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NDP Leader Jack Layton appears on Power Play from CTV studios in Regina, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010. Pierre Poilievre, parliamentary secretary to the prime minister, speaks with the media about the gun registry in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)        Liberal House Leader David McGuinty speaks with the media about the gun registry outside the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, Sept 14, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  NDP Leader Jack Layton appears on Power Play from CTV studios in Regina, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010. NDP Leader Jack Layton appears on Power Play from CTV studios in Regina, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010.

Layton says NDP has enough votes to save gun registry

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CTV National News: Robert Fife on the bill kill
The long-gun registry's chances of survival are looking better after some NDP MPs changed their minds and decided they will support it. A Conservative private member's bill to kill the registry is in the parliamentary pipeline, but it looks as though there will be enough Liberal and NDP votes to permanently block it.
Power Play: NDP Leader Jack Layton
NDP Leader says he was able to bring a strong majority of his caucus over to support the gun registry and now the registry can be saved and fixed. The NDP are proposing a new bill that will address the problem of hand gun crimes in the city.
Power Play: Panel of MPs on the gun registry
Liberal MP David Mcguinty says there is no surprise that Jack Layton had enough MPs to save the registry. Meanwhile, Tory MP Candice Hoeppner is shocked by the amount of NDP MPs who are in support of the registry.

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NDP Leader Jack Layton appears on Power Play from CTV studios in Regina, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010. Pierre Poilievre, parliamentary secretary to the prime minister, speaks with the media about the gun registry in the foyer of the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)        Liberal House Leader David McGuinty speaks with the media about the gun registry outside the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, Sept 14, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  NDP Leader Jack Layton appears on Power Play from CTV studios in Regina, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010. NDP Leader Jack Layton appears on Power Play from CTV studios in Regina, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010.

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NDP Leader Jack Layton appears on Power Play from CTV studios in Regina, Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010.

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Date: Tue. Sep. 14 2010 10:08 PM ET

NDP Leader Jack Layton says the long-gun registry may not be done just yet. Layton said Tuesday enough of his MPs will vote against a private member's bill to scrap the registry that it may be saved.

Layton said Tuesday "a very strong majority" of the NDP's rural caucus has decided to vote against the bill during a vote in the House next Wednesday.

Tory MP Candice Hoeppner tabled the bill, which passed second reading with the support of 12 New Democrats and eight Liberals. The Bloc Quebecois says it will vote against the bill next week, and Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has ordered his caucus to do the same.

That puts the bill's fate in the hands of the NDP.

Layton had said his MPs can vote freely on private members' bills. As of Monday, four New Democrats who originally voted for Hoeppner's bill said they will vote against it next week.

Speaking to CTV's Power Play from the NDP caucus meeting in Regina, Layton would not reveal how many of his MPs he convinced to change their votes.

"My members have asked that they have the opportunity to make whatever announcement they have to make in their own ridings in their own way, because it's really from listening to their own constituents that they've arrived at this conclusion," Layton said. "And so you'll have to await those announcements over the days to come. But what I can tell you is that we now are very confident that that registry can be maintained and therefore fixed."

The NDP and the Liberals have proposed keeping and amending the registry to make it more palatable to rural voters, including decriminalizing first offences if they don't include other crimes, and respecting the treaty rights of First Nations people.

CTV News's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said Tuesday if Layton is sure he has enough of his members who support saving the long-gun registry then that's what should happen, unless some Liberal MPs who previously supported killing the registry are absent from the vote. However, Ignatieff has said he wants all members of his caucus in the House of Commons when the vote takes place.

Fife said this gives Conservatives ammunition for the next election campaign.

"What they want to be able to do in the next election campaign is to go into Liberal and NDP ridings and rural areas and say, ‘this member of Parliament, he said he wanted to kill the registry -- and he didn't do it,'" Fife told CTV News Channel. "And so from the Conservatives point of view, they think they can win seats in rural Canada as a result of the NDP and Liberal MPs who have changed their mind on the vote."

Fife reported later Tuesday that although the Conservatives, Liberals and the NDP hope to avoid a federal election this fall, a senior Conservative told him the party thinks it can win between 15 and 20 seats in rural ridings when Canadians next go to the polls. "And that could be the difference between a majority government," Fife said.

Tories deny ties to U.S. gun lobby

The news from the NDP camp came hours after the federal government was forced to deny Liberal accusations that it has ties to the U.S. gun lobby, including the powerful National Rifle Association.

"This friends, is typical of the arrogant intellectual contempt in which the Liberal party holds so many people, especially in rural Canada," Harper told supporters in Edwards, Ont., Tuesday night.

Harper was responding to charges from Liberal House Leader David McGuinty that the Tories are bowing to the U.S. gun lobby with their decision to scrap the long-gun registry. McGuinty also called on the Conservatives to come clean about any ties to the NRA.

In an address to reporters Tuesday, McGuinty offered no evidence that the NRA or other U.S. gun lobby groups have had direct influence over Tory policy. He only referred to recent media reports that suggest the NRA has been providing advice to Canadian firearms groups for their lobbying efforts against the long-gun registry.

McGuinty also cited a 2006 forum co-hosted by Tory MP Garry Breitkreuz that featured the head of the NRA as a keynote speaker.

But he said the Liberals want to get out the message that "the National Rifle Association, its members and its leadership, should butt out of Canada's gun registry debate.

"Canadians should be very concerned about the influence of the largest and most controversial U.S. lobby group on our gun registry debate," McGuinty said. "This is a government that is choosing to listen to a powerful foreign influence over our own police, our victim's groups, our medical experts (and) in fact, the majority of Canadians when it comes to gun control in this country."

After McGuinty repeated his charges during an interview on Power Play, Hoeppner called the allegations "another example of Liberal misinformation and nonsense.

"And the supporters of the Liberals and the long-gun registry keep spewing this kind of stuff into the public. The fact is they have no argument left to support their billion-dollar boondoggle, and so they put forward complete untruths and misinformation."

Hoeppner said Breitkreuz did not organize the forum at which the head of the NRA spoke. He was invited along with all members of the rural caucus, she said.

During his speech Tuesday, Harper vowed that his government "is not going to rest until that long gun registry is abolished."

In an effort to sway votes, the Conservatives launched a publicity campaign Monday aimed at the ridings of the New Democrats and the Liberals who originally supported the bill. The campaign includes radio and billboard ads that urge constituents to pressure their MP to vote to scrap the registry.

With files from The Canadian Press

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old timer toronto
said

Scrap it and let it go!! - Why is it needed? If you purchase a gun, you must have a Firearms Acquisition Certificate from the Federal Government. Not an easy thing to obtain as you must have background checks and submit multiple legal documents. Plus it is not free and must be renewed every few years. In order to possess, own or sell a firearm, one must have this certificate. When a firearm is bought or sold or traded....the make model and serial number are required and this information is recorded by the feds. So why do we need a Second registry that does nothing but waste money and make honest hunters and farmers look like criminals. Come on folks get rid of the registry and use the information from the Firearms Acquisition Certificate. The registry was originally designed as a job creation program after a previous liberal government needed a way to shift blame when they stopped inspecting firearms dealers and procuring their sales reports (laid off inspectors)If anyone has been around long enough in this debate they would remember how it used to work....and we had far less gun crime. I was an avid hunter when I was younger and really enjoyed my time in the outdoors. Since the gun registry came along....I feel like a criminal and have put away my guns for good.


Bruce from Alberta
said

I really need to learn how to steal back the money the government is stealing from me to fund these programs.


Jack
said

We register our cars, why not our guns some ask?Maybe you should ask, Why do we register our cars? One reason: because if we didn't the government couldn't collect tax when we transfer ownership.Registering cars does not help police solve car related crimes.Registering cars does not stop car theft.Registering cars does does not stop drunk driving.Registering cars does not stop speeding through school zones.Registering cars has not stopped criminals from using them to haul their loot from their crimes.]Also, If someone steals a car and kills someone, the owner is not charged with unsafe storage. Allowing your car registration to expire is not a criminal offense.A list on some computer of who owns what car does not stop speeding, reckless driving, drunk driving, etc, etc...Why do we feel that having a list of who owns what guns will have a different result than car registration? Why go down the same road? Is this so the government can tax gun owners for ownership transfer?How does a list on a computer on one side of the country stop crimes at the other side of the country when the police are not even present?


Alexandria
said

I can't believe that some Canadians think the NRA is telling the Conservatives what to do with the Gun Registry. If you believe that I have swamp land in Florida I will sell you cheap.I always thought Canadians were smarter than that..Get Rid of the damn registry and spend the money saved on more Police officers and new prisons


trunorth
said

Wow! Such a plethora of misinformation--fueled by the Liberals, the NDP, the police chiefs, the media, and those who really don't know what they are talking about and don't care to learn!


Tony , Black Creek, BC
said

I suspect that the current actual real costs of the registry are being spread around into other budgets by the same politicos in upper law enforcement that lie about the usefulness of this registry. I want to know the real actual total costs or this program including the implementation costs related to each of the millions of access actions reportedly taken by the police. I think you would have to be extremely stupid to believe this thing is run on 4 million a year. That kind of money buys at most 16 employees with desks, software, building maintenance etc.. Smells like dead fish to me.


Jeff S.
said

These 12 NDP and 8 LIberal flip-floppers are spineless to back down from principle and what their constituents want.And they're going to pay for it in the next election.


warren
said

Typical NDP move never pick an issue where you may have to make a stand always straddle fence and when you do make decision its wrong shouldn't even be a party


Malcolm MacKenzie
said

Please enforce the laws we have pertaining to gun crimes and leave the hunters and farmers alone.I personally know quite a few gun criminals according to the legal definition. Unfortunately most of them are very old ladies with their husbands guns still sitting where he left them when he died a long time ago. And yes they are not registered so we should spend our taxpaying money to to convict and incarcerate all those senior criminals.


DC in AB
said

As the saying goes, "It is better to remain quiet and look stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" Unfortunately, Mr. Ignatieff has opened his removed all doubt hundreds of times.The Liberals are grasping at straws with this NRA comment. Reminds me of that old Big Sugar song. Thank you Mr. Ignatieff for ensuring that the Cons will win a majority in the next election... thank you so much. I REALLY hope some of your caucus who wanted to vote to repeal the registry walk across the floor!


bg
said

Looks like the NDP will lose a bunch of seats to the conservatives over this one, as will the libs. Maybe we'll finally have a majority and get back to business in this country. Wouldn't that be a change!


whrctoddy
said

Once again the liberals are willing to sacrifice rural Canada to please urban Canada. I'm from the Annapolis valley and I will never vote for the liberal party again.


Alex
said

"Mike
The registry shouldn't even be an issue, if the police say it's a useful tool, then it's a useful tool that should be kept for the safety of Canadians. It cost less than a dollar every time they use it, that's a bargain. The street cops that oppose the decision are no different than employees in a company. The people at the top know the full picture & make decisions based on that. If I let the help make decisions in my company, I'd go broke. This conservative soft on crime bill needs to be defeated & the registry needs to stay. The NRA should keep their opinion to themselves. It's seems Harper so much wants Canada to mirror the US, we don't need the crime rate they have down there, Steve.


Max
The cons are denying it, so it must be true. The registry doesn't actually cost that much, if you calculate the amount of times it's used & the cost, it costs less than a dollar every times it's used. It's a bargain. Street cops are the same as employees of a company. The people that run the company know the big picture, so they know what's good for the company. Same goes for the police chiefs, they have the big picture so they have the info to make the right decisions, the street cops or employees only know the little picture so their opinion is uninformed & useless. The police chiefs say it's a useful tool that saves lives, so we need to believe them & keep the registry."

Well looks like the Liberalites are at it again, can't just post one comment, have to post two and pretend to be different people to get their point across...




Greg
said

@Stu from London
what planet are you from? no one is trying to take my gun NO ONE you claim thats a proven Lying left wing fascists lie

the NDP said
"it's time to end the ownership of handguns in this country"
the green coats said
“the more that we restrict access to handguns, long guns, the better.”
and The lieberals said
"No one needs (semi-automatic) weapons, and we would all be safer without them in Canada"

For a country where no one is trying to confiscate civilian firearms there is certainly ALLOT of evidence to the opposite

Soooo IF your not planning to confiscate MY semi auto firearms... why would you wanna know if i have them and how many i have?


Bernadette
said

Jack Layton proves again that he is forming the Coalition with the Liberals and Bloc. The guns that kills people are not the register guns. I was not expecting any common since coming from the NDP/Socialist-Communist Party. It is just a waist of tax payers money. It is time for you to resign, Jack, before you cause more problems to Canadians tax money and the safety and security of all of us and our Country, "Canada"


Kojak
said

I like how the majority say the gun registry is a waste of taxpayers money, yet who voted Conservative? Liberals had a SURPLUS when in power, Conservatives have OUR Country in the highest deficit on RECORD, and the moment the liberals apply the use of common sense and good decision making, they are dismissed as the fools. Well I will continue to watch the Country go to hell in a handbasket and when the **** hits the fan, I will say: I told you so.


slate
said

Thing is Harper does NOT want the long gun registry canned because he likes to use it as a channel changer and a wedge issue and a issue with which to whip up his supporters.If Harper wanted it gone it would be a government bill and not a private members bill and it would be a confidence vote and the CPC members would be whipped to vote to cancel the long gun registry under pain of caucus dismissal.Harper lacks the honesty, integrity, & intestinal fortitude to make it a government bill with a whipped vote and confidence attached. Translation Harper is either a weasel or a coward or both


Gregory
said

Just for the sake of this post I own gun A... Gun A is stolen from me reported to the police Who now have a record of the theft & a record of the fire arm itself in their system 3 times now First: When any gun is purchased it is Registered from the place of sale with the Government as to who the owner is. That's how it used to be & still is. Second: When it's registered in the useless registry system... Third: Again now by the Police now having it in their system as a stolen firearm. Gun A is used in a gun crime shots are fired & someone is killed. How is the gun registry helping so far? oh wait it's not. Forensic tests get a bullet & by some remote chance that GunA is recovered & matched to the crime Well The police now know who Gun A belongs to & that it's a stolen weapon from their records. The registraion program really isn't much of a boone to the investigation as these are facts already available. Forensic evidence & the fact I have already reported the gun stolen negate the use of the registration program making the registry as a tool a moot point see where this is heading?? If gun owner follows the Rules & registration laws ALREADY in place Even if a gun owner is irresponcible & fails to use the gun registration program for their firearm ... It's ALREADY registered at the point of purchase & the police can easliy find that information during their investigation. You have to admit the gun registration program is useless in any portion of a police investigation. They are compariing Apples to Elephants & trying to make you believe they are related. Fact: Gun registration can not nor will not prevent gun crimes. due to this one simple truth Criminals that USE firearms in a crime don't care if a gun is registered or not. It's just that simple. When introduced The Government PROMISED if the costs reached 5 Million it would be scrapped!! 2 BILLION plus later & a still flawed & non functioning registery system. The Government also promised there would be NO 3rd party handling of any person information Well we have seen how well that worked haven't we? It's time to end this waste of time & money and be done with it.


Kim
said

@ Nathan I happy you can see that whipping the vote is not very democratic, but your ragging on the liberals. They hasn't been a vote in the house of commons that wasn't whipped by Steven Harper. If Harper wasn't whipping the vote, there would be no need for the liberals to whip the vote & Harper's soft on crime bill would be tossed.


Jamie, Ottawa
said

It's a sad statement about the politics of Canada how when the Conservatives come to realize that they've lost they resort to name calling.It's good to see a revived Liberal party giving the Conservatives a taste of their own medicine.


Sheldon
said

Ah yes the Canadian Gun Registry. I have read the true usage of what the registry was used for, and is very disturbing. One story about a person involved in harassment, a quick check of the database discovered he had a rifle registered. The rifle was seized. I wonder why they did not check to see if he had a vehicle registered in his name and seize it too? I have seen more news about people using vehicles to injure others. As for the someone getting shot in the face and nothing was done because the rifle was not registered, is hog wash. If that was the case then no one would register the weapon!All the registry does is provides a reference point, which I would not rely on with my life. You are asking someone to be honest and report everything. One police officer reported the registry is great, and gave reference to a case where the guns where found on location and thanks to the registry they were able to trace to the murderer. The only reason the person was caught was because he left the gun onsite? It had nothing to do with the fact that he was a former employee, and the witnesses could ID him, money well spent... not really!For those government officials that are for the registry, I wonder what their hidden agenda is? who is behind their push to keep it? My opinion, either scrap the registry (I have no affiliation with the NRA, nor to I own a gun) or implement a proper registry, one that not only has firearm registered, but the bullet as well. Now that would be useful to police.


Mark O
said

The gun nuts seem to be in a bit of a tiffy, looks they lost this one, the registry does save lives, it's also a great tool for solving crimes. Our tax dollars couldn't be spent more wisely, you can't find a better deal, it costs under a dollar every time they use it. Harper spent over a billion on security for the 3 day, fake lake G nothing happened meetings & that sure didn't reduce crime, but the gun registry does. My brother in-law was a police officer, he swears by it, said it saved his hide a few times. Defeating the conservatives soft on crime bill is exceptionally good new. All law abiding citizens should be happy to register their weapons, it's their duty to make Canada a safer place. Your car is registered isn't it? It's silly to even think of getting rid of it. It the conservatives didn't have a whipped vote, the registry never would have been in jeopardy of being scrapped.


roy
said

Well Jack you better plan for the retirement party for your lost MP's


Albertaboy111
said

I'll support your right to own a gun without telling the government as soon as you support my right to smoke and own a plant that grows in the dirt without being thrown in prison. Deal?


Jimmy Bean, MB
said

Hmm... I wonder what the $1 Billion of Registration Program money the Liberal Party has very generously wasted would look like had they used it for something that actually did something. Equip our officers with the right tools and more manpower... I think that MIGHT have been the start. What's that saying about hindsight?...


Junior Genius
said

The NDP are always on the fence. This was their last chance at being able to make considerable gains in the west. Western separation is just over the horizon anyways, and it won't be over guns, but over uranium and oil.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Blah. Blah. Blah. Amidst the swirling political hot air, the pertinent FACT remains: The Registry has not be shown (by any government body, or law enforcement agency at the federal, provincial, or municipal level) to make Canadians significantly safer. Undeniable. Indisputable. Inescapable. No real, genuine, non-partisan "debate" exists. (A fat basket of Liberal and NDP MPs are already on record supporting the Registry's abolishment, and hypocritical "dictator" Michael Ignatieff is now whipping his untrustworthy party for the upcoming vote.) Everybody has a political agenda, including the "Law Enforcement Lobby," in the defense of what cannot be represented as being an effective and worthy tool. (Instead, law enforcement windbags at the top of the tower, while carefully avoiding relevant supportive statistical information, because none exists, cleverly refer to it as a "useful" tool.) Support for the Registry is either purely political and partisan, philosophical, and/or theoretical; it is not fact-based. Watching so many folks fail a basic political I.Q. test is disconcerting and disheartening. Quit ignoring the most important question surrounding the "debate," people. Or, if you wish, continue playing the silly game ("Let's Get Harper!") being played out on Parliament Hill. The "saving" of the Registry is a "victory" for everybody but intelligent Canadians.


MARG MM
said

To the urban voters that are for keeping the long gun registry, isn't it so that the crimes that occur in major cities are NOT commited by long guns, or for that matter licenced guns? I do not think for one minute that scrapping the long gun registry will stop the gun violence that plagues our cities. The gangs will still exist, and the illegal guns will still be used. If the gun registry survives, urban voters should not be lulled into a false sense of security, thinking that they will somehow be safer. I happen to live in an urban center that has gang violence and innocent people have been killed. I think that the money that would be saved on scrapping the registry, could be better spent on more policing and getting rid of the criminal violence. Just for the record, I am not a paid "conbot" (whatever that even is), just someone who has an independant mind, and I really don't see how having a long gun registry will make any difference in stopping the violence that our cities endure on an almost daily basis.


Raymond
said

Ha! These people want only the police and the military to have firearms, yet readily accuse Harper of creating a 'police state'. Amazing.


MindYouNow
said

"Jim" said, in part:" I don't like Harper's agenda to make Canada the same as the US..."Uh, Jim, the non-existence of a gun registry was in play long before Harper showed. The real agenda is for a bunch of pencil necks to turn us all into soccer moms.


Dan
said

When Obama got elected the cries of joy could be heard all over Liberal Land. They had nothing bad to say about this great American President who was going to save the world. Now it seems they're back to their old habit of trashing anything or anyone American who don't hold the same views as them. Nothing ever changes in Canada


Dan
said

Liberals only allow free speech or freedom of association as long as you are speaking or associating with someone they agree with. Otherwise you are simply a knuckle dragging neaderthal "neo con" (which always seems to be said like you're saying the word Nazi). There is no such thing as charter rights here in Canada unless you are a supporter of Canada's Natural Rruling Party.


Tim from Calgary
said

Hooray for making criminals out of law abiding without forcing criminals to register their weapons before committing a crime. Funny how lefties exaggerate and complaint about Harper turning Canada into a police state while at the same time supporting a tool like the gun registry that a police state uses. Goes to show you how the left thinks. Remember Germany set up a gun registry when they came to power in the 1930's.


Graham
said

David McGuinty would not comment on whether or not all Liberal MP's would be present for the vote. Do you not think Layton is aware of that? He is simply trying to deflect attention and more importantly BLAME should the registry die due to Liberal MP not showing up onto the Libs. Why else would he make this statement 8 days before the vote?


Matt
said

There are still 2 NDP who have not declared which way they will vote. If they side with the government, the registry DIES 153 - 151.


Ian
said

In typical Liberal fashion they throw around baseless accusations to simply muddy the waters and deflect people away from the real issue. Just like Dalton McGuinty and his "Tories have a hidden agenda" claims.


W.James
said

Well, its funny how all the votes are now changing since other parties cant hold the NDP MP's to account in their ridings since they cancelled the 10% mailing deal which enabled the parties to keep them to their word. Hopefully, some of them get punted for breaking their word!


Denis
said

An unofficial survey on MSN has 1750 people voting 65% in favour of scrapping the registery. I wonder if the margin of error is greaster then 15% !


Mark
said

I can't believe we are still wasting air and tax dollars on this registry. I registered my guns but guess what the gang shootings hear in Calgary oddly enough happen with unregistered weapons. WOW! Shocking I know, criminals don't register their weapons and don't use Long Guns. they use hand guns which you've had to register forever in Canada or worse automatic weapons. Again the shocking part they are not registered. Let this thing die and use the air time and money on real issues and real problems. F!


farmer fred
said

If the Conservatives wanted this registry scrapped all they had to do was put forward a government motion and make it a question of confidence. They haven't which means they are trying to play us rural Canadians as fools. We are not. Thank you Jack Latyon for finding the traditional Canadain compromise that respects rural Canadians, but also takes action on public saftey.


RCR
said

@Max"the street cops and employees only know the little picture so their opinion is uninformed and useless" This inane statement by you proves you've never been a cop or have even known one personally. Police Chiefs rarely get out on the street where the action is and yes at one time they likely were so why does that make their opinion any more plausibe than the person on the front line. I'm sure there is not one officer going to investigate even a domestic dispute would trust his life to the gun registry. My brother was a police officer and he said that he always took every precaution when approaching that type of situation. The OPP officer that was shot and killed in South Western Ontario, approached a vehicle and was shot by the driver and I believe the story told us that the rifle was registered. So the LGR will save lives....HOW??


John from B.C.
said

To Samual- What garbage are you peddling here- Were there not 12 N.D.P and 8 Liberal vote`s that helped it to pass the second reading? Tel me again, who? is pushing who? to vote different .And who is he? that tell the 8 M.P. that they now must vote different. Have your opinion on the bill as you like , but save us from your trash please.


Margie
said

@ Jim Kane: The $4 Mil figure is totally inaccurate. The Firearms Registry employs approx 250 people. Do the math! These federal employees hardly work for $16,000/yr! Any police officer, who would rely solely on the long gun registry, for his/her safety and the safety of the community they are sworn to protect should be strongly encouraged to seek other employment. The firearms registry is useless but costly and it must be scraped.


Nathan
said

Michael Ignatieff is an undemocratic rat! There is no justificaton for using such harsh and heavy handed discipline for whipping hi caucus and forcing them to vote what he wants. These MP's are suppose to represent their constituents!!


Richard L. Provencher
said

Why doesn't Mr. Layton come clean and stop playing both sides of the fence? He obviously convinced his "free voting" MP's to vote his way and that is to vote down the registry. Mr. Layton the voters in rural areas will have the last say, and I hope your party pays a heavy price for this kind of gamesmanship. At least the Conservatives and Liberals are straightforward with their intentions. But then, the NDP has the reputation of waffling all over the kitchen sink, when issues or budgets are being voted on.


sdgreen
said

The NDP and Liberals always like to keep silly programs. The Long Gun Registry does nothing. Tax money spent on that should be used to curb handguns.


Chris
said

RE: Nick in Gatineau.

Do you think a registry would stop people from accidently shooting others, or stop your neighbour from shooting?
A registry is not going to stop most people from owning a rifle, if they want one, they will jump through the hoops to get one. It certainly will not make people handle firearms in a smarter manner.
Face the facts....the majority of Canadians do not want this bill...its a waste of resources, which could be put to better use elsewhere. Better screening of individuals wanting to own weapons would be far more effective than a registry. I legally own firearms, and when I apllied for my PAL, none of my references were called, my spouse was not called....What are they doing in the firearms center???


Richard in Ontario
said

Can those that are happy that the Gun Registry is going to be continued please explain how in the name of all that's right is this going to save lives.I have even read a post by someone who claimed that the majority of murders were done by long guns. Now that's a lot of hooey at best. I'm sure all the shootings in TO are not by rifles. This is a face saving work by the Liberal because it has cost the taxpayers a Billion plus with no way of knowing what the benefits are. I look forward to the MP's that lose their seats in the next election whining about it. I'm sure they'll discover that to please their master in parliament, they went against their real master, the voters in their ridings. Too bad most of them will still be entitled to the gold plated pensions. I'm sure they have taken that into consideration before changing their minds.


Sam
said

Three of my children, a son, a daughter, and a son-in-law are in the police forces of two major cities. I want them to come home safely every day. But I know, as they know that this useless registry is doing nothing to make it so. Scrap the stupid thing!! Stop excusing criminal behaviour and let's get back to the old-fashioned idea that we are responsible for our own behaviour. This includes politicians and the media, aided and abetted by special interest groups who torque things to the extreme to gain a measure of power over the ignorant masses. Well maybe we aren't as ignorant as you think us to be.


Not buying it at all
said

OK to all the morons going on about the GR go try to get a hand gun perment good luck with that.It's the blackmarket hand guns from the USA that are the problem morons! not long guns.As for the opp and rcmp they are blowing smoke. the beat cops have ZERO use for it. ask the next cop you see on the street not the desk cop looking to be a lib/NDP MP one day.


Common sense MUST prevail.
said

Canada simply does not NEED nor can afford a costly long gun registry. Criminals and those in the heat of passion won't be deterred by the registry. It's just too costly for the direct benefits derived from it by those who use it. Its a waste of our money. Canadian politicians need to start saving us money and cut back on needless programs and start paying down the national debt. We also need sunset laws on all expenditure programs so they get reviewed not just renewed over and over again wasting our money, the Liberals did that for years introducing more and more programs without ever stopping to figure out if we could afford it. Time these Tories changed the pattern NOW.


Rob
said

How about we let each province run their own gun registry, and if they want it they can pay for it. Canada is famous for wasting tax payers money and we are getting sick and tired of it. Better yet let the people vote on these bills not these idiots. When was the last time you saw these thugs lined up to register their guns. They love to inforce garbage like this on law obeying people of Canada but don't go after these thugs, they catch them and then they let them back out. Canadians are stupid to let this keep happening.


odddmelee
said

bull crap you did not get my vote and do not know of anyone who you got to vote to save the gun registry ---liberals have no right to push for this you are not the government


Al Coholic
said

This is great news! Thank Jack for standing up for Canadians. Now that the registry will be kept we should add a few things to gun ownership, anyone that owns a gun should have a physiological examination, anyone who has had a history of violence or an impaired driving charge shouldn't be allowed to own a gun, because they have proven they are not mentally responsible. Tough on guns is good, I had relatives killed by long guns, they were farmers & hunters. More regulation is needed not less, look how many people die every year in the US because of their weak laws.


allan
said

It would be of no surprise to me if the governments bill is defeated, because, after all, the NDP, Libs, Seperatists have a signed coalition agreement.The coalition of the stupid is alive and well!


Elizabeth, Ontario
said

The long gun registry needs to be scraped. When the Liberals, NDP, police chiefs, medical association members, etc. can insure criminals are registering their firearms then all of Canada can come together and support a gun registry. Until that happens it is a blatant waste of tax dollars which could be better spent on real crime prevention measures, hiring additional police,etc. The present long gun registry does nothing to protect police; does nothing to promote public safety; makes law abiding citizens potential criminals and is a HUGE waste of money. Wake up people and scrap the long gun registry boondoggle now!


10-78
said

The long gun registry is a feel good law that does nothing to protect us. I don't care what the police chiefs and associations say, real, every day cops do not use it. I have a greater fear of being killed at work by a three time convicted drunk driver who is out with time served then a farmer who owns a .22 rifle for protecting his live stock. I would like reporters and especially the LIBERALS to ask REAL working cops what THEY think.


miigs
said

I always thought Layton and the NDP were opposed to the gun registry.


Abdula in Gatineau
said

Maybe he can reconvert one time supporter of the registry Stephen Harper. Prime Minister Harper initially supported the long gun Registry. As a Calgary MP, Harper voted for Bill C-68 (twice) But in a third vote in June 1995, he voted against the bill.. In the 2002 leadership race for the Canadian Alliance leadership, Stockwell Day pointed out Harpers initial votes and suggested he should have voted with the party. Harper cares for one thing and one thing only the votes, to keep him in power. If he had some real moral objection to the long gun registry he would have never voted for it. I have no trust in a leader that puts votes above principles. At least Layton isn't afraid to take a stand on an unpopular issue. Also letting his members vote as they want is respectable I doubt Harper will do that. He knows the Party that votes together stays in power and that is all that matters to heck with principles.


Down with the NDP
said

Well Jack (from Toronto) you may have enough votes to save the registry but..... you won't have enough votes to save your lame duck MP's that you have left out in the cold. Rural Canada will make you and your coalition partner pay the next election. Lets call an election now!


Winnie
said

Is this a coalition of NDP and Liberals again, only more sneaky?


lr
said

The foolishness of the support for an ineffective gun registry shows who the fools supporting it are. The silver cloud, if the registry remains, is that voters will answer with a majority conservative government. Seems to me we win either way; just might take a little longer.


Wendy
said

Sweet. Good work Jack Canada thanks you, the NRA can go back home. Harper's used this issue as a tool to build conservative fortunes for four years. You can bet if you tell a gun nut your going to get rid of the registry, they're going to send you all the money you want.


Acroyear
said

I'm not an armed officer, I'm a tech, but I work with police on a daily basis and I go to areas with known criminals all the time. I have never ONCE checked the registry... I assume every person, at every place where I have to go do my thing is armed to the teeth... it's the only safe way to proceed. The only use I've seen the registry put too is when a stolen firearm is found, who originally owed it... period. The registry makes criminals out of my friends and neighbors who simple enjoy hunting or even nothing more than going targeting shooting with their family at the gun club. It's time to put it away and start dealing with some real issues, like a ballooning debt and a looming health care crisis.


Tim
said

Yahoooooo! Thank you Jack for making Canada a safer place to live. I don't think Steve ever wanted or expected it would be scrapped, Steve used it as a political tool to build the fortunes of the conservative party. Every time the issue was in the news, Harper sent out pamphlets asking for donations, of course the guns nuts went him money, way to play your supporters like fools Steve.


Jim McB
said

The Liberals assisted by their left lib media pals have hit a new all time low in desperation tactics.McGuinty made sweeping generalizations because he knows that when he tells generic lies the media will pick them up and he won't get sued. He still comes out as someone estranged to the truth.The Liberals are fighting to keep trash policy in place that they brought in at great expense. They have no new vision or policy and are trying to hang on to the last symbols of their failed policy aided by city dwellers who have been duped into believing that this thing is of value. If the NDP supports their position look for new Conservative seats at their expense and an election sooner than they would like!


Rab
said

The opposition by Canadian citizens, both urban and rural, to the onerous Firearms Act is completely homegrown. It is Canadians acting on their own, and in their own best interest. It requires no "influence" or "help" from any organization. Many Canadians believe in their inalienable right to defend their lives and their loved ones from violence. The members of the NRA seem to believe the same thing, but that's where the "influence" ends. The NRA's own constitution prohibits it from any actions outside the USA. But it's so much easier to blame a foreign hobgoblin that face the fact that Canadians want their rights and liberties, too. Perhaps this is a good time to mention the huge cash donations the gun-control lobby zealots have received from US sources such as the far-left Soros, the Brady bunch, and IANSA, which seeks to have all good citizens defenceless.


MP in Waterloo
said

McGuinty says the police and doctors etc say the the registry "saves lives"...really? Its been in place for 10 years. Why don't you name one!


Jim
said

To use a relevant expression...talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Just as the momentum is starting to shift against eliminating the long-gun registry, they have to toss the ridiculous conspiracy theory out there. I for one believe it will cost them votes in Parliment because it is so blatant. They have no genuine proof, and the circumstantial proof is months old, so leaving it to "the last minute" is pathetic. I am a Liberal supporter, and I am disappointed by this.


Gregoryd
said

wow now another conspiracy theory from the liberals. I used to be a liberal and always thought they were a party of integrity. However the liberal party seems to have gone in a different direction. I beleive most Canadians are not really party loyal and in fact are just looking for good government. So if the liberals want to get back into power they need to offer something canadians want and they just are not doing this. These foolish attacks do them no good and they need to get some advisers on staff who are more in touch with canadians. This also goes for the Conservatives and NDP as well. Althought I think the NDP have always kept a consistent message related to their political roots, although they lean too far from centre in the political spectrum. That said;they are at least consistent in their message. Politicians of all parties need to stop all the foolish spin and partisanship and get to work doing what their constituents put them in there to do. I have to wonder if they really think Canadians are that stupid to believe all this nonsensical spin no matter what the issue is. Wake up politicians, we do not want american stylye politics in this country.


Nick in Gatineau
said

I watched as a friend lay in a hospital bed after being 'accidentally' shot in the head by a hunter. The rifle was never registered and the hunter got away with absolutely nothing. With the registry, that Hunter would have at least had his rifle taken away and possibly jail time - which is what he deserved.Personally, I can't even count the amount of times bullets whizzed by my head because a Judge was shooting squirels in his backyard - not realizing that when he missed, they (bullets)travelled accross our property. When I complained, the cops simply told the judge to register his rifle. So be negligent, possibly kill someone but refuse to take any responsibility for your actions ? Ban ALL GUNS


notapsycho
said

What infuriates me with the whole long gun registry bit is the fact that Canadians don't have a US 'gun culture', we are generally a caring society and the majority of firearm related problems are related to criminal activity. The reason for the registration was completely political and does nothing to prevent a gangster from picking up a 'midnight special' and using it. We don't have the right to bear arms, we don't have the right to carry a firearm for protection against people and we have had a handgun registry for 50 years that has always worked very well. Education on gun safety is a good thing and will continue without a registry. I choose to hunt and target shoot because I enjoy it, not because I am a borderline psycho who needs to be registered. The amount of time, money and resources spent on this issue could have been applied to fighting crime, gangs and illegal firearms and we would, perhaps, have achieved the goal of reducing gun violence. Being complacent on this issue by saying that I disagree but it is not a big deal is not the way to go; Canadians should be proud of our culture and our traditions and tell the politicians that we want action on criminals and not restrictions/regulation on our recreation. I believe the support of the registry gives the politicians a ‘pat on the back’ for doing something about a crime but in reality we should be giving them a kick in the pants for doing nothing!


Jim Kane
said

What I find incredulous is the fact that many Canadians believe the Conservative Spin about the Costs of the Long Gun Registry now. It has been significantly reduced since start up, and now operates on about $4 million a year. The RCMP and Police Chiefs state in their reports that it saves lives. I support the Police, and I will support the long gun registry!!


bryan f
said

McGuinty liberal fear mongoring at its best ,runs in the family.Oh sorry got that wrong his brother just screws the taxpayers of ontario.


Max
said

The cons are denying it, so it must be true. The registry doesn't actually cost that much, if you calculate the amount of times it's used & the cost, it costs less than a dollar every times it's used. It's a bargain. Street cops are the same as employees of a company. The people that run the company know the big picture, so they know what's good for the company. Same goes for the police chiefs, they have the big picture so they have the info to make the right decisions, the street cops or employees only know the little picture so their opinion is uninformed & useless. The police chiefs say it's a useful tool that saves lives, so we need to believe them & keep the registry.


Allan Werden
said

It is amazing how much hysteria can be caused by a little innuendo from the Liberals. Why do people automatically assume McGuinty's accusation is true?


Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
said

The gun registry has been exposed as the costly penalty for law-abiding hunters and other sportsmen that it is. Also the rural population who may have to use long-guns as self-defense from predators of the animal and human variety have exposed the registry for its real excesses.But when you involve a downright flakey American lobby group wading in then the waters get muddy in a hurry. The current governing party suddenly can be made to seem not only extreme on the issue of guns but on others as well.How do you keep your right-wing base without alienating the moderates in urban centres you need to win a majority government? Harper has thus far found it impossible which given his own background in far right lobby groups is not surprising.


Ross
said

I like Amar's idea of an addtional hand gun registry. Especially, if we combined it with the existing long gun one. ;-)


Sean
said

"But he offers little new evidence of any real ties between the Tories and the NRA"'nuf said. You have an accusation? Great. Prove it THEN I'll care. I don't take politicians at their word, especially when their 'truth' happens to help their own political career.


Trent
said

The 'registry' has become one of Canada's biggest waste of public funds. To FORCE a LAW ABIDING rifle owner to register his weapon is not going to stop the violence caused by gangs. As a hunter I use my licenced rifle to harvest my game legally. As a farmer I use my rifle to legally protect my livestock. To have the Liberal Government force me to register my legally obtained rifles will do nothing to stop the crime on the streets. Does Ignatief actually think that the criminals that use 'short' barrels (hand guns) to carry out crimes will use legally obtained and licenced guns to rob and murder?!?! Take the money from the gun registry and spend it on more police, more jails and to help pay for longer prison sentences!!!


ruralcon
said

The Libs have already lost the debate and have no facts or statistics to show the gun registry has prevented crime or deters it. Thus, the smears start.If only Canada had a NRA of it's own to keep the McGuinty's of this world honest instead of being fear mongers without facts.


Peter in MB
said

Canadian Firearm QuotesAllan Rock "I came to Ottawa with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." —Allan Rock, Canada's Minister of Justice (liberal)Sharon Carstairs "C-68 has little to do with gun control or crime control, but it is the first step necessary to begin the social re-engineering of Canada." — Quote by Senator Sharon Carstairs (Liberal) 1996 January 26 - 11th Annual Community Legal Education Associations (CLEA) Conference, Winnipeg, ManitobaSeveral people witnessed her saying this, but it is denied by the senator. “Social Re-engineering of Canada they say”??? Dose that mean that Iggy will be teaching people how to goose step and say Sieg Heil. It has never been about public safety. it’s always been a secret hidden left wing agenda to disarm law abiding citizens when the time comes.just like Hitler did.


Samual
said

Don't the gun nuts know that they've already lost the vote. The best they can hope for is a tie, and a tie does them no good. And if more NDPers switch their vote or abstain from voting on Sept 22 then the defeat gets that much worse. The irony is that the Cons and the NRA pushed these NDPers to switch their votes because of their heavy handed tactics. If they had left well enough alone they could still have come out on top. The only way the right can win now would be to actually prevent opposition MP's from attending Parliament on Sept 22. Good luck with that!


Joe Szentirmay
said

I think it is important to note that with the elimination of the long gun registry, any current or future gun owner still would have to have a valid firearms license to continue owning or to purchase any firearm.I'm a member of the National Firearms Association,I guess that would be considered politically incorrect.Too bad, political correctness is for losers.


T.Dot Tommy
said

The long gun registry was never anything more then Liberal propaganda. It would have never done anything to reduce crime rates in Canada. The gangsters and drug dealers shooting each other are using illegal guns brought up from the US, or stolen in break-ins. If the Liberals were serious about law and order, they would work with Mr. Harper to implement his crime agenda, and then watch the bad guys get rounded up


al from calgary
said

If the registary stays the cons should immediately table a bill that if you are caught with an illlegal or unregistered gun you get a mandatory life sentence without parole, I;m sure that the police chiefs, womens groups and the liberals will support this bill as it will make us safer from guns, I'm sure this will pass maybe the cons should call the libs bluff and see where they really stand on gun control


Brian
said

As long as the Liberals reveal who is lobbying them on supporting this stupid registry


0045
said

Whipping a vote is not Democracy.I am a former liberal, And I don't like the conservatives, but I do believe in democracy.You cant go around whipping a vote and thinking that you can go bash on the NRA for influence.What is wrong with this country. We need honest politician for a start.The majority of Canadian want the registry gone, where is this guy getting his information.


Luke in Richmond Hill
said

You mean the CONS have ties to a US lobby group? Insane! What's next? Harper's former mouthpiece is appointed head of a right wing media station in Canada? Insane!


Greg in the Hammer
said

JP makes an excellent point, because he's so WRONG. The real issue here is that so many cowboys have drunk the Harper Koolaid and actually believe that they have the "right" to own a gun. Give your heads a shake, people. This isn't the US. Owning a gun is a privilege, not a right. The sooner you realize that, the sooner we can all accept that regulation of that privilege is something we can all live with.


Peter in MB
said

I am so sick of hearing (If People register their cars so they should register their guns) Has auto registration stopped any car accidents? Car thefts from steeling cars? Any drunk drivers? People driving with out a licence? Or anyone from breaking the laws? also (If the gun registry saves one life it not worth it) please give me ONE example of where it did that!!! If some punk steels your car and hits an kills someone should you the owner of the car be charged as an accessory to the crime for providing the vehicle? If some one like James Rascal come into my house threatens to kill me and my family if I don’t give him my guns then he kills 4 RCMP offices, why should I be held responsible for that? The judge and his lawyer should be held responsible for letting him out on bail!!!Gun control has been proven not to work!!! Putting outlaws in Jail has been proven to work!!! As a gun owner I am getting sick an tired of being blamed for the actions of criminals


True blue
said

err...so Liberal ties to the software maker of the registry computer system don't matter? What about Liberal ties to the Coalition for Gun Control and the hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars given to them to lobby the government.Give me a break......


Paul
said

This is actually turning into more than just a stupid gun registry. The Liberals are starting to show their true colours as control freaks.


Anthony
said

As much as I am in favour of tough firearms legislation, I can't help but feel as though the long-gun registry is nothing more than another way for the federal government to bring in some extra cash. Long-guns, such as rifles used primarily for sport (hunting), are hardly the problem in Canada. It's the small handguns, as well as semi-automatic/automatic weapons that require even TIGHTER regulations. The government should be investing their time towards battling the blackmarket firearms trade that currently exists in Canada, and not find ways to get farmers and hunters to shell out more cash for no real reason.


Stu from London
said

@JP No one is trying to take your guns away from you, or your right to protect yourself. All Canadians are asking is for you to register your legally possessed firearms. Own all the guns you want, just do things the right way.


Jon in AB
said

Unbelievable! The Libs were more than happy to have American Michael Moore and the Irishman Bono of U2 interfere in Canadian politics when the "evil empire" of Conservatives were gaining ground. How typically hypocritical of the Liberals! Just another example of how desperate they are to try to gain political points and an issue (i.e. gun registry) that, when one looks at the facts is clearly a waste of time and money. Only those driven by misplaced emotion without any logic believe it is needed.


Paul West Coast
said

The NRA - National Rifles Association - plays too large a role in conservative politics both in this country and the USA. Canadian police associations, Chiefs of Police, Victims' Groups and the Medical Professionals all say the gun registry saves lives. As a recent report revealed the gun registry is cost effective and saves lives; it should remain.


Algonquin Student
said

The NRA has never had significant involvement in Canada as its a strictly american based organization and to claim without any evidence they have significant links to the current government is just plain outrageous . there are canadian based gun rights groups but they are not closed tied to the NRA in any way . and last time i checked this was a democrary and groups were allowed to lobby the government .


LP
said

I really don't understand this debate. It seems registering dangerous weapons should be in the interests of all law abiding citizens. If you are dong nothing criminal with your weapons why not have them registered?


Andrew
said

Liberal, American fear mongering. The Liberalss prejudice and hatred for the Americans can be compared to the racisim seen in the early 1900's. The Liberals fear of being or looking American, is largely based on their own insecurities. There is more to life than "not being American".


Bill from Winnipeg
said

Didn't take long for the new Lib chief to take on the old Liberal tactic of trashing our neighbours to the south. Here we go again...........What is next, we are in cohoots with the Iranian leader too..........So much for the Lib's foreign policy. Lets start blaming other countries for sticking their noses in our business.............


Mike
said

The registry shouldn't even be an issue, if the police say it's a useful tool, then it's a useful tool that should be kept for the safety of Canadians. It cost less than a dollar every time they use it, that's a bargain. The street cops that oppose the decision are no different than employees in a company. The people at the top know the full picture & make decisions based on that. If I let the help make decisions in my company, I'd go broke. This conservative soft on crime bill needs to be defeated & the registry needs to stay. The NRA should keep their opinion to themselves. It's seems Harper so much wants Canada to mirror the US, we don't need the crime rate they have down there, Steve.


John from Fredericton
said

The revelation that the NRA is spearheading the vote to kill the registry is putting a major taint on the bill. This could force the six NDPs that will not vote with the Liberals and the Bloc to kill the bill to reconsider, due to public outcry.The public will not allow an extreme right-wing group like the NRA influencing the government.


George Poole in Lunenburg
said

The rest of the Socialist politicians would not come clean if you bathed them over and over for a month, so why should the 'evil' conservatives have to 'come clean' (will someone define 'come clean' for me? Hello to all the GWB Jr. Haters out there - by the way, did you know he is no longer the president of the United States? Time to move on and find a new hobby ;p


mahanna ali
said

the liberals should just simply stop "saying" anything at all...it's the usual drivel....one of these days they may have something important to say - however it is not this day......


jjaycee
said

If we are free to associate with whomever, then it is no ones business that supporters of scrapping the gun registry should have a guest speaker who is a member of the NRA.The only freedom the Libs and Dippers support is freedom to commit crimes and walk away, and to pay exorbitant taxes for the rest of us.


NRM
said

Why would the NRA care that Canadian Firearms owners require little pieces of paper to track their firearms? Licencing and background checks are going to stay the same after C-391 gets passed. Contrary to what the Liberals and the Canadian Chiefs of Police are stating, this bill is more about trimming costs than dismantling gun control.The Liberals are tossing out false accusations to try and push the fear mongering angle just to save their prized pig. Unfortunately for the Liberals the tactic is just a bit too transparent and this pork should come off the Canadian menu.


JP
said

The liberals should keep THEIR noses out of my rights to own and carry guns and to defend myself! That's where the unwanted intrusion is!


Robert Jakeman
said

I am a farmer and I am against the Gun Registry and I resent the liberals linking me to any organized oposition. To sugest such a thing is a liberal pipe dream. They won't get the farm vote throwing mud. It is just going to make us so mad that we will never go back to the Libs again.


Brian
said

As a member of a police service I can assure Mr. McGuinty an Officer would be a fool to rely on this "registry" as it is out-of-date and exceptionally inaccurate. Chief Blair does NOT speak for the police, only for his own purposes, and they're usually political in nature.


p0d0
said

4 years ago some obscure tory mp hosted a forum with an nra leader as a speaker? libs are reaching for it. maybe 30 years ago harper went to summer camp with a boy who's best friend's second cousin, twice removed's next door neighbor was charleton heston. give me a break and stop wasting my tax dollars.


Dan in Ottawa
said

Didn't the Liberals have an Americian politichian at their big meeting in Montreal just last year? Is he saying that no Americians are allowed in Canada to speak to like minded people, or his he saying that any Americians that do not think link him and the Liberals are not allowed. It's OK for the Liberals but bad for the Conservitives? I just want to understand the rules the Liberals are putting forward. They sure did like it when Clinton was here just a few mounths ago talking very publicly about another Canadian debate. The Liberals were OK with that. I guess She was speaking like a Liberal so it was OK.


allan
said

It looks like Mcguinty and the libs would close our borders to free speech, banning Anne Coulter and others from speaking, who do not agree with their left wing ideology. The NRA exists, get over it, and we can choose on our own to ignore it or agree with them.We are Canadian, have our own minds, and can make up our own minds about what wordly information we can observe. By censuring free speech will not make us any more Canadian, but will deprive us of valuable information. I dont want governments dictating what information I may havae access to.


Paul de T.O.
said

The reason for the CONS desire to scrap the long-gun registry has got to be the result of powerful lobbying by the NRA from the States. Why else would the CONS go against the RCMP,the OPP, and the Police Chief Assoc.,etc. What gets me most about these CONS is the way they trot out some retired police chief or commissioner from somewhere to "speak" for the police, when in fact he is just repaying past favors made to him from his CONS friends.


Jim
said

The NRA a should have nothing to say in Canadian politics we don't need the gun deaths they have in the US. If the conservatives like the US so much they should quit their jobs & move down there. I don't like Harper's agenda to make Canada the same as the US, they have many problems we don't need.


Wayne
said

When are the Liberals going to let this die and develop a party platform with substance.


JP
said

Well I have new for you Mr Politician. As a gun owning Canadian, I WELCOME help from the NRA on improving my RIGHTS in Canada. It is NOT your place to tell me who I can go to for help.


mike Clarke
said

If they do that means we have the right to see all lobing for everyone including the liberal on every thing, I bet that we would have a lot of surprises.


Amar
said

The real problem is HAND guns illegally owned by criminals and gangsters.This registery is ONLY for LONG guns also known as Rifles commonly used by Hunters and Farmers.Scrap it, leave "farmer joe" alone and use the money to go after the real problem.


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