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Date: Tue. May. 18 2010 4:47 PM ET
The man overseeing Ottawa's light rail plan says the downtown tunnel will have to go far underground, as much as 35 metres or more than 100 feet. He says it's the challenges of an urban area.
"It allows us to get under the complicated utilities downtown. We minimize cost for the city by doing it that way," said John Jensen, the Ottawa rail implementation director.
Challenges include utilities and parking lots that are already underground, as well as the Rideau Canal.
Some people disagree with Jensen's theory, saying digging just below the surface would save taxpayers' money, and commuters' time.
"There were routes that would have been a lot closer to the street," says transit advocate David Jeanes.
The city says it will take people about two minutes to get from the rail platform to street level.
"They're estimating two and a half minutes, but in my experience it's more like five when you're at that depth," said Jeanes.
Other cities agree with Jensen's plan, if Ottawa makes commuters the priority.
"As long as there are good facilities, elevators and escalators, to bring people from ground level to the LRT. That's the key measure to put in place," said Joe Mihevc, chair of Toronto's Transit Commission.
Construction of the downtown tunnel is not expected to start until 2013.
With a report from CTV Ottawa's Catherine Lathem
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reidjr
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Part of the issue is there copying citys like toronto which is a big part of the probleam.
orleansguy
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Davis
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Reener
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As far as the comment on the overpass idea goes, do you actually take the bus? Crossing Laurier and Nicholas are the two worst bottlenecks on the transitway downtown. Put the buses over them so they aren't stuck at lights and backing up to the Campus station on one side, and Elgin street on the other. People running across the street on red lights at Rideau Centre don't help either.
I also don't understand how our council thinks commuting patterns will continue the same way for the next 100 years. I think there will be huge drop-offs in even the next 5 as technology allows more people work from home, or only commute a few days a week. Much easier to pull buses off the line or adjust peak service when you're not tied to rail.
jay
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The issue is the worst traffic is comming from the west not the east.
René
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Building overpasses in an era where almost every city in the world are taring theirs down or planning to.
Get real!!!!!
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Reener
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Here's a cheaper and faster plan (both to build and in terms of time saved commuting):
1. Make Hurdman and Lincoln Fields hubs and run shuttle buses every few minutes through downtown.
2. Build an overpass from Campus to Rideau to eliminate the bottleneck there.
3. Build an overpass from Bay to Lebreton to eliminate the bottleneck there.
Once the total number of buses is reduced to only shuttles, it will be smooth sailing everywhere else downtown.
Joe
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