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Date: Thursday Jun. 10, 2010 1:21 PM ET

A new report from TD Economics warns that unless the pension system is reformed, a growing number of Canadians won't have adequate income in retirement to maintain their standard of living.

The report released Thursday comes in advance of next week's meeting of federal and provincial finance ministers in Prince Edward Island, where the retirement income system will be discussed.

"If we don't see material changes within the next five years then we're going to start running into greater risks that individuals are going to experience this decline in the standard of living," said Craig Alexander, TD's chief economist.

He said a decline in personal savings, rising household debt levels, volatile markets and declining employer pension coverage will affect the lifestyle of future retirees.

"The bottom line is that more Canadians are likely to find that they experience a lower standard of living in retirement over the next four decades," Alexander said.

He said close to 25 per cent of seniors are not meeting the traditional benchmark of 60 to 70 per cent replacement of their pre-retirement income.

Alexander said the analysis by TD Economics shows the middle class will be particularly affected in years to come, especially those without pension plans.

He said the retirement system is doing a good job of keeping retirees out of poverty, but not enough to ensure they can maintain their standard of living, and governments need to act, starting with gathering better information on household income and savings.

The last survey of financial security by Statistics Canada was done in 2005 and Alexander said a lot has changed on household assets and liabilities in the last five years.

He said the updated information is needed so governments can pursue a "rush prudently, don't run blindly" approach to reforming the Canadian retirement income system.

Alexander said governments need to improve financial literacy among Canadians so people have the capability to competently manage their own financial affairs. He is also calling on governments to raise annual limits for RRSPs and defined contribution pension plans, and to improve the rules for employer-sponsored defined benefit plans.

His report suggests the use of a public supplementary pension plan to help those in greatest need, rather than changes to the Canada Pension Plan, which wouldn't necessarily help the minority of people who aren't saving enough now.

The Canadian Labour Congress has proposed increasing CPP benefits. Currently, the average Canadian receives a monthly retirement pension of $502.57 from the CPP.

The labour congress proposal would "effectively double" the average benefit and would see the maximum increase to $1,635 from the current level of $934.17. That would require Canadians to deduct a greater amount from their paycheques.

But the Canadian Federation of Independent Business said Thursday that its members are against that idea.

"Proposals by unions to double CPP would serve as a major job killer, as economists worldwide recognize that payroll taxes are a drag on job growth and economic development," federation president Catherine Swift said in a statement.

"With EI payroll tax premiums set to rise for the next several years, beginning in 2011, an increase in CPP premiums could hamstring Canada's economic recovery, just as it begins to gain momentum."

Instead, the business group has written to the federal and provincial finance ministers to say governments need to consult with businesses on other ways to improve the retirement income system.

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TheTruth
said

The answer is simple, wages have not kept up with inflation and companies have stripped away benefits and pensions. Therefore no one can save enough money. End of Story.


Jason
said

I have LONG ago assumed that I would not receive anything from CPP that would matter when I retire. I am almost 40 now... in 20 - 25 years IF there still is a CPP the boomers will have drained it long dry.If Canada was smart CPP contributions would essentially be government required RRSP's. Invested in the same program as Federal Employees, MP's etc.Then your CPP contributions would be registered in your name and be "your" money. Not accessible to you until 60 or 65 or disbursed to your estate should you not make it that long.Then again what government wants to stop that cash cow from falling into General Revenue eh!Raising RRSP limits, give me a break I make 60 grand a year with 3 kids and a stay at home wife. If I manage to get $1,000 into an RRSP in a year I consider myself lucky. Increasing the limit only shifts more tax burden from the rich onto working schmucks like me. Most Canadians can't even approach the yearly maximum make it a billion dollars and it won't help most of us one iota.


Samantha, Toronto
said

I agree we need Financial Literacy among Canadians so that they can learn that Big Government, Taxpayers cannot be expected to bail them out, or subsidize them to get them out their Financial problems. The first thing they should do is to get the 3 Million Public Sector employees off the Tax Payer dole when it comes to pensions. Its a disgrace that these people expect Taxpayers to guarantee them their Retirement funds for the remainder of their lives. More and more companies are getting out of providing Guaranteed Pensions for their employees because they see they don't make sense. Get them all off our backs.


Pam
said

Doug in BCHow can one save when the courts allows deserting fathers to pay the minimum allowance to support their children. $175.00 per month to feed, cloth, house, educate, socialize, nurse,dental, eyes, etc. Let alone not have a social life for ones self as there is no money. Oops I forgot childcare expenses. With a minimum wage job, not worked for several years as being a mother and housewife. Are you one those non paying fathers who needs multiple women or forgot to tell the wife your preferred the other gender? Oh, the wife left school early because she was pregnant and didn't finish her education. Save for the future?? A mother doesn't forget she has children and helps them long after they have left the proverbial nest and spends that money today instead of for her future. This doesn't include supporting any form of disability for a parent or child or grandchild. Think again. Politicians may pay higher maintenance to spouses and children but they certainly don't have to do it on low incomes. They are guaranteed a pension whereas small companies still do not provide assistance to RRSP's.


Carl
said

It is not the job of government (ie. taxpayers) to give everyone an income after they retire. All the tools are in place for middle-income Canadians to save all they need and more for their own retirements. If you want to have money after you stop working, you have to save when you are working. It's that simple. If you assume too much debt and spend everything you make, you don't have a right to turn to the person next to you, who scrimped and saved for their own retirement, and demand that they give you a pot of money to live on.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Here's a crazy idea... Let's wake up to the indisputable fact that giving a massive chunk of our annual income to our federal, provincial, and municipal government (income tax, sales tax, property tax) leaves most people with inadequate financial resources based upon rampant consumerism, materialism, and available finance. The overall equation is simple. Either we reduce the size of government and correspondingly accept less "free" stuff, or, we resign ourselves to living entirely within our true means. Giving half your income to your government keeper, and then crossing the street to visit your banking keeper to bridge the resulting lifestyle gap, doesn't work, especially for retirement. Talk of pension reform, RRSP reform, etc. is merely a foolish distraction, and not a legitimate means to a worthy solution. Do the math, and drop the "denial" syndrome.


Linda in Vancouver
said

It's easy to figure this one out.You get out of life exactly what you put into it.The notion that the government can simply hand out more money,or that an employer can pay $18 per hour to an employee capable of pouring coffee,or that the banks are hoarding excess profits are all laughable,at best.Government money is not free money.It is money confiscated either from your hard working neighbour,or added to the national debt,which will be paid for by future Canadians in the form of higher taxes.Businesses thast pay wages beyond the value of the work done are businesses that go bankrupt.They try to pass on the cost to consumers,but the consumers then just make their own coffee,and more people go on the dole because there are even fewer jobs to be had.Here's my suggestion.If you want to make more money,learn more so you can offer more value to your employer.As to the banks,we should be grateful for the banks we have.If you are in debt,it way you who borrowed the money that got you there.And those profits people like to whine about do not belong to the banks.They are paid to people who bought bank shares as they saved for their retirement,in the form of dividends. And those who collect the dividends pay taxes on that income.If you think the profits are high,buy some shares. People who cry poverty often come from what used to be the middle class.They claim they need more money.They spent all of theirs on cigarettes,boze,cell phones,giant TV's,expensive cable packages,vacations,campers,boats,toys for the kids,etc,etc,etc.They they want other tax payers to pay for their retirement. Get real.Or better still,get to work,make a long term plan,and put some effort into achieving that goal.Banks and government can help with the planning,but you have to do it.


Kamal Toews
said

And some politicians want to extend pensions to immigrants who come here at age 62, bring nothing. to save their adult children (who have been freeloading from Canadians for social services & medicare) . . how's that fair? People who have worked all their lives, paid not only Income tax, but sales taxes , gst/ hst for years. . supported local businesses & so on. Ridiculous. End wholesale immigration where people from strange cultures learn all about how to fleece our government programs & contribute nothing but stress to our country. We cannot afford to feed the entire world.


Doug # BC
said

LOL. Lots of posts from people who still think just being a Canadian means they get a whole lot of everything without actually having to do the work it takes to pay for it. I will say this.Retirement programs that are clear and available to everyone are a necessity in this country.Those who say government should pay for big increases are really saying that their children and grandchildren should pay more taxes so they can retire early.Government pensions and supplements were never meant to be your sole source of income when you can no longer work.They were designed to make sure no one starved to death,or froze in the dark because they had not planned for their economic future.It is YOU,the consumer who needs to take responsibility for your income oif you OPT to spend your income,rather than put some aside for the time when you can no longer work. It's about "free choice".Some will OPT to live high off the hog most of their lives,and live with less in the future.Others will OPT to make sacrifices early in life so that they can have a better standard of living when they can no longer work.IT"S A CHOICE PEOPLE.One that every Canadian should be free to make for him or herself. MORE is what we all want.What we all need is a different matter.The posts from people who want more rewards,but less work of fewer sacrifices to get what they want is the real greed that infects this society.Collect more,spend it all now,then pass the bill on to the next generation of Canadians. You CAN live with less.You CAN save for a better retirement .The cost of your computer and internet access alone is enough to build a retirement fund.IF you start young,and NEVER give up.


simon
said

QUOTE: Alexander says governments need to improve financial literacy among Canadians. UNQUOTE. One thing is for Sure: Governments ARE Financially Literate !!!! All MP's have Guaranteed Pension........


Paula
said

It seems that Politicians can only understand their own pension needs, giving themselves huge pensions, while ignoring everyone else.How they can look in a mirror is beyond me.


Doug
said

Maybe if we elected fewer Liberals we would be taxed less and more of us non-teachers would be able to do what is necessary and save for retirement!


M
said

99% of the problem is that people have, for so long, depended on credit. "Oh, I'll pay for it later." Yes, you certainly will!If you live within your means and don't worry about keeping up with the Jones' you'll be able to save for a comfortable retirement.Those who convince themselves that they need all the toys and new clothes and new cars and luxurious homes are the ones who will be in trouble.I, as a taxpayer, do not want to bail people out because they are unwilling to exert some self control.Live within your means.It is that simple.


James
said

Anyone that believes pension reform will come is a fool. Governments in my mother's time looked towards the future, seeking to make the world a better place. Politicians of all camps these days look only to the next election. Pensioners will be another government's problem. Why lose votes today to do the right thing for tomorrow?


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

Maintain our standard of living (what a joke !) What planet is this guy from ! You can save to help get by for retirement and then sudden ill health can force you to "retire" 11 years early.Your retirement savings are used up long before retirement paying for Px's etc. . You down size bigtime and in a hurry and wish you were 65 so you could have a little money.(Canada Pension, Supplement.) There is no "easy answer" for retirement because no one knows what the future holds. Enjoy each day as it comes. Down size to survive (500sq. ft.) and if you are carefull and very resourceful you can survive. Enjoy an inexpensive hobby (fishing)etc. It is all about adapting and not giving up. The "Golden Years" are not always Golden but you can still have a life, not an easy one but a life.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

Perhaps governments could offer seniors some useful training course such as "The Art of Successful Panhandling" or "How to get off the Grid - Electricity is dangerous - you're better off without it"... Or 21 low cost recipes for 'NO NAME' Dog Food.... My municipal taxes have more than tripled in the last decade, since the wonders of "cost saving" amalgamation were unleashed here, I use about half the electricity I used 12 years ago and I pay more than twice as much for it. This will only get worse with the HST and "Green Energy" funding where consumers will be paying that 70 cents per kilowatt hour rate and more promised to the windmill and solar cell speculators in 20 year contracts.


Al en NL
said

As JC said, raising RRSP limits does nothing for people who are living from paycheck to paycheck. Today that just happens to be the middle class and the unfortunate people who happen to be lower class. It would appear that politicians just don't get it. RRSP's, RESP's, etc. don't benefit anyone except the rich, or at the very least, the upper middle class. If you can't afford to put the money in these investments then what good are they? It's the same old story the rich get richer whether it's Bank money or Taxpayer's money.


David
said

The proposed residence eligibility is going to be changed from 10 years to 3 years; I don't agree this should be increased to at least 15 years. The other changes should be: increased deductions and proposed income support at what is required, not to support a standard of living some people are use too. At the present $500.00 a month is agreeably very low and should be increased to at least $1700.00/mth with a proposed index matched to inflation. The deductions should be matched to each persons freely choosen set income rate expected.


Sandy from NS
said

By the age of 25, it is possible to be around 100000 or more in debt. The cost of living and education are making it very hard. That cost is passed on to consumers by the fee the doctor or lawyers charge. A nursing degree could cost 50 000 or more. Because of the high cost of getting that education, the wages must be higher and therefore this is past on as taxes. Now with all the new technology the education is needed. Once graduated they want you in places where there is very little or no public transportation, therefore you need a car to get to work. Even a teacher can speand a easy 50 000 dollars Lowering the cost of education is the key. And working minimum wage, will forget putting anything aside for retirement.


themacguy
said

A greta number of us, and that number is constantly growing, will be working until we drop dead at work. My g/f religiously deposits to her RRSPs and when I sat her down and showed her the math that explained just how far, or not so far, that savings will go when she retires it was a big eye opener for her. It's still a decent and safe place to save money with a small return but given we both work at medium income jobs there's no way we will ever save enough to retire comfortably. The day to day expense of living in a city like Toronto pretty much drains everything we have coming in. I can't imagine how people that are working for our insanely low minimum wage are getting by let alone how they could ever save anything for retirement.I have no problem with working till I drop dead but some days it would be nice to have something a little sweeter to look forward to. I'm sure there are tons of folks that feel the same way.


J.C.
said

I fail to see how raising RRSP annual limits will help those who have no money to put into them. Let's face it people in the higher income brackets would be the only beneficiaries to gain. These suggestions do nothing for the middle or lower income brackets. Education of financial matters do nothing for those who have no money to invest or save anyway!


bets
said

A sign, as if we need yet another one, that the middle class is disappearing. The article speaks to improvements to DB pension plans at a time when DB pension plans have all but disappeared from the landscape and you know, never to return so this initiative will only help the select few who still have a DB plan. It's the craziness that has to end. We need real options for investments that are not tied to the stock markets ... we need a government who will look out for the interests of taxpayers instead of allowing the constant erosion of our hard earned money (ie/ I do all that I can to save electricity in order to save $, yet my bill shows that I used $36 worth of electricity but it cost $103 to deliver that to me and wait ... I'm paying to retire the debt that a group of inept CEOs ran up - and for that performance they earned a bonus ...) Here's a thought, match the amount (in the billions) spent on the Olympics and the G8/G20 sumit, apply it to the OAP or CPP coffers then stipulate that, regardless of how the stock market performs, those funds will earn 5 to 7% annually (I believe that is how MP, Senators, PMs pensions are guaranteed isn't it?) Time to do something for the good of all instead of the elitist, select few ... common sense isn't common ...


Pam
said

And who thinks the Guaranteed Income for Seniors is sufficient to live decently on today? $16,000 per annum. Rent is taking the largest chunk of that, then food - need clothes - ooh - last new winter coat 15 years ago. Need new teeth, forget that completely. Need foot care, orthotics to walk properly, forget that as well. Medication, utilities, oh don't pay that but go on a vacation to Florida - last one of those - assistant at a child's camp. Get out a have a life now you are retired - will you pay?


True North Strong and Free
said

I find it ironic that TD is the one making these comments given that big banks have profited off the backs of the consumer. The banks are the ones allowing people to live, potentially, beyond their means as they control most of the credit in the country. Yes, consumers should be more concientious of their future retirement and maybe the RRSP limit should be increased but who will benefit the most....the banks. How about the banks offer better incentives for investing and a stimulus package of their own since they have had record profits lately! Why should it always be the tax payer forced to cover other peoples potential lack of financial management. I guess this is the way of the "free" market system!


Rick
said

I would agree that pension reform is needed...that is all.On another side note, if any of you see the hellman's ad on the top right corner the rooster lands on the gentleman's walker on the pic and scuttles across it...very funny!


Kevin
said

Why cant we just convince the Government to enact the retirement security reform suggestions as outlined by the Canadian Labour Congress over the past several months. The Banks just want their share of everyone's retirement nest egg through RRSP's Lets all hope that the Premiers see through this kind of corporate centred proposal


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

There will be no retired middle class pensioners except the retired autoworkers, civil servants and a tiny number of retirees from large businesses that once offered decent pensions. Inflation, rock bottom interest rates-- below inflation and plummeting RRSP investment returns will ensure those without pensions end their lives desperately poor and unable to afford even the vestiges of the middle last life they once lived.... The only upside is that it will make dying young a not entirely undesirable outcome.


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