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Students say $7.50 a day food budget is not enough

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Increasing OSAP will only add to future debt for the students. Many schools have additional assistance for those who can't or don't want to earn extra money. Learning resourcefulness is part of the college experience. I would consider helping the elderly who can't do anything about their situation rather than the students, especially those who study in large metro areas where work can be easily found.

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Students say $7.50 a day food budget is not enough

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Students say $7.50 a day food budget is not enough

Date: Sun. Mar. 28 2010 6:53 PM ET

Two Ontario university students who challenged themselves to the "OSAP Diet" -- spending no more that $7.50 a day on food while trying to eat healthy -- say it really can't be done.

Rachel Crane and Andrew Beach were two of four Ontario university students who took part in the Food For Thought initiative launched by the Ontario Undergraduate Students' Alliance. For three weeks, they stuck to the tight food budget to highlight that the Ontario government has not raised student loan limits in four years.

Beach, an undergrad at the University of Western Ontario, says while it may be possible to survive on a $7.50/ day food budget, eating nutritiously is another story.

"It's really hard. Trying to get a healthy balanced diet, getting enough fruits and vegetables, keeping your carbohydrates and protein in balance, it's really difficult on $7.50 a day," he told CTV's Canada AM Friday.

"And that's the point we wanted to prove."

For three weeks, Beach and the other three students cut their food budget to what the Ontario Student Assistance Program has decided is all that's needed for students living away from home.

The program provides loans to students who do not have the financial means to attend college or university. In calculating how much to lend to students living away from home, the program uses a "needs assessment model" that is based on what it considers reasonable allocations of costs.

OSAP's 2009-2010 outline for monthly living expenses allots $1,045 for a single student living away from home. That covers all living expenses, including food, shelter, transportation and miscellaneous. Out of the $1,045, $226 is allotted for food, which works out to about $7.50 a day or $2.50 per meal.

The Ontario Undergraduate Students' Alliance says not only is that allotment for food unreasonable, it does not allow for healthy eating -- especially in expensive cities and remote locations.

The alliance says that over a school year, the living allowance adds up to $12,540. That‘s below the Low-Income Cut-off, or poverty line, in Ontario, which currently sits at about $15,200 for rural areas, and it's well below the $22,171 poverty line in big cities.

"Right now, with OSAP, you're $3,000 below the poverty line," says Beach. "So the government is expecting students may have to live in poverty while going to university."

Crane, a student at Brock University in St. Catharines, says sticking to the diet meant eating absolutely nothing on campus, but instead bringing from home all the food and drinks that she would need each day.

"It was a lot of time management in packing that lunch, making sure you don't buy food on campus," she said.

She noted that while she survived on the diet, she did go over-budget many days. And she wonders how those who might need more calories would have fared.

"It's particularly hard for people who have special dietary concerns. Like if you're a varsity athlete, you might be consuming 3,000 calories a day," she noted.

Beach says he found that sticking to the budget meant that he cut back on fresh fruit and vegetables and says he worried about his vitamin C intake. He also tried to come up with tricks to save time and money in his food prep, such as cooking up a large batch of pasta, freezing it and using it over the week.

"But you start to get sick of pasta, you get sick of sandwiches. So we're encouraging the government to give a little bit more money so students have that additional variety," he says.

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GregV
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During my post-secondary time, I lived in six different college residences, and not one of them didn't have fridge and cooking facilities. In some cases, everyone shared a bedroom with another student, shared toilet facilities with the whole wing, took communal showers in the morning down the hallway and had a communal kitchen with our initials on the packages of food in the fridge. I can sympathize that $7.50 is not much, but the fact that these four students say hey were out to prove that fact makes me slightly skeptical. It would be interesting to put such a challenge into the hands of a larger and more neutral group of students, such as home ec or nutrition or phys ed majors. Who among them can come up with a nutritious eating plan at $7.50 per day? The results would be interesting. Maybe the goverrnmnet could issue such a challenge with a prize for "winner" who best integrates nutrition within the budget. After all, it would be helpful for all parties involved, from taxpayers footing the bill to budgeting students, for students to learn where to shop and how to eat on a budget.... If indeed it can be done at this daily rate.


j.
said

Not true, it is enough and adequate if you buy in bulk and cook yourself. This is possible, it just requires planning and budgeting ahead of time, skills that students who plan on living away from their parents should have already anticipated needing.


Marcus
said

What is the per-diem allowance for government workers when they travel on business? And what is it for our elected officials? Both answers will give us what the government thinks is fair to live on.


Brenda
said

Mike is clearly not a student, has never been a student. my student loans for a four year degree is $60,000 that I have to pay back. I did full time studies through my summers Mike. Some of us have a really hard time getting summer employment which provides minimal income that you have to be able to live on so you don't actually save money for school. I think Canadians have a huge misconception about student life. It is not easy, and even harder when we see the negative perspectives of the working-class. (which we are working hard to be part of)


Mel Blake
said

If you learn to cook your own food and wait for sales and specials, then it can be done. When I was a student I was poor as well, but I didn't expect any more than that. I wonder how much these poor students spend on cell phones, video games and booze? The $7.50/day is the government's contribution to the meals. I guess it never occurred to these people that maybe they have some personal responsibility for their won expenses too? A $50/week part time job would double their food budget and be more than enough. I had friends that worked 20hours a week while studying, and they never complained like these people. they just assumed that they had to work to get by.


brenda
said

What some of you (Dean of EDM.) don't keep in mind is that students in campus housing units do not have proper kitchens so cooking the way you would for your family is not possible, never mind the fact that to buy something in bulk requires space to keep it while you use it; have you been in a dorm? if you want to eat affordably you have to prepare for several days worth of meals and then you have no freezer to keep it in.Hmmm... so come on people, what kind of prepared or close to prepare meal can you buy for $2.50??


Helen
said

It can be done. Our family of 5 spent $7.53 per person, per day last year - I know because we track our spending and budget. We drink organic milk and buy organic as much as possible in fresh produce. We also each get at least 6 -7 servings of fruit and veg every day. By the way, our costs include some good steak and BBQ dinners too, not just bare bones food, and our regular food bank donations come out of our grocery budget. Does it take time - yes. Do we carry food everywhere we go - yes. Do we buy fast food or eat out much - no. Is it hard to fit in food buying, prep and cooking - yes. Is it a pain sometimes - yes. But it can be done. It does require some effort and creativity, a willingness to eat up leftovers, and sometimes we get tired of the same old thing.


Rory Tarant
said

My wife and I are both full-time students at the University of Lethbridge. Over the past seven months, we've spent between $280 and $340 a month on groceries. That works out to between $4.60 and $5.60 a day each. We ate plenty of fruits and vegetables and had a good balance of proteins and carbs. Never once did we feel that our nutritional needs were not being met because of a lack of funds. My advice to those who can't live on $7.50 a day for food: Stop buying packaged goods, eating out, and buying alcohol. The government should not be supporting excessive living standards.


Sheila
said

I think something needs to be said on student debt. Anyone coming out of University with $15000 per year is in the hole by $60000.00 before they even start on life. If you're not an engineer be very careful what you wish for. A better route to go would to be less debt, part time work and perhaps 5 or 6 years to get the degree. Yeah, you're a bit slower getting into your career; but the start for buying a home and all the other amenities of life will be easier to obtain. I have freinds who are a Doctor and lawyer respectively with a collective debt of over $300000.00 they will be over 40 before they can buy a house. ... any student reading this really needs to consider what they want their future to look like and how fast they need to get there.


stewart Harris
said

K, what nees to be done is Colleges and Universities need to ensure that the buildings they build contain kitchens for the people staying in residence. They see these people as CASH COWS by forcing them to eat at the cafeteria ect. The daily food allowance per person in my house is about $4.50 per day (250 per 2 weeks for family of 4) and we eat pretty good. No junk food, fresh fruits and veggies each week. They need to shop around and remember what a real portion size is. I did it 10 yrs ago when in college and my grocery allowance per week was $30. Part of being in college is learning to budget money and time too. I went to school full time and worked 5 evenings a week too


Steve, with a clue to share
said

I bet most of the commenters on here never went to university. Most of your crass advice falls far below any level of reality that most students live with. These are loans, not hand outs. Having a job, decreases the amount they will give you for the loans. Most universities don't have dorms equipped with pots, pans, stoves and freezers large enough to cook ahead. And as for partying, having rich folks or taking vacations... like I said, you're way off with your stereotypes. There are a great number of intelligent hard working people here, whom your going to turn to for answers in 20 years when your pension runs out. Be a little nicer. People don't get it, nor do they want to.


annie
said

@Annie, I would like to know where you shop, and keeping in mind what the Canada Food Guide supports. You live in a dream land. ----------------------------------------------------------------------because you don't know where the best values are, sorta negates any opinion you have on the subjest doesn't it?My god, if you don't know how to save money on groceries, just get off this topic.The original people look mighty sily and anyone that defends them look downright stupid


old man rant
said

It is not surprising to me that a lot of the poverty pleas come from students who have never been taught the difference between eating balanced home prepared meals and processed, fat/salt laden fast foods including single frozen so called healthy alternatives. I live on a medical pension, support two teenage girls and I would dearly love to have that much to spend on groceries.....but we do fine thank you and are much healthier for it. My eldest is paying her first year tuition at SFU this fall with the $11,000 she has saved. I'm sorry, no across the board sympathy from this old man.


Jan Victoria
said

What about bringing food from home? I work full time and bring a bagged lunch almost every day. If you eat out every day then you are making a choice and this is expensive whether you are in university or not!


University Graduate
said

It's called a JOB! Get one! Quit expecting to be mollycoddled by the state and use that high-priced mind of yours to solve your own problems.


Marc
said

Ramen noodles too good for them? It costs 33 cents, but a pack of hot dogs for $3 and some fruit for less than a dollar. Rest of that can go to drinks.


holla joe
said

If youre not living at home, why do you assume wherever they're living doesn't have a stove, fridge or freezer? If you're not living at home you're living at a) an apartment, or b) res/dorms. Both of which have all the necessary appliances. You don't need to have 30 cubic feet of freezer space to freeze some meat that was on sale. Eating OUT on $7.50 a day is impossible. Eating for $7.50 a day is not.


Andrew
said

I've gone through my entire degree on student loans and have had no issues with money. My parents didn't help me out either. Most if not all schools offer needs based bursaries for students with government loans. I have recieved 1000's of dollars from programs like these. With loans and bursaries I have never had to work part time during school either. Students need to look into this stuff and stop complaining about everything.


annie
said

@Annie, I would like to know where you shop, and keeping in mind what the Canada Food Guide supports. You live in a dream land. -----------------------------------------------------------------The lastv time i bought a couple of campbell soup flats was for 440 cents a tin, as compared to the 1.29 regualar price.I never pat over 2 dollars for anything, meat included.If you're a smart shopper, you can save bushels of cash, not so it seems iuf you go to a university.The students than clain this are irresponsible buffoons. I'd have thaought our universities could at least teach basic living 101?


MJ
said

I have 2 people living on $5.35 a day! Think they should be able to feed 1 on $7.50


AW Edmonton
said

We just had four kids complete university and college and everyone of them WORKED. The restaurant industry is a marvelous place for college students to earn big money. Our kids even made enough to afford their own vehicles in the end. .. and they all finished in the top 20% of their class. It's called being industrious not looking for handouts.


edfromwpg
said

i have been a university student for 6 years. I'm on my second degree, i have about 50 000 $ in loans so far ( provincial, federal, bank ) and have 1 more year to go. i do not party, drink, do drugs,smoke, or spend money frivorusly. I have no cable, no car, and spend most of my time doing homework or learning some more to expand my overall knowledge. I'm in field placement 2.5 days a week, study full time, and have no energy at the end of the week to even think of working part time -if i did, there would be no way that i could have such a hectic learning schedual, try and keep my grades up ( A 's are a dream, c's & b's are reality ) . because of these grades, boursaries are out of my league. time management : i buy bulk, i cook, i freeze in advance. i make my own bread. I pack food in my backpack- but i dont always plan on being out of the house longer than what was originaly planned, but it happens. and there is only so much food a person can pack with them when you need room for textbooks, binders. no iphone or ipod - i still use my portable CD player and a dying 4 year old cellphone. I get my freinds to cut my hair. i also have some health issues forcing me to eat healthy, and fruits & vegies that are fresh are not affordable in winter. after all of this, i agree that 7.50$ is not enough in an average day ( if it were, i wouldnt have to spend hours in a thrift store to find clothes that fit. )


Sask Girl
said

As a university grad, who relied on student loans and my job to get me through, I am really suprised by the comments that students have plenty due to discounts in tuition and tax payer dollars. Tuition is astromically high, and student loans don't even begin to cover what it will cost to go to university. Most of us don't live close enough to a university to live at home. It's pretty frustrating when you are required to have post secondary education if you even want to think about a good paying job, and then you spend the next ten years paying back the loan at what ends up being twice what we borrowed. But then again, raising the amount that is loaned to students is not going to solve the problem...it will just make it harder for students once they graduate and are slammed with high interest rates and even higher payments (and even the poor ecomony doesn't decrease our interest rates). This is why students live on KD.


Sean
said

So many comments from people that don't know what they're talking about. I came from a poor family and no universities were within 3 hours of my house. My only choice was student loans. OSAP gave me $9075 to cover $4500 tuition, $3500 residence, and the rest was supposed to cover books and food. Books cost $900 (engineering). I had $1175 for food and EVERYTHING ELSE for the year. During the summer I literally starved. While unemployment was at 11%, youth unemployment was over 25%. It took 3 weeks of living off 1/2 cup pasta and water per day before I got a part time job at Subway. Oh, and after 2 weeks of that diet, you get very bad diarrhea and weak. That job wasn't enough to cover rent, so to prevent going homeless I had to go on welfare.. $300 to cover a month of rent, staying with the same diet (6" subway sub was allowed with my shift, which was paradise). 3 weeks after that I finally found a full time labourer job, still minimum wage but enough to cover rent and some food. I managed to save $500 by the end of the summer for the next poverty stricken OSAP funded year of university.The coldness of beauracracy of OSAP is deplorable. There is no PERSON to talk to or plead with about it - it is all forms and faceless, nameless decisions. There is nobody to appeal to; I sent a letter to the Minister of Training, Colleges and Universities, but recieved no response.Even rabid Convervatives can't object to increasing OSAP funding! THE MONEY IS NOT TAX PAYER MONEY.. it is loaned from private banks! Second, it is not GIVEN as a hand out... these are loans!


Gtiguy27
said

I would like to know how much money per week or month these two spend on alcohol at the campus pub... But really, I am mistaken, Pina Collada's fall into the fruit category on the nutrition table..Please!


John Meron
said

I agree with Fiend, AB Why the heck should the government pay for all your food. Get a part time job a few hours a week and supplement your handout. I would rather the Government take away the $ 7.50 a day and give it to the elderly. They put the money in the kitty in the first place and no one bought them .50 worth of food each day.


Erica N
said

As a university student, i completely understand the need for more OSAP allowance on good food. I'm pretty good at managing money, but eating is expensive, even while looking for sales, it's difficult for many reasons. You can't shop bulk in most cases, because in rez especially, you don't have the space or option of freezer space at your disposal. And let me tell you, prices have gone up, especially for healthy food with people watching their diets and the weather issues which highjack the fruit and veggie prices.I resent a lot of the comments about OSAP being wasted on the bar. Sorry, but even students deserve a night out now and then, and most of us are careful. Also (Mike), not everyone has the option of things like staying at home to go to school to save money, or the means (30 hrs of class and no means of transportation to get to a job) to work during the yearWhat harm could it really do to give students more to work with? it's not like OSAP doesn't make more than enough of it back with interest anyway, considering almost everyone needs it.


Fraser
said

Suck it up 'buttercups'. Welcome to the real world of budgeting and stretching a buck and setting your priorities correctly. I have been a single parent for many years and know how to do this. It is not rocket science figure it out. You make choices to eat, party, get drunk, have a cell phone, or vacation in Florida on spring break. You choose. I am sick of the entitled generation that thinks they are supposed to have it all right away before they have even graduated. BTW your parents didn't have it all in their formative years...ask them.


Jeimus
said

Students should get more if they really need it, on the condition that they waive any future application/request for loan forgiveness when they graduate. I received and paid back more than 10K (plus interest) worth of student loans while several of my former classmates received loan forgiveness that neary doubled that and some of them never even graduated!


bc grrl
said

these students were not saying that it can not be done, they are saying that a healthy and balanced diet can not be attained at these costs! it is far 'cheaper' to buy processed boxed crap (kraft dinner, ichiban noodles, canned msg laden soup) than it is for them to purchase better choices like fresh produce and dairy. it is cheaper to make bad food choices than it is healthy ones and here in lays the problem, the federal government needs to take away the tax breaks to the multinationals and give them to the producer/farmers who can then pass the cost savings onto the consumer. a change in direction needs to happen, we can live with out boxed pasta from a factory in china but we can not live with out fresh fruit and veggies!


momofboys
said

We have a food budget of $550 per month for a family of six (all kids over the age of 13!) These university students should quit whining and learn how to shop smarter. There are plenty of website on frugal living - educate yourself.


Greg Hoskin
said

I like the sound of "Medical Loans" for old baby-boomers - we can call is OMAP (Ontario Medical Assistance Program). Need that new hip? You can take out a loan - personal responsibility! Maybe we can give you a $7.50/day food budget too. It seems a lot of the people posting think students should suffer, suffer and suffer some more.The fact that we even need LOANS to attend school that we require in order to get a basic entry-level job is awful. Remember 30 to 40 years ago when education was free to almost nothing?Well, look at the national debt and wonder who is paying for the money you fools spent - we are, this generation. We are paying your debts, and we are going into debt ourselves just to enter into the Game of Life.So don't complain when you're old and sick in the hospital and we de-list a bunch of medical procedures and make you pay for it yourself.OMAP is on the way!


Rachel
said

in order to cook you need to have access to a kitchen.... and many students have to live on rez... they dont' have a kitchen in which to cook... so they are stuck having to eat pre cooked junk, also for those who think that all students do is drink smoke and party and vacation... there are plenty who don't do that and yet they still can't afford to eat. getting a job is great until as a student you make too much money and OSAP takes away the money you made, or if you can't find a job... sure get a summer job.. make just enough money that you dont' qualify for OSAP and that amount isnt' enough to continue in school...


Mark J
said

The assumption is that all students have a wealthy family backing them up. It simply isn't the case.


Pat, Halifax
said

It amuses me how many commenters seem to assume that these particular students who conducted this experiment drink, party frequently, vacation in Florida, have parents who are well enough off to be able to help them and whose home is close enough to a university that they should be able to live at home.From the perspective of a student, most of the above are just steryotypes that are perpetuated by the actions of a relativly small percentage of the university going population. Yes some of students do or have one or more of the above, however many do not. Please give those trying to live and eat properly a chance without assuming the worst.


ry085
said

This for MEL who said your family lives off 120$ for 5... you know it is easier and cheaper to cook for 5 compared to 1? As well, if your living in a dorm you do not have space to store all your foods, nor cook meats.. therefore you have BUY your FOOD! which is pricy on campus!!


Donna furneaux
said

Oh My Gosh! Having to bring a boring sandwich every day ! Golly gee whiz! How tough! I went to University for 4 years and I brought my lunch EVERY DAY and a thermos of tea. I also had to travel to and from University every day.. that took the better part of 2 hours out of my life. The experience made me a better manager of my life. So STOP WHINING and start managing your life, you overfed brats!


Mead
said

Everyone deserves a chance to go to university, either the rich spoiled kid or the poor hungry driven kid who wants a better life. Nobody should be forced to live below the poverty line in Canada. Eating unhealthy does not lead to a healthy mind. I was forced to live below poverty 25 years ago when I struggled through university as a poor kid. It was not only tough budget-wise, it was tough mentally competing against well fed rich kids for grades. I made it and can only think negatively against the powers that be in deciding poor universisy students don't have to eat properly. These kids are Canada's future, and are forced to live below poverty. This was disgraceful 25 years ago and nothing has changed. Poor students are treated as secondhand baggage.


Ange
said

To those that live in a home with a full kitchen, $7.50 might seem like a superflous amount of money to feed themselves with. Would it still remain feasible to maitain a healthy and balanced diet while living in a university residence equipped with nothing more than a bar size refrigerator (bought by said student at a consignment store). I think people are assuming that all of these students have access to stoves, freezers etc. I fear most do not and for those students, $7.50 a day would be a strain.


Only rich Canadians have a RIGHT to an education!!
said

Most students attending post-secondary education, at least at my facility, are mature students. I believe 60% are over the age of 26. I know many of them including myself. I do not drink, I do not do drugs, I do not eat out excessively, I don't have cable television, only the internet to complete assignments for online courses. I do however have one daughter, as such I sit at home alone about 360 nights of the year. She is two years old. Other than a couple of hundred dollars no more than twice a year there is no extra funding at my university to help me. In fact, there isn't a single program or club for mature students despite the fact that most students at UNBC are mature and/or parents. I am a sole support parent. I come from a family of drug addicts and alcoholics but have never wanted to live my life that way. I have no one to care for my daughter. I have tried to work two jobs. At one job I brought home 4 dollars an hour after paying the babysitter and was forced to quit because I had to turn down three shifts in a row because I had no one to care for my daughter and union rules said they could fire me. At the second job I tried, I brought home 1.50 an hour after paying the babysitter. On top of making next to nothing, my daughter was being raised by someone else. I am on Ontario student loan, I get straight A's in school and want to be a doctor. I don't have money to pay the rent this month. I dont' have parents I can turn to. And yes, Student Loan knows but they apprently can't help me.


matt
said

This actually isn't all that bad, in the Katimavik Program, you are expected to live off of $5/day, granted you're in a group, but it can, and it has, been done.


Marty
said

People had mentioned that students can work part-time or get help from their parents. Years ago when I was in college, I could not get a job at 19 because I had no former work experience and that was even for Wendy's! I left home at 17 due to family break down and my parents were of no assistance to me whatsoever. Why can't the OSAP program actually address the needs of each student individually? Other countries seem to get their students through post-secondary with out starting them with heavy debt- why can't ours? And I don't think OSAP is necessarily the answer. When I graduated I started my "adult" life with a $32,000 debt (for 4 years of college). And they don't give you a break - hell, they charge you 2.5% above prime. 10 years later and I am still paying it off. No wonder the average Canadian's debt has increased.


steve
said

Campuses better add a Subway for 3.00 they have breakfast and 5.00 for a 6-inch sub. Woops I'm over already ..lolHmm if you figure it out , put it on the National News we would all like to know!


Portes
said

Sorry I have no sympathy for these students. I worked 3 jobs and work almost 18 hours a day to put myself through University. So what I say is get a job and pay for your living expenses. I did not expect a hand out from government, it was my decision to go to university,so I paid my way


Hannah Herman, Nanaimo, BC
said

Right now in BC a single person living on assistance receives 6,120 dollars a year to cover everything including lodging,utilities, groceries, etc On that amount he must try to look for work. Now what amount are you students complaining about!!!!


College student not living off of OSAP
said

Most students living in residents don't have the proper appliances to store large quantities of food. In fact, many of them share refrigerators. At least in my town. They also cannot live with their parents because they are from other cities. Most don't have the luxury of staying in their hometown to attend a local college or university. As for them working while receiving OSAP...that is a big no no! They can be deducted and loose out on osap money the next semester while trying to survive through the current one. lot of parents don't make enough or haven't saved enough to pay the full amount for their children. Food prices have increased and I think OSAP should be adjusted as times change.


Dean in Abby
said

@ Old Ted- I wish more people had your common sense and ideals. The country wouldn't be in such a socialistic mess if more people thought like you and I. At what time in a person's life do we expect them to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It seems in this ever increasing socialistic society, that less and less responsibility is becoming the norm.


Scott ONT
said

Part time work? Summer employment? I bet these students still find time to party lol... give it a rest


Scott Blasket
said

Students, quit smoking the weed, stop spending money on booze and get a part time job!I used to own a bar in North Bay, Ontario. It wasn't unusual to see students spending well over $100 per night on a drinking binge. I had to close my bar when Canadore College and Nipissing University opened up their own nightclub. Their bar called "The Wall" is always packed with drunk students!The liquor stores are always lined up with students on the weekends.The students in this article only want a handout. I know from experience when I was a student that most spent their money on stereos, booze, and drugs. A lot of students have no intentions of ever paying back those loans!


KasperW
said

It all depends on one's location. As a student living in downtown Toronto, living on less than $7 per day is easy. My roommates and I shop in Kensington market, where one can get fresh meats, fine European cheeses, bakery bread, a variety of ethnic foods, and quality fruits and vegetables for very cheap. I am eating healthier and better now than I was at home in a less-urban environment. However, for someone living in a smaller town with only a big box grocery store, this may be far more difficult, particularly if the culinary skills are not there.


Mich
said

It's a loan. So if they were to get more for food, then they would be paying back MORE than that. I went to school full time and managed to work part time that I didn't need to borrow any money. It's tough, for sure, but it CAN be done so they don't need to borrow to eat.


FutureBuilder
said

The point of the $7.50/day food allowance is to provide enough money to buy food. It is NOT to eat luxurious. However, with that being said, I'm a third year engineering student who has every intention of paying off my debt. My problem is not having a large enough student loan to cover all my costs. I have too much school work to get a part time job, and there aren't enough scholarships to go around. My parents don't have enough to help me financially, and I have no mode of transportation. I'm not exactly "whooping it up" like some posters seems to think us college types are. I think all those party goers are funded by mommy and daddy, or there university careers are exhalted in a year or two of poor scholastic performance.P.S - I don't buy clothes every weekeend, eat out, or drink my money away either. The only thing I own is a bed. I just want to be able to pay rent, electric and internet bills on time so my credit isn't ruined by the time I get into the real world and work. I think a brain that could potentially be building your roads and infrastructure should be properly nourished, don't you?


Frank Buchan
said

Most of the students who suffer this problem were probably never taught to cook by their parents, and that lack of knowledge leads to prepared foods being a requirement. Even still, regardless of that, real people survive on no assistance every day and manage to do it.Even a few hours part time, especially at a grocery store, would provide both the extra income to add to that budget; and, since some stores offer an employee discount, you might even get your groceries cheaper. There are options.


Peter
said

If you are on gov't assistance, you should be required to take an extra class then, financial management coupled with basic self-skills on homemaking. They call it life-skills in high school. The joke is that most post-secondary residences do not allow cooking implements in the dorms. So not only do you not get enough money, you are simply not capable of cooking and saving your own food. Bumping up the money these children receive will not help them, it will only serve to exacerbate the debt they have no clue that they are getting themselves into.


Doug # BC
said

I like the post by "Rick in NB". I agree more with the statement about the elderly.While I DO NOT believe taxpayers owe them a lige time of luxury living,and DO believe that everyone has a responsibility to save for their retirement ,and to secure their incomes after they are no longer able to work.many who thought they did that are now close to poverty.Low interest rates are a boon to home buyers,but savers that used those interest payments to supplement their pensions are hurting badly.And these are not people who lived high and fancy,but people who thought they did the right thing. "Ricks" point about the young being the future of Canada is well taken,and one that is cited frequently by the political left to advocate for more "free" programs.I do not suggest that notion is entirely wrong,but I do not believe it should be used as an excuse to advocate for more universally available grants or "free: programs.Anything more that we direct towardfs supporting higher levels of funding for university should be directed at individuals who have demonstrated a higher level of motivation and interests in fields of learning that will actually lead to a carreer.Universal access sees taxpayers paying to much for career students who want to study more as a hobby,or to avoid actuallyy earning a living,and people who simply lack the dedication to succeed in school.We need to spend less on some to free up funding for those who are very likely to succeed. Of course,the ones Canadas future depends on,are the ones who are driven to succeed at doing something useful,rather than just being a student. Like health care,throwing more "free" money at the programs is not going to fix the problem.


RZ
said

$7.50/day for food not enough? Are these students out of their minds? When I was in college not too long ago, I was able to eat decently while spending only $5.00 - $6.00 per day, and the local grocery store was relatively expensive compared to other places. It's all a matter of monitoring your spending and cutting back on non-essential items such as eating out.


kimbee1969
said

Baahaaa... Our household makes about 154,000 per year. We have myself, husband and 3 teens to feed and I still budget about $400.00 per month for food. I make almost all our meals, bake etc... we eat very well. Do the math it can be done.


Brian In Sarnia
said

Okay people. OSAP deducts the amount they give you, if you earn money. Not all students have parents period... let alone parents who can afford to help. For those who do wish to help, living with them isn't always an option, as I'm sure you all realize that not every city and town in Canada has a university. It costs money to travel. With so many people out of work in this country, and the opportunities to actually make a decent wage on the decline, what makes you think every student "should just work" to help get through school? I'd rather those jobs go to the parents out there who need the 2 and 3 part time jobs to feed their kids. This isn't the same world most of you opinionated hypocrites grew up in. On the other hand, I know for a solid fact it is more than possible to eat healthy on less than $7.50 a day. There are tons of lessons out there as to how to do so. People like Clara the Depression Cook, or Willi Nolan have been teaching this stuff for years. Though it's not possible in every city, or with the variety most people crave, you can eat well, even in rough times, like university years.


Anne Smith
said

There should the same amount of money allowed as for prisoners. You do not hear them complain, food must be awesome! Now, just think what seniors eat in institutions, hot dogs much too often and other stuff, which most of you would not even try.


R / H
said

Well now, how about the Students surviving on our (Pensioners) Food Allowance? For myself and my wife, we spend max $400.00 per month on food! That's all we can afford! What with rent, hydro, phone, medication and all the other necessary items. Not too much nutritional food goes across our gums (we do have a few teeth left though) $7.50/day equates to $227.32 per person. So my wife and I have LESS than students for food per month ($227.32 X 2 = $454.65 per month)


Students are Spoiled
said

I am a university student. I am able to live on $60 of groceries a month. This is because I do waste my money on eating out every day/week or going to the bar, etc, etc.If you looked at all the iPods, phones and clothes university students have (not to mention the phone bills they pay), you would have a lot less compassion for them "only" having $7.50 a day for food. OSAP should not be designed to cover students' every need, but to be supplementary support as they go through university.Oh yes, I'm not on OSAP and I live away from home and my parents are NOT supporting me. I make sure that my lifestyle fits my budget, not the other way around.


Dayton
said

I farm and across the road is a pile of wheat harvested last fall around 10,000 bushels or 600,000 loaves of bread. This is one of literally 1,000's of piles. Problem is nobody wants the stuff and there happens to be a glut (or so they say). With in a month when it starts to rain that pile of wheat will turn into chicken feed if it's not picked up. The price of this wheat today is 25% less than it was when I started farming 27 years ago. Go figure!!!


Jay
said

The loan amount should definately be raised. From personal experience being a university student in Ottawa it can be difficult to live on a budget that small. And the argument that kids should live at home if they don't have a lot of money for school is not a good one in my opinion. Yes some kids are lucky enough to live close enough that they can do that, but other kids like myself live an hour and a half from the closest university. That is unreasonabl to expect kids to drive that everyday. Also with tuition fees constantly rising living expenses aren't the only issue for students today. And lets all remember that this is a loan, it will be paid back, so we just need to put a little more money in in the first place. Wouldn't you want everyone else to help you or your children to have the right to a post-secondary education.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

OSAP stands for the "Ontario Student Assistance Program." Notice that it's not OSWP, or the "Ontario Student Welfare Program." Learn to buy and prepare your own food, monkeys. As well, ask your parents why they're part of a selfish and irresponsible generation of materialistic knuckleheads who never properly saved for your education from the date of your birth and, instead, spent most of their money on designer clothes, restaurant meals, exotic vacations, an oversized fancy house with a giant mortgage, and a couple new, shiny, and expensive cars every 4 years. Ask your dumb parents how/why some of your other friends' parents, with less socioeconomic "status," managed to pay for their university education. Now, get back to studying. Grasp the lesson, and vow to do better for your children. (OSAP has long been misused and overused. Its purpose is entirely valid, however. The problem resides with the "entitled" applicant families, not the program.)


PriorStudent
said

I worked while attending University to supplement my OSAP, and never starved. The more OSAP you receive correlates to more you need to repay.


ryder in Cold Lake
said

OSAP, from what I have just read, is a loan with a maximum of $1,045 per month per student. If the $226 is allotted for food and these students are complaining about not getting enough money from the Government, there is an easy solution ... get a part-time, stay out of the bars, quit drinking and smoking, sell your car as that is not a requirement for healthy eating. I have a family of 4 and can tell you that at your rate of $226/month or $900/month for a family of four is more than enough to eat healthy, by the way, I budget $600/month for groceries. Time for these students to learn the fine art of living on a budget and get their priorities in line.


eddytoronto
said

Sit the children down give them a good talking to – no, not about the birds and the bees, but about ‘how our generation and the two behind it, screwed their world into a death spiral through greed and predatory capitalism. You will face sticker shock this year. Canada will become an undeveloped nation by 2014 there will be food, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts. We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas….we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place….putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree. Canada is going to go through a transition the likes of which no one is prepared for at least many of you. The consequences of what we have seen with the bailouts of private companies by our Goverment. This year will lead to a lowering in living standards for all including my-self while Bay st and Wall Street, insurance companies take over Goverment. Obamacare will bring more employers to cut jobs because of the mandate by insurance companies(Goverment) to pay them. You will see after Jan 1st millions of job losses in the U.S. We’re starting to seeing huge areas of vacant retail in Toronto and surrounding areas . It’s going to be a picture the likes of which Canadians are not going to be used to. It will be a lot worse than than 1929 Depression, people’s minds weren’t wrecked on all these modern drugs – over-the-counter drugs, or crystal meth or whatever it might be. So, you have a huge underclass of very desperate people with their minds chemically blown beyond anybody’s comprehension. So there you have it!


Pip
said

As one poster noted, these students did not find a good grocery store. For example, Superstore has a display of fruits and vegetables that may be slightly bruised or wilted - but perfectly good to eat - and at a fifty percent markdown. Their no-name brand pastas, cereals and meats are considerably cheaper than brand names. That leaves only dairy products, and they can be expensive. However, the availablity of such discounted foodstuffs does mean that $7.50 per day is distinctly possible. So long as the food is nutricious, why must it cost a lot? Seniors make their shrinking pensions go further by just such strategies: I know, am one, and I do.


CraigW
said

They think it's tough now? Wait until they get into the real world. A part time job earning $45 a week wil double their food budget. It might be tough to give up a few hours of free time a week to be able to get by, but welcome to my (and pretty much every other adult's) world. Good motivation to stay in school and study hard.


Fool Writer - Okotoks
said

Considering I am a University Student, this is complete bullcrap coming from these students. It is EXTREMELY easy to eat for $7.50/day. They need to get a Costco membership and buy large quantities for much cheaper. For me (I know how to cook too, which most of these students don't), I spend about $1/day on breakfast, $2/day on lunch and the rest of it on a good dinner. I can understand $7.50/day is not enough if you are buying prepackaged food all the time, as these products are expensive. But, if you go to a GROCERY STORE and buy FRESH FOOD, it is real easy to eat well for $7.50/day


Joel Bain
said

Here in France, it would easily be possible!


Mitch _Uof T
said

WOW have people really become that removed from reality. OSAp is for education expenses NOT for living expenses.If my fellow students were going to school or not they would still need to eat. I work a summer job and part time during school. I will probably graduate with about 8K i n student loans. WHY because i work while going to school.I know tonns of friends who do not work and solely live off OSAP. THey drink like fishes, party on borrowed money and vacation in florida for spring break. Give me a break, it is the biggest scam out there and some students abuse it.I view my OSAP as a loan to pay my education costs NOT my cost of living. Sorry folks totally disagree with this attitude of entitlement.;GET A JOB suppliment your income. But i guess we teach student to be dependant on the system young. Any wonder why they grow up demanding their handouts?


millsklm
said

@Annie, I would like to know where you shop, and keeping in mind what the Canada Food Guide supports. You live in a dream land.


Leslie, Monkton
said

Yes, there are many ways to economize and save money on food, but these suggestions all assume access to a kitchen with a freezer to store all the prepared-in-bulk meals and the time to make the meals. Students do need to focus on learning and unfortunately, not all of them have learned culinary skills at home. Buying food in smaller quantities is always more expensive, but without proper storage facilities (e.g. large fridge and freezer), buying in bulk can be more expensive in the long run if the food goes bad before it can be used. I do not think we need to go overboard subsidizing students, but $7.50/day is a bit unrealistic, particularly if a student is truly trying to live on something more healthy than KD and bologna.


Mo
said

I see plenty of benefits of increasing the loans. Helps students out, and the money assuming it gets repaid interest, isn't a loss to the government in the long run.


brenda
said

Students, you haven't lived untill you've eaten Kraft dinner everyday for a month..try it, you'll lke it. Lots of part time jobs await you!


UniversityGrad
said

OSAP provides financial assistance, but is probably not intended to be the only source of income. Get a part-time job!


mel
said

$7.50 a day is HUGE. My family of five lives on $120 a week, That's the equivalent of $3.42 a day per person.And we still eat healthy. Anyone who complains of having to live off $7.50 a day should be taught to make do with less.


Starving Student
said

All I got to say is that they don't really care about us!Really anyone that think students should suck it up and live in poverty are hypocrites.


Considering the big picture
said

Plenty of people work to earn their way through post secondary education and never take a loan to do so. Is it hard work-you bet-good preparation for the world when you are on your own without parental support.Why is it that we keep seeing these news articles about students that expect to zip through their degree on tax payers backs, huge loans or parental handouts?Post secondary education must be earned, it is not a right.


The Widowmaker
said

I live in a University city. I see how these poor students live. I have NO sympathy for them. Our downtown has sooo many bars cause these students seem to need to go drinking all the time. If they can afford to go to the bars and have all these house party's people are complaining about all the noise and their b.s. What's more import to them? Food or parting all the time?


Jeff
said

I've attended post-secondary institutions and have been on OSAP. I can successfuly say I've paid off over 35K in OSAP loans within 6 years. During my time in school and on OSAP, I managed well - it was all about budget management and knowing when to say no to peer pressure. What was also neglected in this article which I know happens is students complain about the high cost of school and food, but no one mentions how students go to Florida on Winter break, or party a couple of times at the bar a week. What about this? If students are so poor, stop partying and going to Florida on winter break. For, as long as they do this as a former student, I have no sympathy. The tax payers should not have to pay a lavish lifestyle.


PeterP
said

Increasing OSAP will only add to future debt for the students. Many schools have additional assistance for those who can't or don't want to earn extra money. Learning resourcefulness is part of the college experience. I would consider helping the elderly who can't do anything about their situation rather than the students, especially those who study in large metro areas where work can be easily found.

annie
said

Seems they don't know where or how to shop for food? One person can very easily live off of far less than $7.50 a day.


Old Ted
said

Students will learn pretty quickly that eating out at restaurants or even school cafeterias costs a lot more than eating at home. You take a bag lunch to school. I took mine to school and work which was most of my life so far.There is a real learning curve to economizing, especially if you have never done it. My wife and I grew up with not much money so we we were better prepared than a lot of people. There is also something called work. It's a great way to earn some money to get through school. This can start when you are old enough to earn some money, when you are say 12 or 13 and might just give you a head start when college/university time comes. The country can't afford to put everyone through school, nor life. Somewhere along the line you have to take responsibility for yourself, although this is a concept that is being lost in this increasingly socialist country.


Fiend, AB
said

Quoted from the story:"It was a lot of time management in packing that lunch, making sure you don't buy food on campus," she said. End quote. Yep. That's tough. Wait until you get into the real world. When I first started out in business, $225 (converted to today's dollars) was more than what I had to spend on groceries/month. Student loans are to cover the necessities, not "variety". Either find a means of paying for that "variety" without going looking for handouts or live with it. Necessity breeds innovation, and that is what I expect of our best and brightest.


Dennis L. Krahn
said

I am a consultant, I cannot ever remember my LOA having allotted meals at $ 7.50/day! It appears that our governments are bound to make it as difficult as possible for natural born Canadians to get an education. Perhaps we need to reduce what politicians get and pour that money into the future of our country.


Peter
said

It took a whole project to figure that out? $7.50/day for healthy food?? McDonald's is much more expensive than that!


Mike
said

Students are not expected to live below the poverty line to go to university. On top of the taxpayer money made available to them they have money they could earn during the summer months, the opportunity to work part time while attending classes and they have parents who could help them. Or they could live at home if they can't afford to live on their own. Please tell the whole story when you report on these matters. We the people are not stupid. A university education in this country is already offered at an incredible discount due to tax money funding these institutions - don't try to make us believe that we are starving our young people as well.


Algonquin student
said

For sure it can't be done especially when you consider the prices the colleges themself charge for food. At mine you'd need $5-6 just for lunch at the cafe to get like a sandwich or hot dog combo. vVnding machines are even worse where pop is $2, chocolate bars $1.50 both those prices are twice as much as what the dollar store charges for the same product . There are cheaper options off campus like some pizza places offer lunch specials for $3 dollar slices and pop. But it costs way more to get something healthy and not really affordable on a student budget.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

Now multiply this nutrition problem by two and you will see how well the elderly fare. Our future lies in our youth, our knowledge lies in the elderly, yet we sweep their needs under the proverbial carpet like unwanted dirt.


DeanEdmonton
said

My first reaction is naturally "oh ya whiners", but after some thought, if we ARE going to be lending out money for students, then that is in fact a very low food allowance, but not as grossly low as the students want you to think. I'm far from being poverty line, and raise a family of five on actually not much more than that after figuring it out. What they need to do, IMHO is buy bulk, family sized packages of pork chops, and watch for deals. Cook and freeze, which is something else I do. When Hamburger goes on sale, I buy a bunch and freeze meatballs. They had huge hams for less than 15 bucks each the other day, I bought three. One ham cooked, sliced, and frozen goes along way for one student.


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