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French Prime Minister Francois Fillon gestures to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper during a joint news conference in Paris, Friday June 4, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Prime Minister Stephen Harper meets with French President Nicolas Sarkozy at the Elysee Palace in Paris, Friday, June 4, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  French President Nicolas Sarkozy, right, shakes hands with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper upon his arrival for their working meeting, Friday June 4, 2010 at the Elysee Palace in Paris. (AP Photo/Jacques Brinon)

Harper, French leaders agree to disagree on bank tax

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper's difficulties in getting European leaders on his side in regards to the global bank tax continued on Friday. French leaders agreed with their British counterparts, maintaining their support of the controversial tax.
Canada AM: John Kirton, G8 Research Group
Though Prime Minister Stephen Harper is trying to drum up support against the bank tax, one expert says it is not a key issue in his talks with British and French leaders.

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French Prime Minister Francois Fillon gestures to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper during a joint news conference in Paris, Friday June 4, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Prime Minister Stephen Harper meets with French President Nicolas Sarkozy at the Elysee Palace in Paris, Friday, June 4, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  French President Nicolas Sarkozy, right, shakes hands with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper upon his arrival for their working meeting, Friday June 4, 2010 at the Elysee Palace in Paris. (AP Photo/Jacques Brinon)

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Date: Fri. Jun. 4 2010 12:47 PM ET

For the second day in a row, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has found himself in disagreement with a European ally on the contentious bank tax issue.

Meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and French Prime Minister Francois Fillon, Harper was at odds with the French government's support of a proposal to use a bank tax to pay for future economic rescues.

"We're trying to reach an agreement on this question, where even if countries do things differently, we can recognize a common principle to ensure that risks are taken by the institutions themselves and not by taxpayers," Harper said after meeting with Fillon on Friday.

"We also have to make sure that we don't increase risk by sending the message to the financial sector that the taxpayers will underwrite their bad decisions."

Harper met with British Prime Minister David Cameron yesterday in London and came away with the same result.

Many European countries favour having a bank tax to shield taxpayers from bailing out banks in future -- France and Britain are two of the biggest supporters of the proposal.

Harper opposes having a bank tax because it would penalize Canadian banks that did not need bailing out during the recent financial crisis.

"They stand firm and Canada stands firm," CTV's Daniele Hamamdjian told CTV News Channel from Paris, summing up the opposing views.

The bank tax will undoubtedly be a topic of discussion when G20 leaders meet in Toronto later this month.

Despite the fact that Harper was not able to sway his European colleagues, University of Toronto professor John Kirton believes the prime minister had successful meetings with both leaders.

On Thursday, Harper was the first leader to meet the newly elected Cameron at 10 Downing Street, the official residence of the British prime minister.

Kirton, the head of the G8 Research Centre at the University of Toronto, said Canada and Britain share "strong solidarity on so many of the key issues," including the war in Afghanistan, free trade and the challenges facing the global financial system.

The fact that Cameron made his position clear on the bank tax issue simply indicates that he is "too smart a politician or a statesman to spend much time on what is already, really a lost cause," Kirton said.

As for Harper's meetings in France, Kirton predicted Sarkozy and the Canadian prime minister would stick to other substantive issues.

"Mr. Sarkozy will say bold things about a bank tax when he comes before the cameras to talk to the voters at home," said Kirton.

"But when he sits down privately with Mr. Harper, as statesperson to statesperson, they'll talk about the real issues to move the world forward at this critical stage."

With files from The Canadian Press

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Al-BC
said

malingerersaid There is nothing wrong with a bank tax.. Most people don't realize how banking and the monetary system works (check into it people).. It's about fractional reserves (Canadian banks have some of the LOWEST in the world, EVEN LESS than the US banks) and causing this 'system' to have a higher degree of accountability is NOT a bad thing at all Ummm who do you think will be paying for this? the banks? No they will just pass it on to you and me. Sorry but taxation is the wrong idea.


Sandusky
said

Thankfully. I'm glad somebody is willing to stand up to Europe and say "thanks, but no thanks: we don't need any silly financial planning lessons from a colllection of financial and morally bankrupted nations." I remain convinced that this bank tax is nothing more than a cynical tax grab by the bankrupted EU nations that would end up in their general revenues to help pay for their overspending. I am completely unconvinced that if a bank ever did go belly up that there would any funds in this "bank tax vault" to bail them out as the vault would be empty due to overspending by the EU nations. The answers are simple: if a bank goes under because of it's own folly, don't bail them out. And if a government overspends because it doesn't know how to say no, cut back on your spending before you cheese off the masses. More and more taxes are not the answer.


viral venus
said

Our "leadership" seems to be ending up on the opposite track of a lot of our allies lately. We can go back to the absolute failure to acknowledge the looming global economic crisis "no recession here folks....nothing to see here...nope not us, no housing market crisis possible here, no budget deficits nope... nope..." Then the refusal of funding for necessary allbeit controversial services to promote maternal and child health when all our allies favour such funding as essential to saving lives. Next they declare an end to the moratorium on west coast drilling and tanker traffic and at the same time cripple safety and oversight measures for east coast offshore drilling all while th U.S. is desperately trying to cope with the worst oil spill of all time! Now the disagreement with all our other allies about the efficacy of taxing big banks in order to use their own extremely lucrative profits to fund what basially amounts to "insurance" against any future collapes, bailouts or government purchase of bad debts. It's really time for this government to broaden their focus and try to imagine that there are people who know more than they do and could advise them on sound decisions that are not simple ideologically driven choices.


Inga
said

Global bank tax=Global banking rules aka a level playing field.


Albertaboy111
said

Tim out west? Have you paid any attention at all to what Harper has done on the international stage? He tries the same bully like tactics that he practices in the HOC. During the climate change debate, while every other country was agreeing climate change is a problem, and trying to hammer out a solution, Harper spent the time trying to dispute the science of global warming. We were voted the single most disruptive and disingenuous country of the entire talks, and that's not the first time we have been viewed this way by other countries. I know you are a staunch Harper supporter, but you cannot dispute the facts of how the international community views him and his tactics. Maybe you should pay a little more attention to what he says and does, and what other leaders say and do as well. He has put us at odds with the entire world on nearly every issue, so now when it comes to an issue he should be disagreeing with, nobody wants to hear him, because they have been through his song and dance before, and didn't like it. Do you simply just not remember the criticism our country is facing and has faced solely on decisions and actions of Stephen Harper? n Harper's case it's really about picking your battles, which he has failed to do in an effective manner.


M.M.B. Ont
said

I hope Harper sticks to his guns on this one and holds the fort. Where will all this lead in the end?? A one world gov't? A take over by other countries? We are our own country and why can't we just do what we want and not what other countries want. The USA thought it was the controller of the whole world and where are they now? They will soon be owned by China. Let each country fix their own banking problems if they don't believe that Canada's worked for us.


More Wasted Money
said

Are there any more ways our government can waste money. Let's list them all now, and get it over with.

I have over 200 ways on my list, but I'm afraid we'd all go broke before we kicked the Conservatives outta there.

I know, let's boot them out now. I wonder if they realize they are living high on the hog with our money??


Jaret
said

@SceneAlthough the foundation of our country didn't happen in a globalized market there are values that do stand throughout time.One of the most important value that I believe needs to stand is the belief that individuals direct their government how to act and what to do.If Canada wishes to follow the world and establish a "bank tax" that it should be clearly accepted that it is the choice of our national leaders. Policy should be directed by those directly chosen by us and fellow citizens, not by Brussels, or New York, or Washington.Canada has the power and ability to say no to a "global" bank tax, because in the end we are still a major energy super-power. Where would America rather buy its oil: from an agressive mid-east country, or it's friendly largest trading partner that's next door and just happens to not impose a tax on it's banks which private individuals would end up paying any ways?


Scott Stelmaschuk
said

The use of the term 'bank tax' is highly misleading. I think some of the commentators here think that this is a tax that will be levied on average citizens, but that is not the case.Rather, the tax will be applied to the banks themselves. The collected revenue will then be pooled into an account which will be accessed if a bank requires a bailout.As you can see from that, no cost to the taxpayer average citizen. This system is designed to protect the average citizen from having their tax dollars go towards bailing out banks in the future.And as for those who suggest that an increased fee on the banks will be passed along by increased fees on bank users, I'll admit it is possible that banks will increase fees to make up for the new cost.BUT, and I can't stress this enough, there are other methods to be used to protect against this. Conservatives would argue that we could decrease national taxation on banks to prevent fees from going up; while more-leftist individuals, like myself, would support the NDP motion of eliminating bank fees and support legislation that would make it illegal for the banks to raise fees in regards to this tax.This idea will not harm the average taxpayer or take money from their pocket, as Harper wants Canadians to believe, but is a measure to ensure that troubled banks don't need to come running to taxpayers in order to keep surviving. And so long as governments stay in step with legislation on banks, there will be no increased cost to Canadian citizens anywhere.


Peter Rapsey
said

Harper is the guy who, during the last election, indicated there was no problem in the world financial situation. Those who don't agree with him on the banking issue are probably right. anyway, his priorities are crazy. Can you imagine what $1.2B would do for poverty in Canada, or Healthcare, or pensions...all far more important than security. If we fixed the Poverty situation around the world, we would have very little terrorism.


Kevin
said

@IslandMan - the difference between this bank tax and the GM bailout is that GM is paying back [has paid back] to Canadian Government the money they borrowed, and the Canadian Government has the opportunity to sell off the shares of GM stockholdings they bought to help with the bailout. The only interest we will have in this bank tax is paying more to banks for an insurance policy that the rest of the world will screw up. Bank tax is a bad idea that will only cost the little man even more because he will have to pay for the rich man's mistakes, as usual.


Steve O
said

Only the feeble minded would agree with Harper. In the last budget Harper gave Canadian banks tax breaks of 200 billion dollars. This is a bailout & Harper has back CMHC mortgages, this is another bailout. Harper's policies take from the average Canadian & give to big business.


mrfatelurk
said

It will not matter to the banks anyways. If they are taxed, they will just invent new "USER FEES" to pay for it.


Paul de T.O.
said

I agree completely with Kim Leaman. Sharper Harper is right, though, to stick to his guns. Canada does NOT have to succumb to the G20. The point is if the restriction(s) applied to the banks of the G20 are more or less equivalent, then that would prevent any arbitrage bank plays among investors. This is the only time I've agreed with the CONS.


happy
said

Harper must so frustrated because he can't bully the rest of the world the way he bullies Canadians. This also demonstrates that he doesn't have as much influence as he thought with his fellow leaders. We should have sent John Baird and he could have yelled at them and constantly interrupted them when they were speaking and that would have won them over! The Conservatives are such a huge embarrassment.


Jack's raging bile duct
said

These "leaders" are completely USELESS! While Harper is arguing about a bank tax and 'economic recovery' the oil spill in the gulf threatens the coast of Nova Scotia and is about poison an entire ocean. Harper ignores climate change, and called it a side-show! This world needs REAL leadership, from serious people who aren't taken in by materialism and the superfluity of greed -- not a bunch of grown men too confused by artificial things to even bother to see the real world when its burning down around them! These "leaders" are USELESS!


JB in Calgary
said

Well it looks like we already pay this tax. I have been searching a couple European Bank websites and I can't find anything in regards to monthly fees. I found that they "may charge monthly fees" but they are all associated with overdraft and if you haven't informed the bank that you will be going into overdraft. The one bank, RBS, states that there are no fees for debit cards as long as the debit machine has some symbol on it. Plus they can take out money internationally without charge, we are bent over if we use our debit cards internationally. We are already paying this "tax" but it has been going into the our local banks pocket.. The only thing that Harper is fighting for is to stop the money from going internationally. We better not have to pay this tax, because we will be paying twice what the Europeans are paying. Harper I like you, I plan to vote for you again, don't screw this up.


Scott Johnson
said

I understand what malingerer is saying, but disagree with the conclusions. Though marginal reserves are low in Canada, national banking regulations regarding the chartered banks and credit unions are designed to protect banks, creditors and account holders. National insurance plans (mortgage, account balances...) serve as a stabilizing mechanism during turbulant times. Canada has imposed the strict regulations and has stood the test of trying times. Imposing international will on the institutions can not be rationalized. Rest assured, if there is any extra expense incurred by the banks, they will pass it along to the consumer. P.M. Harper must stand his ground. Let the US and the EU tax their institutions as they see fit. Let us manage ours well, as we have been all along.


MAL of TO
said

If the other countries would stand up to the US and force them to create real and meaningful laws for banking and stocks it would go much further than a tax that will just end up bailing out Greece next year.


Kim Leaman
said

Harper is never quite honest.

1) The banks stability in Canada is due to the work of Paul Martin.

2) Harper wanted to de-regulate Canadian banks when he was in opposition.

3) The Harper Government bought $25B worth of toxic assets from Canadian banks. This is a bailout!



Tim from out west
said

@Albertaboy111I guess these forums are for expressing our opinions, but you make a lot of subjective statements as though they were fact. I could as easily say that everyone dislikes your post and thinks you're a moron. My saying it wouldn't make it true would it?


CYL
said

I'm glad that Mr Harper is not a yes man. Nothing wrong with being different.


IslandMan
said

Harper is increasingly becoming an Island on the world stage. Either he is right and everyone else is wrong or the whole world is wrong and he is right. Let me think about that.Why should taxpayers bail out banks like we bailed out GM. The problem with their bank fee is that it's being called a tax rather than an insurance levy on the banks which is what is is designed to be.If consumers can be hit with the HST then what's wrong with the banks paying their pound of flesh too?


Scene
said

@Jaret, I respect your comment, but our founding fathers never lived in a globalized market. You have to understand we are all connected now. That's why I laugh at the buy American slogan from the tea baggers. If the world decides on a bank tax, Canada will have to follow, and although our banks did it right and don't deserve to be included in this, they will be, and they will still emerge as some of the best banks in the world. We just can't have a economic collapse like this again, and politicains are trying to make sure that we never go through this crisis again.


Jim
said

Will be interested to see what comes out of this, although Harper has the right intentions, I believe he is fighting for a lost cause! The bank tax will be passed by the rest of those big countries. Even though the Canadian banks showed how to do it right, there are many other countires and banks that can't be held accountable for their actions, like Gladman Sachs for example. Hey cudos for trying Harper, although I am not a big supporter of some of your ideals and the conservative government, your still doing a pretty decent job.


Albertaboy111
said

Seems like Harper is agreeing to disagree a lot lately. Maybe if he hadn't been such a jerk in all of our international meetings he might have at least gotten an ear from these leaders. But his antics at the climate change conference have shown the world what he and his government really stand for and how they handle situations, and they don't like it. He tried the same crap he pulls in Canada on the world stage, and now he bears the fruit of those dealings. No one wants to deal with Canada anymore. Our government is sneaky, deceptive, and untrustworthy. I said it would a mistake to go at odds with the rest of the world for the sake of ideology. Now we can see just how much Canada's reputation abroad has been damaged. I remember when Canada spoke the world would listen and applaud us. We are quickly going the way of the U.S. on the world stage thanks to these republicans that have hijacked Canada.


malingerer
said

There is nothing wrong with a bank tax.. Most people don't realize how banking and the monetary system works (check into it people).. It's about fractional reserves (Canadian banks have some of the LOWEST in the world, EVEN LESS than the US banks) and causing this 'system' to have a higher degree of accountability is NOT a bad thing at all.


malingerer
said

There is nothing wrong with a bank tax.. Most people don't realize how banking and the monetary system works (check into it people).. It's about fractional reserves (Canadian banks have some of the LOWEST in the world, EVEN LESS than the US banks) and causing this 'system' to have a higher degree of accountability is NOT a bad thing at all.


Jaret
said

Why would we feel compelled to follow a "global" bank tax anyways? Last time I checked we were our own sovereign nation, and we have the right to create our own laws. If we were required to follow a "global" bank tax would that not be taxation without representation? I'm quite sure our founding fathers would not believe that to be "responsible government."


Fred
said

Yes, lets let the taxpayers pay for the mistakes of these financial institutions. The billionaire CEO's shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of lending hundreds of thousands of dollars to people who don't have steady jobs. Isn't this what got us here in the first place. Don't back down Harper!!!


Phil
said

Keep up the good work Harper! (It's just about the first time you've done something right...)


Narin
said

It's laughable for other countries to continue to believe that the banks meltdown can be prevented or saved by the so-called 'bank-tax' despite Canada has been proven that without the 'bank-tax' we can prevent those unfortunate fates from happening.


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