges. They are MINE a-priori, because I have a right to my own life and to govern to the best of my ability. Only moral degenerates, people who can't tell right from wrong, need to be granted privileges and to have them regulated, like herd animals in a pasture. Which type are you? The government does NOT turn my right to life, into a privilege to LIVE it. Your concepts are absurd and insulting to the free rational mind.


Doug from Whitehorse
said

People forget two things:1. Gun ownership is a privelige, not a right.2. The political party whose ideology lends most likely to confiscate guns is the one that is presently in power.


Stu from London
said

@Gregoryd There is no way your MP was voted in over the Conservative candidate because she said she would vote for scrapping the registry. That doesn't make any sense, the only party that has come out against this registry has been the Conservatives. There is no way a non-Conservative MP was voted in because he or she said they would scrap the registry, especially an NDP candidate. Anyone with half a brain who really wanted to see the registry gone, would've voted Conservative and no one else. Your non-Conservative MP didn't win because she said she'd get rid of the registry. I truly think that's impossible.


Erin
said

My husband and I own a number of rifles and as much as we would like to see the registry turfed, I doubt it ever will be...my guess is it will go on and on back and forth with yes we will scrap it, to no we are not...it will really surprise me if it does get thrown out!


Martin for Canada
said

Gun registry is no guarantee of any reduction in crime. As Mayor of a City in the west, we have a City police dept and there is NO justification of this registry. When the crime is done, it doesn't matter if it was registered other than putting the blame on unsafe storage. Well, if that is the issue, then legislate safe storage, no problem!What has happened is the crimes committed are dramatized and the gun registry issue is always a "tag" added into the story.That is why there is such opposition to abandoning the registry. It has nothing to do with safety, it has everything to do with the media hype and dramitization. Media makes politics, politics makes the media thrive!


peter in MB
said

@Larry…(Actually a crime was solved a few years ago with the death of those 4 RCMP officers. I don't recall the details but recently a conservative member did reluctantly admit that this was true.) I remember the details are that the RCMP are trying to charge the law abiding gun owner who had his registered Gun stolen by Rosko when Rosko pointing an unregistered hand gun to his head and threatened to kill him and his family if he did not give him the gun. Rosko was also out on bail for uttering death threats to police and shooting at a person. So the registry worked great in making a criminal out of a victim of a crime. Rosko was prohibited by court order from possessing firearms for life but that flew like a lead balloon for someone who had not intentions of ever obeying the law. The only thing that will keep our streets safe is locking dangerous repeat offenders like him in prison until they decide to obey the laws.


Kim
said

Conservative MP Candace Hoeppner was in North Bay yesterday (Liberal riding) and only had 150 attend the meeting. Not a lot of support for trashing the gun registry in this northern riding. Harper knows he'll lose this vote, guns are only an issue with the rednecks & criminal type. Law abiding citizens want to keep the registry intact, this is a silly soft on crime bill that needs to be defeated.


M.M.B. Ont
said

First I read that the long gun registry costs each taxpaper in Canada just $1.00. Now today I read that it costs each taxpayer only 10cents... Imagine!! That is a 90 cent difference. So who is telling the truth and who is lying here?? The NDP or the media??The Gun reistry is useless and the Police and the Politicians know that. However the NDP and the Liberals need to play their Political games against Harper. Harper could use the monies saved by scrapping the registry to pay down the deficit. However Iggy and Jacky boy would not like that because they want to be able to scream at the Canadian people at election time that Harper has created this hugh deficit, not mentioning that they are also responsible for that deficit because they demanded a large stimulus under threat of overthrowing the gov't. But Canadians know better .


JP
said

@Keith: No, you are wrong. You've drunk the kool-aid like a good little slave. I DO in fact have a RIGHT to drive a car, so do you. News flash: I have a RIGHT to be alive. You have a RIGHT to be alive. You have a RIGHT to participate in the economy and find a job. Because this means requiring a personal vehicle in almost ALL circumstances, you have a RIGHT to drive a vehicle. I have a right to own my hand guns and use them for personal defense and target practice/shooting competition sports, BECAUSE I have a RIGHT to be alive. The government does NOT grant me those privileges. They are MINE a-priori, because I have a right to my own life and to govern to the best of my ability. Only moral degenerates, people who can't tell right from wrong, need to be granted privileges and to have them regulated, like herd animals in a pasture. Which type are you? The government does NOT turn my right to life, into a privilege to LIVE it. Your concepts are absurd and insulting to the free rational mind.


steve in wildrose country
said

Can anyone show a single crime that was stopped or solved because of the long gun registry?


Joyce
said

Goodness gracious my dear friends, we all know criminals don't register their guns. So please don't be a criminal register your guns like the rest of the good law abiding citizens. Do your part to make Canada a safer place.


Bender
said

OK, pro-registry people, I'll make a deal with you. I'll register all my long guns if you get Jack & Iggy to agree that they will never use the registry as a tool to confiscate legally owned private property. Deal? No? I didn't think so.


Dayton
said

If all Canadian's register register I'm for it. But certain groups don't and won't . If the registry could have stopped Rosko and Dagenais I'm for it but it did not. Just a waste of time and money. Put more cops on the street instead.


Larry
said

To Steve B: Actually a crime was solved a few years ago with the deatrh of those 4 RCMP officers. I don't recall the details but recently a conservative member did reluctantly the admit that this was true.


MARG MM
said

It is hard to understand how urban voters believe that the LONG GUN registry makes them safer. The gangs that operate in those areas do not use long guns, and do NOT register the ones they do use. Innocent people have been killed in gang related shootings in Toronto and Vancouver. Drive by shootings happen quite regularly, even blatant day time ones. There have been targeted shootings in restaurants late at night in Vancouver, and drive by shootings in many areas of Metro Vancouver, many in affulent neighbourhoods. The weapons used are all illegal, and when the criminals have better weapons than the police, that is a problem. As a urban voter, I have absolutly NO illusions that the LONG GUN registry will keep me and my family safer, as I know that the criminals are using weapons that are NOT registered. Personally, I think that the money would be better spent on more policing and resources to get the criminals off the streets. I am not a gun advocate by any means, but am able to figure out that the guns used by gangs and other types of criminals that are killing our citizens are not registered. When pictures are shown of weapons siezed, there are a lot of machine guns and automatic weapons in the pile, none would have been registered. Jack Layton knows that he can't go against his Toronto voters,and has just thrown his rural members to the wolves to save his own seat. Michael Ignatieff is essentialy doing the same, as they have mostly urban MP'S. It will be an interesting vote.


scott
said

I wonder what this Carol Hughes got in return for selling out her constituents. I am curious as to why , as far as I know, no one has taken the effort to explain to canadians how this registry is supposed to prevent gun crime. As far as I can tell, its sole purpose was to fool canadians into beleiving that our government gives a damn about protecting it's law abiding citizens. Also, this 2 billion dollar figure people keep mentioning is crap. The true figure for this farce is more closer to 6 billion and counting.


Manitoulinvoter
said

Well Carol Hughes, you only got my vote because I wanted to make sure the liberals didn't get in. It was the first time I ever voted NDP and you've just ensured that it will definitely be the last. Talk about not representing the majority of your constituents, shame on you! Northern Ontario with our high numbers of hunters will not forget what you have done when it comes to voting time, hope you enjoyed your ride because it will be your one and only!!


Carl
said

What else do you can you expect a money grabbing NDPer do?


Just Me
said

11,000 times a day? thats 4,015,000 times a year... over the 10 years that the registry has been in operation thats 40,150, 000 times its been accessed...how many licenced gun owners are there in canada? my God we must have a serious legal gun ownership problem in canada when the police go out and check the registry more times than there are people in this country. Can any of you people who are swallowing the leftist media crap wrap your heads around this statistic. there are only 36 million people Tops in Canada today let alone ten years ago and only a small portion of them own guns. to believe that front line police officers actually do a registry search of thier own volition this many times a day is absolutly ludicrous. the only reason the registry gets accessed so often is that its a default...every time a name licence plate or address is entered into a cops terminal it cross refrences the registry...and thats it...does it stop the person who has the gun from using it? NO! the rgistry does not do anything to PREVENT a gun from being used and as a gun user in the past I can state quite conclusively that accessing the registry after the gun is fired is pretty much too late...


Slewhigh Yendick
said

As much as I don't like Cam's post,, I have to agree with some of what he says.. Cam said that Harper COULD have made the registry an election issue and have the house fall non-confidence.As a matter of fact I myself have said this MANY times in the last four years. Many other unimportant issues were brought forth to test the opposition's intestial fortitude , but never this one.That said ,, I do not support the registry at all,it infringes on my rights as a minority,, panders to Quebec and the cities, saves no lives, costs everyone a pile of money, and is just another step towards a totalitarian one world government........


Bruce from Alberta
said

YAY for wasting more money. Man I love being broke, come on goverment you're only taking 50-60% of what I make you can do better, lets shoot for 80% hell lets just turn communist, got lots of red in our flag already.


Niagara George
said

One very important point that is repeatedly neglected in this story is that this is a private member's bill. Steve may support it and he may have talked about it before the election, but he was not willing to present it in parliament. He left that to one of his MP's. You can be sure that when the bill is defeated, the King will separate himself from the loss. He will not bring it up until the next election when he will again talk about it as if it was a normal government bill. We need honest leadership in this country, not a bunch of yes-men following a leader who is willing to do anything in his quest to gain the elusive majority. Some talk about the parliamentary tradition of free votes on private member's bills. I wonder if Steve will follow the parliamentary tradition and resign when he fails to achieve a majority in the next election.


Carol
said

Thank you Jack & Mikey for supporting this valuable tool the police need to make Canada a a safer place to live. My goodness only a mad man & a criminal would want to take away such a valuable program. Scrapping the registry is a soft on crime approach & not in the interest of safety for Canadians.


Gregoryd
said

re:Stu from londonYour comments about the gun people already voting for conservatives is untrue. In my riding the mp state she was against the gun registry and would vote against it. She was elected. Now she changed her vote so she will be thrown out as she should be.


RCR
said

@SammyI've heard the same story about most gun deaths are from long guns... Please quote the statistics that prove that statement. Gee maybe you should look at the Toronto news every day and see how many people are dying there and wonder of wonders, a long gun is not used in any of these cases. I also keep pointing out that the flawed gun registry did nothing to prevent the death of the OPP officer in SOUTHERN ONTARIO a few months ago and yet according to reports the long gun used in that case was REGISTERED. Now how is that possible? The supporters of the registry keep telling us it save lives... Maybe we could also see the stats on that statement.


Gel
said

I find the most disturbing and overlooked fact that has been brought to light here is that: Your Elected representatives are not being allowed to vote according to the majority of those constituents who voted to elect them. This is not democracy...you know freedom and democracy that was purchased at a high price in WW1 and WW2. The Libs and Libs and thier ( Not duly elected leader ) have out and out stated they are going to whip thier members to vote the party line! and Don't let Taliban Jack fool you either...he said his members could vote freely...but now all of a sudden several who voted down the registry last round are remarkably voting to keep it this time???? have their constituents changed thier minds en mass? And they wonder why no one seems to vote anymore...does it really matter? It's time for all canadaians to stand up and vote...to take back our democracy and remind all these polititions that they work for us...those young men and woman who gave thier liver for freedom and democracy would be rolling in thier graves if they could see what has become of our once great nation!!!... I Was and still am a proud of my country and what is has done for the world but I am almost ashamed to call my self a Canadian anymore.


Richard in Ontario
said

I'm certain that the Liberal and NDP MP's that have flip, flopped on the registry question are guaranteed thier gold plated pension. Some of them know that going along with Iggy and Jack and the elite folks of Toronto will most certainly cost them their seat. What irks me the most is that Ignatieff and Rae have been going on for over a year now about democracy being whittled away by the conservatives and now to save face because of all the money wasted by the Libs they have now turned their backs on democracy and ordered their MP's to vote to retain the useless registry. What a pair of Hypocrites. And for Jack Layton to go on that he is allowing a free vote and yet five or six of his caucus have changed their minds on this matter doesn't really pass the smell test. As said, hypocracy is alive and well in Canada.


Niagara George
said

As others have said... the NDP is the same as the Liberals. We know that because they are willing to stand up for the good of Canadians. In some cases they are even willing to risk a backlash in their own ridings to stand with the RCMP and police chiefs across our country. The Conservatives may have abandoned their so-called 'law and order' agenda in a feeble attempt to pit rural against urban and west against east. The NDP and the Liberals have seen through this charade. As is their pattern, Steve and his friends are always more than willing to forget their own principles if they think it will help in their quest for a majority.


Gel
said

Ok Facts: any gun legally purchased in Canada must be licenced. The purchaser must provide a firearms aquisiton certificate. One cannot recieve a firearms aquisition certificate with a criminal record for any acts of violence, robbery drugs etc. OR a psychological history that includes tendancies to harm themselves or others or tretment for anger management or violence. Both the licence and the F.A.C. certificate are registered government documents which could be gathered into a single database without adding more beurocracy or cost to the taxpayer or the legal law abiding gun owner. the fact that a gun is registered does not prevent it from being used as a weapon to harm oneself or someone else. only 3% of gun crimes in Canada are the result of a gun that originated in Canada.

Jack
said

Isn't it ironic that the Liberals & NDP tell us they are supporting the gun registry because the police say we need it, yet they are against "get tough on crime" legislation that is also supported by police. They only support the police's views when the focus is on law abiding citizens, not criminals.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

It was always tilting at windmills to think the registry would be shuttered. Governments almost NEVER give back freedoms they have already taken away. Anyone foolish enough to expect the NDP to represent their constituent's views on this issue would clearly be delusional. I am hopeful people will remember this at election time.


doug4711
said

Reading the comments that are sent in to this site is a real eye opener, a real shock and a very big disappointment in the direction that some of our population beleive this country should go.It is the Liberal (left leaning philosophy, meaning social philosophy, meaning inclusion, meaning intelligence) that has built our country. This is the philosophy that brought the disenchanted to our country and built it to what it is: ergo the envy of the world.We don't need guns! Hand guns are already being registered so why not the long (really big) guns?These podunk rednecks (I realize that this is not a really warm or collaborative expression, but accurate nonetheless) that seem to be so hard done by with this registry need to take a step back and think for a few minutes about their position.I know that thinking is going to hurt them a bit but it is important that somehow, some way they will come to their senses about this really wrong Right Wing stance that they extoll.The Liberals are right about this issue and so are the NDP.doug


LongGunOwner
said

RE: SAMMY: HAHAHAHA!!! You have it ALL backwards man. Harper is NOT whipping the vote on this issue, Iggy is. Iggy is the one refusing to follow many decades worth of House of Commons voting tradition in this country and denying ALL Canadians true democracy! The registry has never been used to 'prevent' crime, as it cannot or it would be out in the news in the last 15 years since the registry was created. Do you really think the media would hold back on even 1 case involving A crime which was prevented by the registry?? Where is it? Show me!


Keith in Brampton
said

@ JP: This isn't the USA; there is no RIGHT to gun ownership, any more than there's a RIGHT to a driver's licence. Anyone who doesn't want to register a gun must have something they desperately want to hide. What are YOU hiding?


Peter in MB
said

Harper is NOT whipping the vote people! Scrapping the gun registry was one of the Conservatives campaign promises they had in their platform in the last election that all Conservative including MP's in urban ridings said they were going to do if they got elected. they are now trying to keep that promise! Just like lowering the GST, defending our North and more money for our military were also Campaign promises that they have kept. Unlike the liberals who broke every promise they made when they were in power.


J... Binscarth
said

Kill the gun registry,it hasn't helped a thing,and it has cost us taxpayers billions for nothing...Scrap it..


Acroyear
said

This is going to be incredible ammo for Harper and team in the next election, whenever it is. The latest polls I've seen is something like 67% of the country as a whole wants it gone, for a variety of reasons. Well done Jack and Iggy... you stepped straight into the trap... hell... you danced into it with enthusiastically. Well done.


Keith in Brampton
said

So Hughes changes her vote, "rejecting Stephen Harper's increasingly divisive campaign to scrap it outright." and Baird replies the NDP are flip-flopping due to "pressures from Toronto elites." Way to prove her point Baird! East vs West; urban vs rural; rich vs poor; intellectuals vs working class; it there any division you WON'T exploit to try to keep the non-Tory vote fractured? Are there any issues that genuinely matter to the Tories, beyond keeping enough support in enough ridings to keep your MINORITY government afloat? Just once, I'd like to see the Tories provide sound, sensible reasoning on issues that seem to resonate with voters, rather than constant name-calling to rile up the rabble.


Henry Wysmulek
said

Another sleazy politician elected promising to support scrapping the bill, stabs her voters in the back!


schpid
said

Show us the stats. Show how many lives this has saved. How many times it has been accessed and how many potential stand offs it has diffused.Until then it is a complete waste of money. Just think what a billion dollar infusion into our police services across Canada would have done to combat crime. Criminals DO NOT register their guns.Can anyone explain just what the NDP means when they say the first offense would be decriminalized? Does that mean the gangster with an unregistered gun in his pocket at a traffic stop is let off?Thanks for keeping us safe Jack.


Jim
said

The gun registry doesn't even go far enough. I think anyone that owns a gun should have to under go for a mental examination, the mentally unstable shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. People with impaired driving & people with a history of violence should also not be allowed to own a gun, because their actions show no self control & lack of respect for their fellow human being. Law abiding citizens should be more than happy to register their dangerous weapons & do their part in making Canada a safer place to live. Harper's soft on crime approach is bad for the Canadian public. The majority of gun deaths happen in rural areas with long guns, it's plain & simply silly to even think about getting rid of the registry. Harper has used this issue many times over the past years to big wealth in the conservative party & divide Canadians. What kind of government tries to divide Canadians? A power hungry dictator.


Dave W, Lacombe, AB
said

Oooh, my gun's registered, better not use it to commit a crime! Yeah right, like having a registered gun actually prevents it being used in a crime. In all likelihood (and probably is a fact) most guns - handguns, rifles, whatever - used in crimes are either stolen (so what does it matter if it's registered) or obtained on the black market and therefore never registered. And in the domestic cases, does having a registered firearm prevent the use of it? I would say not. All the long gun registry is is an intrusive Liberal vehicle to make them look like they were doing something about crime. I don't own a rifle but I really don't want the government prying heavily into my life/activities just because I do own one. This whole registry is an invasion of privacy and a tax grab under a different name - and in the guise of "safety."


John, Halifax, NS
said

I see the NRA posters are out in full force again today, go back to America you bunch of bums!To all the posters who say this will give the conservatives seats in rural Canada. I guarantee they'll lose more seats in the cities for calling them "elites" then they'll gain. Owned, Harper = Fail!


Stu from London
said

Anyone who actually thinks the saving of this registry is going to sway voters over to the Conservatives is not thinking. The people who wanted the registry gone already voted for the Conservatives. Why would have someone voted for the NDP, Liberals, or Bloc if they wanted the registry scrapped? It makes no sense. I would suggest the majority of Canadians don't really cares about this issue. Scrap it, keep it, who cares. It'd be nice if this government dealt with some real issues instead of census's and registries. The Conservatives are basically a small potatoes government. Let's get to some meat, shall we?


John from Saskatoon
said

People are using flawed arguements to support the registry. This does not make people safer. How can it. The firearms aquisition certificate is meant to weed out unstable or unsuitable people from legally possesing firearms. The gun registry has nothing to do with that. If police look up a person and it shows they have no guns registered do they now deal with that person without percautions. What if they haven't registered their gun. If someone does have guns registered do the police now automatically go in with guns drawn for everything. No. With the arguement police are making they'll just stroll in if they see no gun registered like everything is fine. This will get people killed. How does registering a gun stop that person from later commiting a crime with it. It can't. Most street crimes are commited with hand guns. Those are already restricted so the street thugs can't register them even if they wanted to. Did the people who shot up the schools in Quebec have their guns registered? If so how did this crime take place? If not it shows that if people that plan to commit a crime they will obtain guns and not register them. If a legal gun owner comes under psycological care then you can see if that person has an FAC and then check if they have guns. The registry does not work. It gives people a false sense of security which I argue is much more dangerous. Besides if after the number of years this registry has been in place and there are still as many unregistered guns out there as they say then what's the point.


Kirk
said

This just goes to show how incompetent both the NDP & Liberals really are! All they are trying to do is gain points with the public hoping that this will help them gain more seats in the next election. Iggy and Layton are the biggest bozos on parliament hill. Everytime Harper does something, he is showing the rest of the country what total idiots the opposition is really made up of. They will never get into power until they smarten up and start making more intelligent decisions based on what is actually good for the country. They will NEVER get my vote.


GERRY
said

The far left wing nuts the n.d.p. the c.b.c.all like to spend the tax payers $$$$.


Ontario Taxpayer
said

I am amzed at the stetements being made by people on this issue. Do some research before blasting out your emotional response. The gun registry is not effective in combating crime. A registered gun or an unregistered gun still works the same way. The old saying still holds true, guns do not kill people, people using guns do. Coming from a family that has police officers in it, I can feel pretty confident in saying that the average street cop does not like nor trust the national long gun registry. It is ineffective, out of date and a watse of money....the only police officers (and I use that term loosely) that are in favour of keeping the long gun registry are the politically motivated Chiefs....who are more concerned about their political futures then the beat cops. As a tax payer, I am sick and tired of paying for the social engineering schemes of the politically motivated left wing of this country. I am tired of my hard earned pay going towards a useless registry that has never proven that it has saved even one life! Get rid of it.....and for the Rural NDP voters in the ridings who MP's have turned, this proves that Jack Layton is only concerned about his GTA base and that is all. He does not care about the wishes of the northern and rural constituants. Please remember that when the next federal election rolls around.


Al - Ottawa
said

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the NDP have the moral high ground on the Liberals. At least the NDP are allowing their MPs have a free vote, while Ignatieff has ordered all the Liberal MPs to vote as he commands them. So much for Canada being a democracy when the ELECTED members of parliament don't vote the way the people in their ridings want them to vote, but as their party leader orders them to vote. Essentially, in Canada, we have a system where the party leaders decide everything. We might as well get rid of all the MPs. Instead of spending millions (if not billions) electing and paying the salaries of these hundreds of MPs, why don't we just pick the leaders? The percentage of the vote that each leader gets is the weight of their vote.


AL
said

I never thought I would say this but NDP MP Carol Hughes along with the Liberals and the BLOC are right to vote against this Bill. Folks the money has already been spent and there is minimal cost to keep it going. I know there are people out there who don't want to register weapons but when they are forced to do so when they purchase weapons then so be it. I just use my two weapons for hunting and I don't mind that police or any other enforcer knows that I have them in my posession. I think they should know where all weapons are at all times, but common sense tells me that criminals won't agree.


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

The Liberal and N.D.P. parties will be much smaller after the next election. They will pay dearly in rural Canada ridings for their flip flop on the long gun registry. There are many unhappy Liberal and NDPers in rural Canada. who own long guns.They have just "shot themselves in the foot".


Bernadette, from Windsor, ON
said

LOL, NDP FLIP FLUP AGAIN. Shame on you Jack!!! Does NDP ever know what they stand for? Well, obviously,"COALITION ACTIVIST" with the Bloc and Liberals. NDP waits for their decision then NDP follow's up. Well, Jack before you do any more damage to the Safty and Security of Canada and all of us Canadians, do us a favour!!! RESIGN. The guns that kills people are not the Register guns...Register Guns are just a waist of Tax payers money.

Steve
said

To all those complaining about Micheal Ignatieff whipping the vote. The only reason for this is because Harper is whipping the vote. Are you too partisan to see, the conservatives have riding's in urban areas where the public wants to keep the registry, but everyone of the cons are vote to scrap the registry. Harper is a dictator his MP's are not allowed to vote against this bill. Ignatieff is keeping the house a little more democratic by whipping the vote & he wouldn't have whipped it if Harper hadn't whipped it.


Bill Gibbons
said

CAM - please explain to me just what exactly has the LGR done to reduce gun-related crime in Canada? The answer is nothing. Not one single crime in Canada involving a firearm has been stopped by the LGR.

The LGR is, in effect, a placebo, a completely useless white elephant, conjured up by the Federal Liberals to enforce more gun control over law abiding citizens. And it is only part of their long term strategy towards banning all handguns in the country. After all, isn't it easier to take away registered and properly stored firearms from law abiding citizens than it is to hunt down dangerous criminals who carry illegal handguns anyway?


Peter in MB
said

I assume that most people who support the gun registry do not own a gun? @Paul Victoria As for Harper being a divisive force in our Country. C-68 has been Just that since it was created.(We can still have policies to go after the "bad" guys) Harpers government has tried to do this only to have the liberals and NDP water his crime bill down. The liberals only care about the voters in Ontario and Quebec and have alienated western Canada for many years. And finally what do you call Iggy and Jacks formal coalition with a party that wants to brake up Canada. So who is the real divisive force in our Country?


Jim in Ottawa
said

This is going to bode very poorly for those rural NDP MPs who have flipflopped. The Liberals are safe to vote to keep the registry since virtually all of their MPs are centred in Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal--they have no rural seats to lose and are not in a contest to win any. The Bloc does not represent Canada or Canadians so they are also safe to vote to keep the regristry. But the NDP may have just sacrificed their rural MPs to the wrath of the Tory election machine. If the Conservatives win a majority in the next federal election because of this issue, it will be Jack Layton who is going to have to bare the responsibility.


lc
said

Sure will be nice when we get a government who spends some time solving issues that concern the majority instead of wasting time on minority fringe groups or wedge issues where they think they can gain some political advantage..And yes gun owners you are the minority although one would never know it from the racket you make!The more you see this crew operate the more convinced you become that there is a hot-line from the PMO office to the whacky loons south of the border


Sammy
said

Most people don't realize that the majority of deaths by guns is with a long gun in rural areas. Of course LGR can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but it can prevent crime from happening, help solve crime & take guns from people that shouldn't own them. It's irrelevant what the street cops say, the police chiefs know the big picture & are better qualified to make important decisions. If I let my employees make the important decisions I'd go broke. They don't know the big picture same as the street cops. It disgusts me Harper whipping the vote on this soft on crime bill, but that's the anti-democratic way Harper tries to dictate to his MP's & the country. Is all Harper has to do is make this a confidence issue & he could have done that years ago. Harper doesn't want to get rid of the registry, because the registry is a cash cow for Harper. A few times a year he brings the issue up & the donations pour in, from gun nuts. It' only the blind sheep can't see this.


Edb(Hamilton)
said

The "chiefs" are a registered lobby group. They have received donations from the software company who developed and maintain the software used in the registry scheme. The collective Liberal psychosis has gone from funny to frightening on this issue. As far as Jack, one can only assume his failing health will not allow him to continue much longer and he's grasping for a legacy issue. To the likeminded souls out there I can only repeat...DON'T REGISTER YOUR GUN, REGISTER YOUR VOTE!!


Marcel NWO
said

I wonder how much it cost the government to debate this issue. Abolish this ridiculous law. Stop spending money. I live in northern Ontario and I do my best to be a law abiding person. The MP for this area can maket or break their job. We want MP who will represent the people of our area and not Toronto or Vancouver. Layton does not care about his MP and is willing to let them go down and forfeit their seat in government. We will see where this goes and if the local politician will go against the people in NWO -- so be it. Next election will not be easy for them as many will press for them to move to southern ontario or a large heavily populated part of Canada. We want people to represent us not come against us.


william
said

Does registering a car prevent crashes? In ANY way, shape or form, no matter how infinitesimal, does having a vehicle registered prevent crashes? No, of course it doesn't. What DOES it do then? It creates otherwise unnecessary work for gov't welfare workers. It is a make work project. Just like this gun registry. It will not prevent a SINGLE accident, and it hasn't. And that's the facts. As PieChart said, it is an ideological issue. Either you value your evolutionary/God Given & absolute rights, to privacy, self-defense, etc, or you are a sheep who thinks that the gov't grants you privileges, which it regulates, and you feel you need this in your life because you are not personally responsible enough to live your life without authority telling you how to behave. Are you a self-responsible, moral human, who automatically can tell the difference between right and wrong? Or are you a moral degenerate in need of authoritarian control? Make no assumptions for others - you do not have THAT right. You can NOT assume gun owners are potential criminals in need of regulation. Not unless you admit YOU are a potential criminal, with or without a gun, and you also need your "privileges" regulated. Which way do you want this reality and society to unfold? Personal responsibility and self-autonomy? Or moral degeneracy and authoritarian control structures? You can promote either one.


Paul
said

There will be a few rural NDP and Liberal MP's on the unemployment line. Listen to the people that put you there, not follow the buffalo over the cliff.


Gregoryd
said

Another Mp whipped in to vote for the NDP leader to save his riding. I am from her area and she won by a very small margin so I gues it is goodbye next election. It was the gun vote that barely put her in. I am a conservative but they are just playing games with this issue. They do not really want rid of it or they would of made it a confidence vote 2 years ago knowing the opposition would never go to an election. Instead they used it as a fundraising tool at the expense of the members of the party. I know as they call me everytime it comes up looking for money. They are not serious about this issue or they could of gotten rid of it years ago. If this vote goes down I will quit the conservative party post haste. Where are the outdoor organizaions? They need to organize if they really want rid of this.Everyone have a good day.


Jeff
said

No when the NDP and Liberals complain about government wastage, the conservatives can go back to them stating they support it with prime evidence being the gun registry. Mr. Layton and Iggy can never now complain about wastage within government again, and how they will clean it up


Crusty Rusty
said

Absolutely amazing how these chameleons change their colours so fast.


Josh
said

Anyone want to go to the polls right now?People say the gun registry "saves lives". I only have one question, how does a list of people that own guns LEGALLY save lives? Does it stop them from doing anything? No. Does it stop the criminals on the streets from using guns? No.Do you really think a criminal on the street is going to register his gun? Come on.I am sick of gun owners getting treated like criminals.By the way its a LONG GUN REGISTRY.


Goldens
said

Idiots! Another dissapointing day for Canada and lawabiding Canadians.


Steve in Manotick
said

Big Bad Bully John Baird what a piece of work this clown is.."Government House Leader John Baird conceded it seemed more likely the bill would die, and lashed out at NDP members who he said were "flip-flopping" their position due to "pressure from Toronto elites." He now calls the the people of Toronto "ELITISTS" What a way to alienate the voters.


RE: Cam
said

Cam, you are really that clueless?? First of all the term "Bleeding heart liberals" came to be from the fact that liberals are soft on crime. The PC's have been trying to change that by doing things like taking away 2 for 1 credit for time served for precustody criminals. Look it up.The liberals gave us 'childrens rights' bills which strengthened the young offender's program which in my view is responsible for the upcoming ruination of today's society.


Mark (Wellington County, ON)
said

Thank you Ms. Hughes for standing up for us rural Canadians who support the gun registry and the important tool it is for our police officers to keep us all safe. For only $4 million a year now, it holds gun owners accountable. Thank you for working to fix the flaws in the system, in a positive way, rather than taking up divisive politics like the Conservatives.


Jim in Ontario
said

It is strange that the Conservatives are likely hoping for a defeat here, so that the unpopular wasteful long gun registry can continue to be a good election issue. I am surprised the rural NDP MP's are willing to suffer election defeats over this.


stingray5
said

Well, my family thought we might have someone else to vote for, but apparently not. Looks we'll be voting CPC next election. I'll plan on getting my extended family to vote the same.


J.S.
said

What a shameful country we live in. We tolerate our elected representitives to be bullied into following the leader of their party. As a voter, my expectation is that my MP votes with the needs of their riding as the deciding factor. The entire liberal party are cowards who fear Micheal Ignatieff. And i will say the same of any member of any party who abandons their conscience to toe the party line. Shame.


kg1
said

these political parties do not speak for the majority of the citizens, they speak for the number of people who go to their meetings...most people have more important things to worry about then gun registry and would rather be working/spending time with family or going to meetings that will actually accomplish things. what i would like to know is why these mp's changed their minds (and i mean the real reason, not the reason they are saying to the media)


Gordon Fisher
said

I have never seen anyone address the issue of how secure our registration information is to protect us from thieves or other criminals accessing the registry for the purpose of theft. Many of the guns registered are very valuable and if the registry is accessed by police 11,000 time a day I worry about the confidentiality of my information


HMCJ
said

the police like it because they have the power to walk into anybodys residence who ownes a hand gun and search with out warrents or probable cause. Terrorists have more rights than honest, respectable hand gun owners. As for NDP, they are on any and every band wagon they can jump on. Canadians need a leader and there are none in active politics today.


Joe Szentirmay
said

I retract my previous comments concerning Mr. Layton.It looks like the NDP will continue to allow self interest groups to control the agenda in Canada and not the people.I don't think the NDP can afford to loose the seats that they certainly will over this issue.


Jimmy Bean, WPG, MB
said

I have lost ALL my confidence in the NDP party. This wishy-washy, go with the flow attitude being shown by more and more of these "leaders" is quite disturbing. I'm now voting for Mickey Mouse as PM. Kill the bill, and be done with it.


Paul Victoria
said

Harper is such a divisive force in our Country. He likes to divide people rather than unit. It's all about Harper and his ego. The Long Gun Registry should remain; it's now cost effective and saves lives. I don't see the hassle in registering the fact you have a gun. Let's make our society as safe as we possibly can. We can still have policies to go after the "bad" guys. As a "good" guy I'd be more than willing to register a gun.


Dan from Northern Ont
said

And... she just shot herself in the foot. She got in because people were mad about the Green Shift, but now the shoe's on the other foot and she's giving the riding a reason to send her packing.


George V.
said

I have never owned a gun, nor do I think I will ever need one, this is for more years that I care to admit. too, This gun registry is nothing more than a complete waste of the taxpayers money. The only reason the Liberals want to keep it in operation is because they implemented it in the first place, if it wasn't for the gun registry no one would ever know what they did or stood for when they were in power, except for the ad-scam. All the members of parliament that have changed their mind on the long gun registry and are representing a rural riding better take a good look around at their digs in Ottawa,they will be gone after the next election When visiting Ottawa they will only be there as a tourist, or lobbyist, Rural Canadians have long memories.


Scott ON
said

"All of the major Canadian policing organizations say the registry is helping front-line officers keep our communities safer and we need to give them the tools to succeed," ...... have they actually asked any of the officers themselves or merely questioned the political figures at the head of these organizations? The officers I've talked to say it's a useless tool because it's never kept up to date and that the real threat they face is from hand guns which are restricted anyways. Scrap it and get it over with


ed c
said

Joke Layton says that his MPs can vote as they wish..a free vote.Yes and pigs can fly!! NDP MPs will be voting as directed by Mr Layton and not according to their constituents wishes.Really dishonest...but what do you expect.


Ottawa South 4 Harper
said

NDP flip floppers- so much for conviction and the will of the people to eliminate this economic boondoggle saddled on the backs of taxpayers. Then again the NDP never did mind saddling the people with debt.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

The farcical Registry "debate" continues...as no federal government agency (including the RCMP), no provincial law enforcement agency, and no municipal law enforcement agency anywhere in Canada has shown, statistically, empirically, that the Registry makes Canadians significantly safer. Sure, it gets accessed plenty (because it is routinely run). Sure, the "Law Enforcement Lobby" cleverly states that it's a "useful" tool (because stating that it's a "demonstrably effective" tool would be beyond misleading and an outright lie). Common sense dictates that urban crime committed with stolen/smuggled handguns is more relevant. Common sense dictates that farmers and rural folk aren't a genuine threat to our safety. Common sense dictates that, like cars, weapons used in dangerous or criminal activity are often stolen and, thus, a registration solves no crime automatically. Support for the Registry, therefore, is purely political (partisan), philosophical and theoretical, not fact-based. Again, despite blabbering incessantly that the Registry "saves lives," NOBODY has been willing or able to illustrate and/or prove this assertion. It is hollow, and bespeaks an obvious foolish agenda. Ultimately, the Registry "issue" is a political I.Q. test that too many Canadians are failing. Unfortunate.


d_abes
said

Rumour has it a bunch of Liberals are going to call in sick as usual and not show up for the vote, so this NDP posturing is much ado about nothing. I guess it keeps Jack's name in the headlines on slow news days like today.


Darrell
said

Politically expediant and the end of the NDP in those ridings.


Very Dissappointed
said

Every issue is about politics and not about doing the right thing. Layton has said there will be a free vote by the NDP. Its a free vote as long as he wins. If not, its intimidate and coerce the members til they capitulate. Politics is about the politician, it is no longer about Canadians for Canadians.


Bill from Winnipeg
said

Ha HA HA HA Ha HA The Sky is falling.........we are all going to die.......help us fight the bad people......oh........hey......... wait a minute............... maybe it isn't............Seriously People...... are these REALLY who you want representing you?


Kevin
said

Hey Mr. Jack Layton, I have a Deal for you, next election you will see it


country farmer
said

Let's get to the bottom of this. I've been around long guns and pistols since I can remember. MP's are liars and ownly concerned about there own agendas. The boss says jump, they jump. It is not about what the people want, it's what the MP's can get. The browner the nose, the more status and better positions you will get. Every liberal MP is running scared of there leader. Brown nosers don't like sitting at the back, also pays not great either. So the MP's are just little yes people, to the big idiots upstairs.For a free democratic country we should move to France. At least they let the people have a voice.Good for France. Canada's government sucks no matter who is in power. We have to start confronting these MP's all the time. Make them sweat and force them to make our discissions not there's. POWER TO THE PEOPLE. We must act now. Yell loud make them listen. This goes for all issues. It time for the people to stand and grow back bones and memories. Time to say enough of the child like games.


Havelock Heavy
said

Wow, I'm glad these MPs are finally coming to their senses and will vote to do the right thing and not to appease a noisy minority.


0045
said

Bunch of traitors,You will all lose your ridings when election comes. This is not Democracy. What will happen when all of us Liberal and NDP supporter's switch sides. The conservatives will get a majority and you will be wishing you had listened to the people. I dont like Harper, but he sure is making more sense regarding this issue then anybody else. If only we could get him to smarten up on other issues.


Tom
said

I recently read that 85% of all police officers felt that the gun registry was a useless and a complete waste of money. Pretty soon we'll be having to fill out a form in triplicate to use the bloddy toilet.


Elias Nasrallah
said

NDP trying to get votes I guess! Ding Dongs just want to cause trouble. They don't care about the country and they don't care about the people of Canada. When are they going to learn that criminals will use guns! Registered or not! Remember the tragedy at Dawson college? The gunman had a REGISTERD weapon people! The gun registry does not work and its a waste of money. All those people the NDP promised to vote out the registry are going to feel it next election. Bring on an election! Bring on a Conservative Majority!


George Terry
said

Realistically the Long Gun registry other than generate specific jobs in important Liberal ridings does nothing to make Canada safer. The logic the police chiefs use is rediculous a couple very sick individuals used LONG guns which resulted in mutiple deaths as horrible as that was how or what did the registry do to prevent it or inform "Nothing" By that Logic shouldn't we have a Pig Farmer Registry i.e. R. Picton. Tax grap extrodinair by Gutless Politicians.


allan
said

This action by the NDP shows why they could never be given positions of responsibility in Canada. They vote against financial help for unemployed Canadians.They dont read federal budgets, then vote against themThey tried to undertake a coup with Libs/SeperatistsThey are, and will remain, a fringe party.


peter in mb
said

I would like for the liberals and NDP to give one example of how the gun registry make our streets safer. Anyone who does believe this has been lured into a false sense of security. And Harper is not making this a wedge issue he is trying to get rid of a wedge that has divide rule and urban Canada ever since it was created ten years ago.


RustyShackleford
said

I think these MPs are forgetting what the people that voted them in to office in their ridings were told while we were voting for them. I sincerely hope that people remember this once it comes time to re-elect these people again and make sure they don't get elected again. These representitives are supposed to voice the concerns of the "PEOPLE" in their riding....not what their own political agenda tells them to flop on that day.


John from Saskatoon
said

So much for grassroots and the voice of their constituents. These NDP MP's are only changing their votes because they don't like the Conservative govt. Nice on those Liberals who are changing their votes as well. Iggy whipping his caucus. And they say Harper's a dictator.


toby schmid
said

Well, Mr. Layton will now see fewer seats come next election. Hope it was worth it Jackie boy!


MissMB
said

Its not like the long gun registry is doing any good, there are still people being shot and criminals who want hand gun will still get them through the black market. It's just another cost to us and another dime in the feds pocket. long gun registry is a waste.


GHW
said

The vast majority of the police do not want the long gun registry. Only the politically motivated police chiefs who do not represent Joe Cop on the street want it. I dont quite understand what Ignatieff and Layton hope to gain by squashing this bill. Clearly its a waist of taxpayer money and with the high profile incredible effort the Conservatives put in trying to pass this bill, their supporters will not blame the Conservatives for its failure. If anything, the Conservatives should gain support from all this. Thanks Jack!


Brian Fr Langley
said

You City folks really don't get it. I mean you typically don't own firearms and so really can't grasp how intrusive this law is to our lives. Worse if you do get it you don't care. (it don't effect me Jack) Thats its about safety is a load of blather. Literally 1000's of more lives could be saved by spending the money on auto related issues. (but that would inconveniance city folk) You'll spend millions of useless dollars to make my life miserable (or me a criminal) and the bad guys will still terrorize you with their unregistered guns.


Jim - Regina
said

Shame on the Liberals and the NDP for throwing all of the so called gun issues on the Gun Registry. The tree hugging centralists like Iggy and Layton think that rural Canada is the land between Toronto and Montreal.They have no idea what farming, ranching and hunting are all about including the issues of the First Nations People. There is no doubt that the gun registry will aid the poilce when entering homes. It will not prevent crime. The laws, governments and courts have failed all of Canada on that point and now the tree huggers in the Liberal and NDP are trying to put a bandaid on a bleeding artery. The system needs to be changed and criminals must pay for their actions and not law abiding citizens. What about all of the suspended people driving cars that have lost their licences for drinking and driving and maybe have even killed someone? Where do Iggy and Layton stand on this? People die from impaired drivers every week, maybe every day and nothing is said because it isnt the cause of the day. What do they say to the families of victims killed by impaired drivers?The courts and laws need to be tougher. A person that commits a crime with a weapon such as a knife, baseball bat or gun should do hard time for a long time. The same should be said for people that kill or maime anyone recklessly. Make the criminals pay and leave the law abiding citizens alone.Jails should not have work out areas that make inmates stronger, faster. They should be rehabilitation centres and places that the punishment is losing their rights of freedom for doing the crime. Let your MP's vote independantly.


Stephen B
said

Liberals: We stand for nothing. We offer nothing. Not one gun crime has been solved by this registry.


JP
said

Do you people GET that there are a large number of citizens who do not want to register their guns? It doesn't matter about a majority. We're talking about RIGHTS here. The government does NOT change rights into privileges and then regulate said privileges. That is a disgusting concept. It is the Canadian gun OWNERS who should get the say in this, since it affects THEM. All the other armchair experts can butt out - because it does NOT affect you. Last year, 10 million guns in Canada killed ZERO people! You can NOT beat that stat for safety and the responsibility it displays in regards to Canadian gun owners. Owning a gun is NOT a criminal activity. It engenders personal responsibility, maturity, and respect for safety in all forms. Whether you are young and being taught to shoot by your Father, whether you are a newbie learning to shoot a hand gun for target practice or home defense, or a wife or girlfriend being brought out for a fun day at the range shooting with your man, or a woman teaching a friend or coworker the responsibility of firearms sports. Canadian gun owners have the final say in this. The majority can NOT take away the rights of the minority. The government can NOT make a watch list of law-abiding, responsible citizens. Law-abiding, responsible Canadians should NOT live in fear of confiscation of their costly investments, or the changes in regulations which do just that, which has already happened. Look at the Swiss...a gun in every home, PAID FOR by their government. We in Canada are obviously just as safe and responsible as the Swiss...unless you want to be bigoted and argue otherwise.


kkramar
said

Welcome to politics. The whole party follows the orders of the leader or they get voted out of caucus and out of their political career.


Bender
said

Time to start voting for independant candidates. This seems to be the only way to get the politicians to actually represent the wishes of thier constituents. If politicians are wondering why people have no faith in them, it's because of the blatant 'toe the party line' mentality. Personally, I'm sick of it. Since 'none of the above' isn't on the ballot, vote independant!


Brian Fr Langley
said

If the gun registry survives I for one will be extremely disapointed. Having said that one can only hope the NDPers and Liberals who flip flop will turfed in the next election.


Cam
said

It only makes sense to keep the registry, the police are pleading with MP's to keep the LGR because it's a useful valuable tool. Harper's soft on crime bill to scrap it will only make Canada a more dangerous place to live. Actually if Harper wanted to get rid of the LGR, he could have at any time in the last 4 years with a confidence motion. I think Harper never planned on scrapping the LGR, he used it as a political tool to pry money from his supporters. Every time the LGR issue came to the public's attention Harper sent out pamphlets asking for donations. Harper knew the gun nuts were a little short on the learnin & they'd send money, it's shameful he played his supporters like fools. Even now if Harper wanted to scrap the registry is all he has to do is make it a confidence motion, but he won't he's probably happy the registry won't be scrapped.


Slewhigh Yendick
said

Once again the NDP support apartheid in canada by having different laws for the natives...


Citizen
said

Wow who would have thought a used car salesman like Layton would manage to get his party members to flip flop on their promises to their constituents. These MP's got elected in part by promises on these issues. Is the NDP that supposed to represent their constituents. Aren't they the ones railing against special interests, which are the only ones who support this registry.It was supposed to cost 2 million when it was implemented, it now is nearly 2 BILLION. Gun crime is still on the rise, and this registry has done nothing. The police want it because they like having information available for non gun related crimes. This registry is a failure. Shame on Layton and shame on his MP's for failing in their promise to their constituents.


Gramma1
said

The NDP is the same as the Liberals on the fence off the fence no backbone at all. I have lost all confidence in Jack as a leader.


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