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Asylum claims from Mexico, Czech Republic at zero
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Date: Wed. Jul. 29 2009 4:15 PM ET
There have been virtually no asylum claims from Czech or Mexican nationals in the two weeks since the federal government required them to obtain travel visas before visiting Canada, Immigration Minister Jason Kenney said Wednesday.
On July 13, the Conservative government announced it was imposing the new visa requirement on the two countries because they are the two top sources of refugee claims, many of which turn out to be unwarranted.
In an interview with CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife before a Conservative caucus meeting in Ottawa, Kenney said Canada has received only one refugee claim from the two countries since a 48-hour grace period ended on July 15.
"I think this is working. It's allowing the legitimate visitors to come and it's screening out the bogus asylum claims," Kenney said during the interview, which was broadcast on CTV News Channel.
According to Immigration Department figures, refugee claims from Mexico have tripled since 2005. More than 9,400 claims were made in 2008 and claims from Mexico were up 50 per cent in the first half of this year, Kenney said.
Since a visa requirement for Czech nationals was lifted in 2007, claims rose to about 3,000 in 2008, compared to five in 2005.
Many of the Czechs seeking asylum in Canada come from the Roma minority, who have long been persecuted throughout Europe.
The new rules require nationals from both countries to apply for a Temporary Resident Visa. The applicants must prove they do not intend to say in Canada past their approved time, they have enough money for their stay and that they are in good health and not a security risk.
"At the end of the day, we had no choice if we wanted to protect the integrity of our asylum and immigration system," Kenney said. "We don't want to have a two-tier immigration system: a really fast one for people who arrive at the airport as false asylum claimants who get a work permit and sometimes welfare benefits, and a longer, much slower system for legal immigrants who come here patiently. That's totally unfair."
Kenney said the government would like to one day lift the visa requirement, but that will require an overhaul of the asylum claim system to make it faster and less susceptible to abuse.
Right now, asylum seekers can have their case heard before the Immigration Refugee Board, but can sometimes wait upwards of 18 months for a decision. If their claim is denied, they can then file an appeal with the federal court, which can cause further delays.
This all means a bogus refugee claimant can spend years in Canada, Kenney said.
Kenney said he is open to suggestions from his parliamentary colleagues about how to streamline the refugee claims process, including a dedicated refugee appeal board.
"If we could streamline the system, make it move a lot faster, a refugee appeal board would make a lot of decisions where you could have a clear appeal and would probably reduce further appeals to the federal court," Kenney said. "But only if we can streamline and speed up the system."
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I fail to see just what a minister could learn by an on site visit that he couldn't get from people who are actual experts in the various fields of work involved. It is doubtful that he is any sort of nuclear engineer or expert in construction. Just another photo op...
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Token conservative
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BadP
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Poor prosecuted Gypsies are prosecuted there for a reason: they don't mix with the rest of the society, they don't work, they wander around the country looking for things to steal and re-sell, don't mind drug trafficing or kidnapping a runaway girl and selling her to prostitution ring.
Once public tolerance reaches its limit in one place, they move to another. It seems that they feel good in Canada. Do we really want them here?
Virginia
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Steve, alb
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Bev Mc Toronto
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Randy
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reece
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$400 for a VISA
$150 for medical tests.
30 day wait for processing or longer.
Who's really gonna spend that kind of energy and time to come here? And why the medical check ups when American travelers come here to give birth because they can't afford the for-profit hospitals in their own country? Maybe we should start requring all visitors to have medical insurance prior to arrival since the Fraser Vally Health does not persue American medical refugees for the bills they leave behind.
Kris D.
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Getting fitted for a new sweater-vest perhaps?
Or is he too busy making more stupid attack ads while our country goes deeper and deeper into debt with no plan to get out of it?
Joyce
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Due to Assylum seekers, the system gets bogged down, and those immigrating the proper way are the ones who are paying for the lengthy waits, which has been so for far too long.
The system needs revamping in order that those applying through the channels for Immigration to Canada, get a fairer chance of their application being processed in faster time then what they are facing up to now.
Remarkable
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As a Canadian, I am sick and tired of people who come to this country, making false claims and handcuffing the system, which slows the entire process down, affecting all those with legitimate claims.
This is good for you and me and it is good for Canada.
Well done!!
Alex (Toronto)
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It would also be better for the Conservatives to reform refugee processing so as to not offer benefits to non-proven refugee claimants. This would require a system that evaluated refugee claims more quickly; reducing the number of claimants would make it easier to process the remainder. If people could have a hearing within the six months that visitors are allowed to stay in Canada, the problem would go away. Shifting resources from benefits to adjudications would solve the problem. The government has acted rashly in a racist way that exposes Canada to possible retaliation from European Union countries. We are trusting a level of goodwill from European countries that we are not showing them in return.
Helen-Jean, London
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kk
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not many Mexicans came in as they got caught without visa on short notice including our family for a planned vacation. will vote for someone else.
Cecil
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Sean
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Anytime our refugee system is abused, it makes it more difficult for genuine refugee claimants to get approved.
Anyone, and I mean anyone who shows up at a Canadian port of entry can claim refugee status because they fear persecution from their home country, for any reason, no matter how frivolous,
In return, the Canadian People will immediately...IMMEDIATELY provide-
-Federal Health Care
-Welfare
-A Work Permit
The false refugee claimants can take advantage of the Canadian tax payers money and services for approximately 2 years before the frivolous claim is denied.
Then, the failed claimant will be told to go to the airport to pick-up their paid airplane ticket and confirm their departure... And most don't show up, and Immigration doesn't look for them.
Quite the system. We waste millions and millions of dollars on these people, mean while, true refugees who really need our help, are stuck in refugee camps.
The UNHCR should stop advocating for such liberal refugee/asylum policies, and start advocating for the true refugees.
This endeth my rant.
Pip
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Every time I hear or read those words, I shudder. It is the non-partisan approach that costs us millions in costs for non-partisan or multi-party committees that deliberate forever to produce a report that is immediately shelved by the party in power as being "not germane to the issue".
As when a politician says "trust me", I grab my wallet in a vain attempt to protect my funds. We are better off leaving policy to the party in power, regardless of color. At least that way fewer of our tax dollars will be wasted.
Lee in Calgary
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Once again Mr. Trudeau's efforts to give a Charter and then staff the Supreme Court with Liberal minded judges produced a result that could have been foreseen. The idea that the court decided to apply the Charter to anyone (regardless of citizenship or legal status of entry) that was standing on Canadian soil was foolish and baseless.
The Charter should never apply to any non-citizen especially one that arrives in our country illegially or under false pretences.
It's time to rewrite the law and hope that by the time the Charter challenges make it to the Supreme Court their are less Liberal minded judges sitting there.
Where Have All The Liberals Gone?
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“Could it be that many liberals actually agree with tighting visa regulations”
So are you saying that you, a liberal agree with the Harper team's decision? Because if that’s what you’re saying, I’m thinking a lot of your liberal friends won’t be real impressed with you. But I respect you for coming clean even if it was in a roundabout way. Thanks for coming out of your cocoon and taking the time to clear things up, but it’s time for me to head back to mine now.
Later ;)
Linda in Vancouver
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One of the big problems is the amount of time it takes to get a decision,and the costly appeals available after that decision is rendered.I think one appel should be sufficient,and that future appeals should be paid for by the applicant.
And,for refugees,all the time they spend waiting for a decision is paid for by the people of Canada.They collect more in benefits and income than citizens who worked here for decades,and are now retired.I think that's wrong.Especially at a time when we have citizens in need.Like First Nations people for example.(No,I am not,but I think they should be put ahead of everyone wanting to immigrate to Canada.)
And lastly,when it takes so long to get a decision,the refugees are also in limbo.By the time the decision comes,many have lived here for quite a long time.Many have had children,now citizens of Canada,and settled into communities.As unfair as it it to Canadians to have to support them,it is also unfair to return refugees after so much time has passed.
We must streamline the process and clarify the rules without the burden of empathy for any one individual or family.There will always be opportunities for the Minister of Immigration to make individual decisions in exceptional cases.
What is good for Canada must come first because we all benefit from sound policies.As it is now,the rules favour lawyers and illegitimate claimants.
Good start here.But not a real solution we can all live with indefinately.
Kim in Winnipeg
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datwon
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"How about a balanced budget as opposed to a 50 billion dollar deficit?"
Did you sleep through the budget when Ignatieff demanded the stimulus money to be spent??
Liberals pushed for this massive defecit.
Robert in Vancouver and Winnipeg
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A Koster - BC
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Conservatives allowing more failed refugees in Canada
Updated: Fri Jul. 24 2009 12:04:50
Jon Woodward, ctvbc.ca
I guess that "9,864 in 2008" had the means.. wink, wink.. to get Kenney's attention and subsequent approval.
Richard L. Provencher
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AL from edmonton
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You have made a few assumptions in your math.
1) What you are saying is that 100% of tourist from Mexico will stop coming here. That is something that is very unlikely.
2) You are saying that these people would only be in our system for one year not very likely when you look at the pace of the system and how many different appeal systems there are.
Gary
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Doug in BC
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The simplest solution would be to maintain a list of nations from whom refugee claims would be accepted.But that solution comes with it's own set of problems.There is no easy way to sort this out,but sort it out we MUST.Tough decisions cannot be avoided forever.
We should accept our fair share of REAL refugees.But as taxpayers,we should be assured that they are genuine refugees with sincere intentions.We pay these people huge amounts of support while their status is being determined.In fact,we pay them more than we pay our seniors or retired workers.It seems to me,it should not be to much to ask that the system work for the benefit of Canada.Surely we can do that at the same time as we are being generous to those seeking asylum.
I'm not crazy about the approach Mr.Kenney has taken at this time.At least,not as a long term solution.But I also think this was the only choice open to hem,and the right thing to do AT THIS TIME.
I can only hope this will force ALL parties to consider serious immigration reform that will work quickly,fairly,and at a reasonable cost to taxpayers tired of being abused by people looking for a free ride.
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Where Have All The Liberals Gone?
Could it be that many liberals actually agree with tighting visa regulations? Of course that wouldn't occur to you, so tightly wrapped in your little partisan cocoon.
Shawn
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"Now, will somebody please show me one for the Liberals!"
How about a balanced budget as opposed to a 50 billion dollar deficit?
mac
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As for the detractors..where are you now ...claiming Government claiming unfair, discriminatory etc etc ..
where are those same people when they learned that there were mayors of towns in the Czech Republic paying for tickets for the Romanies to come to Canada and claim asylum -let the Romani apply to come like everyone else..
simon
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Who are the other asylum seekers?
Go get 'em Steve!!!
Durham Resident
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And what about retaliation? Mexico and the E.U. can easily impose visa requirements on us. Remember that we're already in the E.U.'s bad side (sealing ban), so they could very well follow through with it. Have you ever applied for a visa? It's by no means a quick process.
This requirement is simply bigotry. It's truly shameful.
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Now get on with making sure we stop all immigration. First ensure the ones already here are gainfully employed in the professions they have trained for.
Next step get rid of this dual nationality thing...
We can't be sailing in two boats.
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Michael from Toronto
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I knew of these bogus asylum claims back in 2001 - this is not some knee-jerk reaction. It is not a conspiracy. Europe and Mexico need to fix their own problems and not export them to other countries.
Our government is doing its job responsibly - by making good decisions even in the face of dim-witted loudmouth knee-jerk popular opinion.
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Where Have All The Liberals Gone?
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Yet strangely all of the liberals seem to be at a loss of words today when it comes to the writing comments.....hmmmm wonder why?
My guess is it's easier to click the little thumbs down symbol out of unguided illogical emotional hate towards our current government than to admit that the Haper government did something right.
Bet I’ll get a lot of thumbs down too, but before you click it give your head a shake over what you’ve become.
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Kris D.
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Especially since Flaherty pronounced this recession is over. Where did the money go? How much has actually been spent? Why are we still piling on debt if the recession is over? Try finding answers to these questions.
This whole picking on Mexicans and Czechs was meant for two things: to change the channel from this government's horrible fiscal policies and to shore up their base.
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Twenty years from now we (Canadians) will ask for visa to stay here.
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"Perhaps they're not seeking asylum because it would be more difficult for any family or friends to visit. Did anyone think about that?"
No Heather. We did not think of that. Because if their decision to claim assylum was contingent upon how easily their family and friends will be able to visit them afterwards, then obviously the assylum claims themselves were frivolous. True assylum-seekers are not in a position to worry about whether or not they can have visitors. True assylum-seekers are running for their lives, or at very least, from severe persecution. If the persecution is so moderate that they have the luxury of worrying about whether or not they'll be able to have visitors, then it is not severe enough to merit a refugee claim.
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The only reason that refugee claims from Mexico and the Czech Republic are at zero (for the moment) is because the visa rules came into effect with no warning. Anyone who has ever applied for a visa knows that it can be a lengthy process. I wouldn't be surprised if our speedy bureaucrats simply haven't processed any visa applications yet and that this is the real reason for the drop in claims to zero.
Wait another 6 month and reassess the success of the new visa rules at that time.
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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I absolutely refuse to admit that Immigration Minister Kenney's decision and approach to the obvious problem was/is the right one.
A Koster - BC
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Indeed, what kind of game is Kenney playing? It isn't "Grow a Backbone" for sure.
Visas for all or visas for none... make up your mind for more than 6 months at a time.
Pip
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It would seem that, as a result of the visa requirement, that our refugee system has been shown to have been badly abused in the past. As for getting a visa for travel, that was the norm for many places, especially in the couple of decades after the Second World War, and still applies for some quite important nations.
For those who object to the idea of visas - even passports: don't we, as Canadians, deserve to know who is coming into our country, and reserve the right to deny entry to those we feel may pose a danger to, or abuse our system?
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I am all for welcoming new immigrants to Canada. I suggest we need to have some higher expectations that they come here to stay, add value to Canada, integrate into our Canadian culture, and do not pose security risk to Canada or the world.
"Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee!"
Ron in Georgetown
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Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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Well Jason as immigration minister that's your job. Do it.
MC
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True asylum seekers would not consider their extended family's vacations plans.
If you are seeking asylum it is because you desperately need out of your country in short order to avoid your own death. If you elect to stay in your country of origin because friends and family can't visit you on vacation then you really don't need asylum in the first place.
Kevin D- Calgary
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Peter Kavanagh
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We need to make the people living here the government's top piroity .
Keep up the good work .
Lorne
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THE Fatman
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Now, will somebody please show me one for the Liberals!
And oh, just in passing "Has anyone here seen Iggy?"
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Alistair McLaughlin
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And that was exactly the intended result.
Chris Ottawa
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That's the way to go!! Bravo Jason!! Lets do more!!! Lets save more money!!!
Jason Kenny is a Bilderberger
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I do not want this man to run for Prime Minister until I find out exactly what went on at the Bilderberg Group meetings he attended.
Perhaps he learnt something about how to become popular.
Heather in London
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DCR-Toronto
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Very well done Mr. Kenney. There is no reason this government should not be given a majority. Time and time again they have proven to be very capable and do what needs to be done. Not what makes us all feel fuzzy and warm. Sometimes hard decissions have to be made..like it or not.
Sanitylost in Montreal
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Bravo and keep up the good work.