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Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien talks to CTV Ottawa about the city's light rail transit plan, Friday, June 4, 2010. City officials plan to build a downtown tunnel and 13 kilometres of light rail tracks as part of a new transit plan for the City of Ottawa.

Mayor says he misspoke on light rail 'affordability'

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Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien talks to CTV Ottawa about the city's light rail transit plan, Friday, June 4, 2010. City officials plan to build a downtown tunnel and 13 kilometres of light rail tracks as part of a new transit plan for the City of Ottawa.

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Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien talks to CTV Ottawa about the city's light rail transit plan, Friday, June 4, 2010.

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Date: Fri. Jun. 4 2010 6:23 PM ET

Mayor Larry O'Brien said he should have chosen his words more carefully when discussing the light rail project, adding the word "affordability" was the wrong word to use.

O'Brien told CTV that he worried a multi-million dollar rail plan wasn't affordable -- and then retracted his statement in an interview later on Friday.

He added that the city treasurer has ensured him that the project is an affordable plan for the City of Ottawa.

The mayor says he wasn't raising concerns about whether the project is affordable; rather he wanted to say that the detailed costs of the project will need to be reviewed by the next city council after a procurement process is established.

"I think this is the first seed of doubt he's cast," said mayoral candidate Jim Watson, a one-time mayor of Ottawa himself.

"If we only have $1.8 billion in funding and we have a plan that's $2.1 billion - anyone can do the math - we are already $300 million short, and that's even before tenders go out. So i suspect we are going to see a shortfall of over $300 million."

'Affordability'

Earlier today, O'Brien told CTV Ottawa the next council will need to determine if the light rail plan is an affordable choice for the city.

"Now that we have the money funding envelope together, we can go out and get some quotes and we can find out whether it is really affordable and those quotes will come back early in the next term, so we're not going to try to ramrod this thing through before the end of this term," O'Brien said Friday morning.

"We'll get through the official process of tendering, we'll get the numbers. A new council will be able to ascertain at that time about the issue of affordability, but we'll take it a long way and give the new council some exciting work to do."

The mayor added the city needs to proceed with the project, given its importance to the future of the capital.

"The question shouldn't be: can we afford to? It should be: can we afford not to?" O'Brien said.

Federal funding

The mayor made those comments Friday morning after the federal government confirmed its share of funding for the first phase of the $2.1-billion project is imminent.

Sources told CTV Ottawa the federal government will make its funding announcement late next week.

"It's a big, big, big project. It's a lot of money, but the city's a big city, it's a big government and they have to make big decisions," said Transport Minister John Baird.

When asked if the project is a good plan for the City of Ottawa, Baird said: "I'll let the city council take care of that. My job as a federal MP, as a federal minister, is to be a funding partner and that's what I'm committed to do."

Council voted 19-4 to approve the functional design of the project and move forward with an environmental assessment in January 2010.

The cost of the first phase has already ballooned from an original estimate of $1.4 billion to $2.1 billion. It includes building a transit tunnel through the city's downtown core, as well as laying light rail tracks from Blair Road to Tunney's Pasture.

The Ontario government committed its share of $600 million in funding late last year. The federal government is expected to match the provincial funding. So far, the federal government has committed $200 million to the project.

With files from CTV Ottawa's Kate Eggins and John Ruttle

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Libbe
said

Don't look now but I think Orgaworld is about to do a number on us. Will we be able to afford Orgaworld and the extravagant Light Rail System?


Swan
said

Seems to me Mayor Lying O,Brien has misspoke quite a lot since he was elected,,,


Dennis R
said

I can go back to when they were building the Queens way (417) and it was said that as most of it was to be built on raised ground (building it up) that a poured concreat tunnel be made with the Queens way on top and even though we might be able to instal a LRT at that time at least we would have the tunneling done for the future system.

As I recall Toronto wanted nothing to do with it nor the Feds and the City Council just like to day couldn't make up their minds on the issue as all three are more concerned with getting re-elected than doing their jobs and perhaps getting some folks upset with them.

My prediction is we will never get it dome now just like we couldn't get it done in the past and the bigest draw back is the people they want it but only if they can get it for peanuts, they want fast, regular transit but only for nothing, they want to clean up our air quality but only if it's free, well folks that aint a gona happen, we truly need this LRT system and as much as possible under ground out of the weather (snow, ice and such) so let's geter dune.


A Hammer doesn't cost $2000
said

G8 and G20, still doesn't need to cost $933M. If you have been listening to what the media has discovered today, you know that all these police forces have been ordering all kinds of unnecessary new hardware, stocking up for the future, for a rainy day.

I imagine that the suppliers of the LRT would love to make as much money as possible. They'll try to stick it to us. Competitive Bids would be a good way to go on this.


Travis
said

Affordable?

Larry and city council do it again. Bravo!

Just wait for the cost overruns, and major mistakes start to show up.



Cliff
said

As someone before me said "here we go again"! When is public stupidity going to see what politicians of all stripes really are--control freaks, who don't want to be responsible for decisions unless there are no problems, but want their perks and salaries.
These guys(and gals) used to get 10k a year and a small travel allowance (C. 1960). If you look at Stats Canada figures on inflation, these people have far,far outraced inflation in 50 years! They have argued that if us taxpayers don't pay them more, we won't get good candidatea. With the crap we've seen coming out of the modern politicians mouths, I'd rather see some of the ones we used to get for a lot less come back.


Davidson
said

What's the big deal here?

The mayor has been pushing for the transit plan all along. Are we surprised that he speaks off the cuff? I'm not. I'm sure he's thinking about how to make this work, from cash to political fallout.

Personally, I think he should stay the course and not worry about opportunists like Watson. That guy's nothing more than a gladhander. At least O'Brien is less skilled at bullshitting us.

I'm stickin' with the no bullshit, sometimes misspeaking, mayor. Call me nuts, but I don't want slick. I want real.


Martin
said

When is he leaving!!!
He can make a decision.


Avid News Follower
said

Politicians don't 'misspeak', shifty businessmen do. You do the math.


reidjr
said

A Hammer doesn't cost $2000
As for the g20 don't forget that is for both conferences not just one.As for $700 billion for the size of the lrt ottawa wants yes thats about right.


A Hammer doesn't cost $2000
said

remember the movie where taht guys says "you don't really believe that it costs $2000 for a hammer do you?"

Well...you don;t really believe it costs $933B for a G20 conference, or $700B for an LRT?

You know that someone is getting a buckeload of cash somewhere, and it isn't you and me, though we will see it as it leaves our pockets, if only briefly.

All our levels of government are socking away billions for a rainy day, and given the number lately, it may rain for 40 days and 40 nights, before the sewers backup.

Oh, and ever see how trains and streetcars run when it snows...yeh...not at all. If they don't do the tunnel, just like in other cities that have taken a pass on the tunnel, be prepared to see that LRT stuck or derailed, every time it snows, and even sometimes when it gets really hot for some reason??


Reener
said

Two thumbs up to Dig Deep FEDS. You are spot on. More and more people are teleworking, how many people will actually be heading downtown to a job in 20 years?

Quite frankly the only thing keeping downtown alive these days is the Federal government, and they'll never allow teleworking to the extent that private sector allows it because their unions would have a hissy fit if their entire middle management, whose only job is to babysit, disappeared.

I like the Baird quote too: When asked if the project is a good plan for the City of Ottawa, Baird said: "I'll let the city council take care of that. My job as a federal MP, as a federal minister, is to be a funding partner and that's what I'm committed to do." You certainly didn't hesitate to stick your nose in last time when your buddy Larry asked you to, why the hands-off approach this time?


Joe
said

"glenn:

Here we go again.
Dont sign any contract until after the election or taxpayers will consider it fraud."


The intelligent ones wouldn't. Are you even aware of what the term "fruad" means?


tobee
said

By the time this thing is built, I'll be retired so it's really hard to care....and I'm 35! If taxes go up, I'll just move back in with my parents. Rock on Ottawa city council. Rock on.


Same Old, Same Results
said

Aw cummon folks. Mayor O'Brien has but ONE VOTE. There are 23 other Councillors most of whom have been at City Clownsel for decades. Blame them.

It occurs to me that we have been the stupid ones. We sent O'Brien up there to make changes, and then we stupidly sent the other 23 original people, many of whom caused these problems back there for him to work with on City Council.

There is a saying, and it goes like this....

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting s different result.

I mean HELLO! If we want change next time, we better be ready to change a majority of those 23 Councillors. If we..you don't, then you are sentencing all of us to the same old same old, for another 4 years.

If you don't want that, vote for some other candidate than you did last time.

Sweep sweep...changes are coming to a council near you.


Joeli Stanford
said

Did the mayor not say as late as last October that this council needs to get the deal done?

Now he says they need to slow down and pass this on to yet another council.

Where is the leadership?


glenn
said

Here we go again.
Dont sign any contract until after the election or taxpayers will consider it fraud.


Steven
said

This stupid comment just proves Mayor O`brien needs to go .. so does this council with the constant flip flop on big plans like lrt and lansdown they can`t make up their minds on anything. We as the citizens of Ottawa need this plan to go ahead tired of the talk for over a decade and several councils not to mention regional government before amalgamation. get on with LRT GET ON WITH LANSDOWNE PARK NOW!!!!!!!


valerie
said

I am glad to see that someone is finally waking up to fact that this thing as proposed is way out of line with what the taxpayers of Ottawa can afford. I beleive that if this allowed to go through it has the potentional to raise our taxes by almost a quarter if not a third. This is something the average taxpayer cannot afford, as we still do not have the complete picture on what the HST is going to do to our household budgets. The tunnel they tried to build in Boston has cost them more than those people can afford and the same will happen to us if we do not stop it.


Dig Deep FEDS. This is YOUR PROJECT
said

The FEDS better dig deep, because this LRT will be mostly dedicated to bringing Federal Public Servants to work. Frankly, the rest of us would probably kill this deal, and SAVE OURSELVES THE CASH FOR OTHER PRIORITIES. We live in the suburbs, and work here too.

So if you FEDS want your employees at work on time, better dig deep for funds. This is really YOUR project.

DIG DEEP JOHN Baird. Really Deep.


Lex from the West
said

How did this budjet go up $700 MILLION? This is totally unacceptable!! I'm so sick and tired about the constant troubles this city has with getting an updated transit plan.Ottawa will soon have the highest taxi fares in the country with the most unreliable public transportation system. WHAT A JOKE! Come October, the public should vote against all current city councillors to get the message across that Ottawa residence will not tolorate being ripped off anymore!


happy Canadian
said

Can we afford not to?
This is an essential service. We want people using public transit. We need to clean up the downtown core.

Enough second (or eighth) guessing. Time to get 'er done!

4 years ago this council cancelled an approved plan, and instituted their own. 4 years and still not even started.

Stick to your decisions, move it forward.

Council needs to grow some cojones!


Frank
said

You just figured that out now? Us taxpayers have known since the beginning this is NOT affordable and our property taxes will balloon if this IDIOTIC, MORONIC council goes ahead with this white elephant.

I say wait until after the next municipal election so we can get rid of the big spenders like Doucet and Cullen and bring in a REALISTIC transit plan.


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