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Roads, transit best stimulus for economy, experts

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By: Andrea Janus, CTV.ca News

Date: Sun. Mar. 1 2009 8:38 PM ET

In tough economic times, government stimulus packages should focus on infrastructure projects that will leave behind "a valuable asset for the future," such as better roads or light rail transit, experts say.

According to economist James Brander, infrastructure spending has a high rate of economic return, as spending on building a road or better public transit will have trickle-through effect to a number of industries.

Improving light rail transit, for example, will not only create jobs for construction workers, but will benefit those who are in lower income brackets, who will be particularly hard hit during a recession, Brander says.

Building new roads or improving old ones also provides considerable economic benefits. Industries that supply materials will get a boost, and those roads will allow workers to commute faster and make it easier for companies to ship their goods.

And people who are employed also spend more money, Brander says.

"Of course, the people that are hired in that process -- the people that are hired to build the roads and bridges and so on -- they spend more money because they have more money and that, of course, percolates through the economy and that's the idea of a stimulus package," Brander, an economics professor at the Sauder School of Business at the University of British Columbia, told CTV.ca in a telephone interview.

"So we're better off if we give money to someone who says, 'Okay, I've got this money, I'll build a new building, or build a new bridge, or build a new factory,' because that's spending but it's spending that will leave behind a valuable asset for the future."

The budget that Finance Minister Jim Flaherty tabled in January contains nearly $12 billion in infrastructure spending, including a $4 billion stimulus fund to which the provinces will have to contribute for the maintenance and repair of existing facilities.

The budget also includes:

  • $1 billion for environmentally friendly projects
  • $500 million each for community recreation facilities and for small-town projects
  • $2 billion to repair, retrofit and expand college and university facilities

While construction projects are viewed as the best option for creating jobs and injecting cash into the economy, one downside is that they can sometimes take a long time to get off the ground.

"By the time you get everyone onside and all the approvals in place and you've lined up your contracts, you're not looking at infrastructure stimulating the economy until well into the second half of this year," Derek Holt, a senior economist with Scotia Capital, told The Canadian Press last month.

Flaherty has predicted that the money will be spent by the end of fiscal year 2010.

Targeted tax cuts

Any good stimulus package will not just contain infrastructure spending, says Grant Bishop, an economist with TD Economics.

However, it should not include big tax cuts or rebates to high-income earners, who are traditionally more likely to save extra money rather than spend it during a financial crisis, Bishop says.

Higher-income earners are more likely to avoid purchasing big-ticket items, in part because they hope prices will continue to drop and in part so they can focus on maintaining their own financial health.

And baby boomers who may have just seen their retirement savings decline in step with the stock market will need to "save in a hurry" to rebuild net worth that they can live off in their retirement years, Bishop said.

In contrast, lower-income households traditionally tend to spend more when they receive tax breaks or an increase in benefits, because they feel they have more economic security.

"Their spending is much more regular unless there's a major interruption to it," Bishop told CTV.ca in a telephone interview.

Middle-income and low-income households are the places where you get "the most bang for your buck" when you offer them tax cuts or an increase in benefits, Bishop said.

The federal budget contains about $2 billion per year in permanent income-tax cuts and an increase in the working income tax benefit, which goes exclusively to low-income Canadians.

Abandon auto-sector bailouts

Finally, multi-billion-dollar auto sector bailouts will do little to stimulate the overall economy, Brander says.

The federal budget contains more than $2 billion in short-term loans to the ailing auto industry, and automakers are requesting billions more in repayable loans to keep themselves afloat.

However, pouring money into the auto sector will only lead to the manufacture of goods that will sit unsold in car dealership lots as consumers keep a tight grip on their pocketbooks until they see sure signs that the economic crisis is over.

"What we should do is make a list of the things we really want to have," Brander said. "And this is a good time to pay for the infrastructure things that we're going to be really happy we've got five or 10 years from now."

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k
said

There is an opportunity for very good long distance public transportation in southern Ontario as 1/3 of the Canadian population lives there. Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton and big cities could use better light rail within the cities but Canada needs to figure out low density and small city strategies.


Need subways in Toronto
said

To Linda
you are is against public transit and high speed trains because they require subsidies forever. So do the roads and streets that you drive you car on.So don't be naive and think public transit is to expensive. The only reason Public transit is a problem, is using it, it's to slow and too crowded during rush hour and really slow the other 20 hours of the day. Canada needs subways,high speed trains, Local electric trains. Build it... they will come and ride them.


Brent - Penticton, BC
said

It is truly amazing how our fellow citizens from the East feel that rapid transit between Buffalo and Toronto, or anywhere that has Southern Ontario or Toronto is where to spend infrastructure money.

In British Columbia, and particularly our West Coast, we need an amazing amount of funding for the twinning of the Port Mann bridge as well as billions for a bridge from the Mainland to Vancouver Island, so we are not having to continue to rely on our Ferry System. If Toronto was on an island and had to rely on a ferry system, they might be able to understand what I mean. Instead, all they want is increased rapid transit/high speed trains, etc. and to hell with the rest of the country. We in the West do not think that Toronto is the center of the universe. If they were, they would have a better hockey team than the TORONTO Maple Leafs.


Sam C
said

It is true that building roads and similar projects will not create sustainable jobs. What this will do is provide short-term relief to the unemployed, while upgrading or expanding an ageing infrastructure that has been neglected during the "boom" times.


We know Harper has no "immagination" (sic)
said

During the election campaign, Harper denied there would be a recession and denied there would be deficits.

The incompetent dolt Harper has to go!

Canada can no longer afford to indulge Harper and his nation-destroying ideology.






Melanie Terrace,BC
said

There's nothing like a recession to get people out to spend other people's money as well as money the government doesn't have.The proposed spending is going to be paid for by our children and their children.
Now there's a great legacy to leave behind.
I have a novel idea.Why don't we demand that ALL new government spending programs come with the "price tag" attached,and the means they are going to use to pay for those borrowed dollars.
Maybe if Canadians knew the real cost they might be less inclined to spend money we don't have.One of the biggest threats to the future sovereignty of this once great country is likely to be insolvency and debt.At the very least,debt will impoverish our children and leave them with very few options for the projects they deem necessary in the future.
There is no such thing as "free",my friends.If the current debt crisis has not shown that,there is no hope we will ever learn.


I'm a conservative. Gimme a bailout.
said

I won't benefit from stem cell research, so it should be stopped.

Gimme a bailout.




The market won't figure anything out.
said

The market is rigged for financial finagling and then begging for government bailouts.




When you jealous workers take a 50% pay cut,
said

it will be reasonable for unionized workers to consider doing the same.

Until then, just keep doing your crummy little job.




Harper and Flaherty were saying no recession
said

and no need for deficits.

Now that they've been taught the error of their ways, they are cooperating.




Linda in Vancouver
said

What all the advocates for fast trains,light rail transit systems,and more public transit as a stimulus project seem to be missing ith the fact that ALL these forms of transportation require subsidies from taxpayers FOREVER.People using these systems NEVER want to pay the full cost of the ride,so property taxes and a host of other taxes have to go up to pay for the operation of the systems even if they could be built at a price we could afford.
I work in public transit.I know that doesn't make me an expert,but I know very well that 70% of the money we need just to keep our current system operating comes from other taxes.Users only cover about 25% of running the system in Vancouver.And,even at that they whine about it.
There simply aren't enough people living close enough together to make the systems suggested cost effective.Why is that so hard for some people to grasp???? None of these systems would ever break even,never mind pay for themselves.Their future operating costs become higher taxes for all of us.
These stimulus plans can be useful.But a fiscal trap that guarantees higher taxes in the future if we squander these BORROWED dollars.And especially given that anyone with a lick of common sense can see we will not recover from this recession until the USA fixes both it's credit crunch and it's banking system.
"Jon in London".Very nice post.Thx. for that.Socialism and public debt are the evils that are ruining this country.But we need markets to sell our goods.And even that also depends on Canada becoming more productive and more cost competetive.
And windmills will do little more than raise the cost of electricity


GTA Chuck
said

Yeah Mel, the NDP and the other fringe parties have so much immagination and vision.... Yeah right...

Sad, really sad and some strange comments to make.


David
said

transit use isn't based only on rail technology. For example, as someone mentioned below, Calgary may have a higher per capita ridership on the Ctrain than Vancouver' Skytrain. However, Vancouver has a much higher per-capita use of all transit services (and lower use of automobiles) compared to Calgary.

Improvements should not only be on trains, but planning a well-overall-planned transit system that does not have to necessarily be based on a rail line.


Corky Sinclair Pickering.
said

As long as you can keep organized crime out of the bidding process so the prices don,t get jacked we will be o.k.


Alan Greenspan
said

I am glad this stimulas plan is going to leave us good bridges, roads and light rail transit lines.
Program spending just leaves a big debt.


Quill
said

Ho Hum! That's what Harper and Flaherty have been saying all along. Not a new concept.


Richard
said

The large cities of Canada are where almost everyone lives. They are certainly large enough for much improved public transit. In Metro Vancouver, people all over the region including the burbs are demanding better transit. Buses and trains are packed at rush hour.

Building roads is a waste of money. Once the recession is over, gas prices will skyrocket again. No one will be able to afford to drive. We are much better off selling oil to others than using it ourselves.

If the government wants to stimulate the manufacturing industry, they would provide billions to cities to purchase more buses. That would provide jobs for both out of work autoworkers and for local people driving the buses. Providing loans to the small three automakers is just a waste of money.


Mayor Miller
said

Can someone please explain this comment: "Improving light rail transit, for example, will not only create jobs for construction workers, but will benefit those who are in lower income brackets, who will be particularly hard hit during a recession".
How will it help lower income people if we improve the light rail transit? I understand it will help construction workers, But lower income people? what will they get free subway rides? Please explain,cause I don't think construction workers are low income! Or are they?


Stephen D James- Hoddesdon..U.K
said

I'm a Canadian living over here in the U.K and I see the U.K constantly trying too build links from here too there and I also see prices on the rise.Right now it is cheaper to take the Eurostar from London to Paris than it is too take a train from London to Manchester.Even these guys are off the rails so too speak.
Being a Canadian and watching news on my laptop of my home, Canada should look to continual up-grades to all roads,rail,air and water transport.Our government has all it needs with Brain power for Technology and Financial support to bring all these areas up to standard.Meglev trains are expensive too build,but they are economically and enviromentally safe.They can go as fast an a plane with less trouble than at airport.
Up grade the roads and bring in more comuter train servics to other areas.
Taxation is the route too go and trust me,you've never been taxed until you've lived here in the U.K.
The government,needs too look at Home and see where the population is and expand by getting business out of the major cities and into town like it once was.
Whats that saying..."If you build it..they will come".



Jon in London ON
said

On the spending stimulus:

A powerful quote from Pastor/Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931–2005):

“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”



Adele NWT : Don't do anything Ontario did
said

The one thing we do "NOT" want to do is copy anything the government in Ontario did, they are the ones pulling us all down.

TVic
said

It's high time to stop talking about all this and start doing something!!
Just get on with it - the sooner things get starter the closer we will be to getting out of the recession.


Lucky in Port Perry
said

"The federal budget contains about $2 billion per year in permanent income-tax cuts"

If anyone in this country still believes any tax cut is permanent, I'd like to meet them and see what a delusional person looks like!


Justin - Bust the UNION not the country
said

As soon as the Unions take a 50% pay cut I will kick in my own Auto bail out by buying a Domestic car.

Forget the bail our and bust the union in bankrutcy protection for a thriving auto industry because pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered.


R/H Ontario
said

For once it seems that the Experts have got it 'right', finally. NO bailouts for the Auto Industry, and they do give valid reasons. New roads and rail upgrades would definitely improve the transportation of goods and passengers across Canada.The rail lines today are a disgrace and NEED TO BE FIXED. Plus we in the Northern part of Ontario would love to be able to travel across Canada by rail, again. As of now we are stuck using the Bus or a car, both are Not the best for long distance travel.Spend wisely now or we will never get out of this big deep rut we are in.

Tim
said

If we build a high-speed rail link, you can count on 1) huge cost overruns, 2) inefficient management and 3) costly and regular bail-outs every couple of years.

Why do government planners fetishize high-speed rail links? What a waste of money. It would be far better to get the government out of the transportation business and let the market figure out what consumers want.

Cal - The Green Economy is a soup line
said

The Ontario Liberals convinced us not to buy any V6 cars they make but buy foreign 4 cylinder hybreds cars. That's like Subway Sandwich shop saying don't eat subs, Asian Food is better then asking for a bailout.
Quebec wants to sell green credits to Alberta because it heats it home from Newfoundland Hydro power.
One thing we know is since an inconveniet truth came out we hvae lost carbon jobs to China and never did create any green jobs to speak of.
The green political propaganda and damage has gone far enough.

james
said

This is the first intelligent news story I've read since last August. Without a doubt, Canada's urban and intracity/regional rail service is close to third world standards. We need to move more people faster. Planes and automobiles just dont cut it in certain circumstances.

Anyone who has travelled or lived in UK knows you dont drive to or in London. Same applies to NYC.

I'd rather see $ 4 billion to developing a first class system using Bombardier trains than going to GM for a bailout of crappy executives.


Retired Soldier in Kingston, ON
said

Tax-payers, MP's and economists of all political stripes, including Mssr James Brander, need to understand that $65B of a 2 year "stimulus" spending package, if handled incorrectly, can be a fiscal disaster down the road. It adds inflationary pressures to the economy and increases the cost of living if ill thought out boondoggles are employed as "make-work" projects!

While I agree with Mr. Branders assertion regarding the long-term benefits of spending on highway infrastructure, it must be competently designed, costed, contracted out and built properly. Otherwise, you simply drain federal and provincial treasuries and ultimately, raise taxes at all levels to repair incompetent work (or, in documented Quebec cases - kill commuters!).

The most important professionals to involve in any highway stimulus spending are bona fide engineers and technologists; not politicians or economists armed with a degree unrelated to the area of expertise required here!

As a technologist, simply throwing money at this massive economic disaster does not necesasrily mean we'll all come out the other side wiser or more prosperous!

Pro Patria


Time to get innovative and forward thinking
said

I would love to have a fast, dependable skytrain or underground system that connects all of Canada's cities and ran on electrity and solar energy- now would this not be completely innovative to showcase to the world? For example, I would like to commute from the hospital in Abbotsford BC, to the hospital in Vancouver BC, via a fast, dependable skytrain running 24/7. This would greatly decrease that long commute via cars and decrease pollution. Then roads would not have to be improved as the first priority- building the skytrains or underground tube systems would be. People would adjust their schedules accordingly and it would become the normal way to travel. Then we could put greenery where roads were going to be built and have fast skytrains. We could also have a very large skytrain to ship equipment, food, etc. across provinces. We could try to purchase locally made products and food in Canada, in provinces, and in cities so that our reliance on large trucks carrying goods on roads is slimmed down/conservative.


canton
said

You are right. Calgary's LRT has the highest ridership in North America, 20% higher than Vancouver's skytrain. You can find out more about it on internet. If the money is spent correctly, like how Calgary plan the LRT route, and the Olympics.... it would leave a legacy behind and no cost overrun.


Winston C from England - European Banks to fail
said

European Economies have lots of banks that are going to burn, because they lent Eastern Eurrope too much money build it.


Nancy- Canada needs Harper the USA needs Hope
said

The conservatives are doing on the right things there is a multiplier effect from the investments that are projects we need sped up.

Canada is in Good shape and needs Harper, the USA is in bad and needs Obama.



Doug BC
said

I love how the tree hugging crowd uses any story it can to push ahead on technology that doesn't yet exist.If the research was done and the technology was available for less polluting vehicle,they would be on the road right now.
Public transit is also a nice buzz word.THe problem with building these trains and public systems during a recession,is that,after the projects are built,there needs to be huge increases in taxes to pay the costs of operating these systems.
In Vancouver,for example,I see that transit riders pay about 1/3 of the cost of operating transit,while taxes cover 2/3.And they are still running short by about 150 million dollars this year.
The roads,bridges,and oil pipelines are the best way to go because those projects return their initial costs by making it more efficient to move Canadian products to foreign markets,thus giving a return for the initial investment.
Stimulus can not be an excuse to just throw money at everything Canadians would like to have.Health care,for example,is an idea that would leave us with very high operating costs long after the recession is over.While I agree that we could benefit from better quality,throwing more money at this before we reform the system would simply create another permanent cost for taxpayers to bear.That is an issue that should be addressed,but is not an issue for economic stimulus.
All spending is not,nor can it be called "economic stimulation".Some of it is just plain "pork",and some of these ideas are just excuses for socialists to do even more of their very expensive,left wing social engineering.
Don't forget,WE WILL HAVE TO RE-PAY this money.It is vital we DO NOT SQUANDER a single dime.What we don't repay,our children will have to pay through higher taxes.


Anne M
said

I must say that I agree with this one. Every city should have a good transit up and running. It would certainly cut our dependence on oil. The system needs to be economically feasible for everyone.


James in New Brunswick
said

It would be nice if the government was to invest in renewing or improving rail links. Despite the fact that it played an important role in the founding of Canada, rail can be as modern as tomorrow.

Unfortunately, improvements to rail will mean that fewer cars are needed, and manufactured, in Canada. As for plug in hybrids and electric cars, the government won't lift a finger to support anything that challenges the status quo in terms of Ontario manufacturing. Invest in electric car manufacturing, like the ZENN, and the Big 3 will threaten to close shop and move back to the States. Now that they may be doing that we should cut them loose and invest in the future with distributed energy generation and transmission and electric vehicles and light rail.


Peter MacKay
said

The problem with building roads & bridges etc. is that they become liabilities, requiring future tax dollars to maintain. Hence the term “structural deficit”.

We need to invest in areas that will create revenue and make Canada more competitive after the recession. Examples are renewable energy generation, energy efficiency and technology research.

These initiatives do not suit Harper’s power base (big oil), so the budget is sadly lacking. The only exception is carbon capture, which will have very little impact on tar sands CO2 emissions.

Ben
said

John M, I too am from Calgary and can tell you definitively that Calgary's LRT system is one of the best in North America. Many daily riders may complain about the system, but the reality is that ridership is incredibly high considering the population and density surrounding stations. It's not perfect, I would have done things considerably different, but until alternatives like the LRT are built on a more regional level, we will never see a shift from automobiles.


ABC.SOS
said

It isn't only Harper that refuses to spend stimulus money on projects beneficial to the future, Premier Stelmach also prefers corporate welfare ($2,000,000,000)for unproven carbon capture, rather than spending that money on a high speed rail between Edmonton and Calgary. The future generations are in jeopardy because of our foolish voting patterns.


Joyce.
said

I guess I do not get credit for noting the missprint, however I am glad to see the change having been made.


PM
said

Before we spend gobs of money on a high-speed transit link between a couple big cities, we should look at fixing up our existing rail lines so that goods and material can move more easily across the entire country.


No, spending is not what got us into trouble.
said

Government enabling of corporate corruption, particularly in the USA, is what got the world into global economic crisis.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

No one seems to know exactly what should be done to improve the economy. Experts are called on to give their ideas and suggestions. All I know is that government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, but provide a level playing field for businesses to create new jobs. A war on prosperity is the fastest way to bring down an economy as we've seen in the US. Every time President Obama talks about spending money in the trillions, the markets go down because they lack hope. I believe he's using his oratory gift negatively, not positively. The whole world economy seems to be resting on his every word.


ME
said

Canada is a big country with few people. Our infastructure planning has to be a made in Canada solution not follow other countries. High speed rail would be great if we had the population to support it.

Those here who commented on it live in southern Ontario and they would be the only ones to benefit from it. Heck we in northern Ontario would like any form of rail travel as I'm sure would many parts of the country. As for public transit that again works best in big cities, not our spread out towns and rural areas.

Doing without cars is a pipe dream that will never happen. There are just too much open countryside in Canada. What we need are good roads and fuel efficient cars.

Spending on green technology for hydro and insulating our homes and spending on building new homes and public buildings are in my mind good things


john m
said

Someone told me that public transit is only efficient during rush hour. At other times the buses and trains are running half full or worse. I think it works better in areas where people do not have cars and are forced to use it. So there is a question, more buses and trains = fewer cars required and another blow to the ontario auto sector. I think the only area that has enough pop for this conversation is the GTO, and I am from Calgary. We do not have enough people here for any major shifts in public transit.


tim
said

P.S.
what about health care? Why no mention of improving. Surely the politicians see the problems. Oh, that's right, they don't see because when they have issues they are connected to a good doctor thruogh one of there social clics. As long as they're taken care of there is no problem.


John Sask.
said

That's a very good plan but what do you do for the seniors that are living off their pension that has almost disappeared because of the stock market drop?

We are stuck with nothing to look forward to that will help us. No one wants to hire some old person who is not able to do heavy work. Also MP'S get large increase's for cost of living and seniors get about a $15 a month increase in CPP and the same in OAS.


Brent
said

It would be nice to spend it on mass-transit projects and other similar programs. I am a big fan...just look at Japan. But I do not think they would have a big impact in the next 12 months. So, some spending there pumps up the numbers to make the rescues sound better, but what helps people now? And, what creates long-term wealth?


David from St. John's
said

I find it curious that so many economists recommend a 1930s fix to the economy. Building roads creates jobs, but not sustainable ones. There is no investment in new technologies, there is no new training, and when the money runs out, the job is done. This is nothing but a short term fix. It worked well in the 1930s, when manual labour was the crux of our economy, but that hasn't been the case for many years.

What's saddest to me is the lack of investment in long term strategies. That includes pure and applied research, education, and investment in new technologies. Ironically, the light rail mentioned in the article is a good example of this, but the roads absolutely aren't.

Relying on short term fixes, while necessary, are like the auto bailout. They have very little effect on the future economy of this country.


Don from Ottawa
said

Public transit should be discussed on its own merit, not using pseudo-economic rationale.

"Government stimulus" is just another way of saying that we will force taxpayers to spend money, and spending is what got us into trouble in the first place.

We never learn.


reddy
said

good idea about the trains only thing is in europe they have a high population not as large area to cover and it costs alot to run a car. here in canada we have a large area to cover and a lot of people own cars and have a standard of living were they can run them. i dont think they would have enough people to support the trains without being subsidized by the government.


Samual
said

A new canadian auto company, would create a lot more jobs than the bailout. CMW

I haven't heard much about putting more money into health care. Sounds a little better than bridges to nowhere, but Harper's usual plan is to say things & do something different, I don't think Canada's economy will improve much with Harper as PM


mike
said

Like building a fast transit system between major US and Cdn cities eg direct link non -stop BUF and TO and improve tourism both ways.


Mel from Calgary
said

Unfortunately the particular brand of conservatism as practiced by Stephen Harper, public transit is "communism" hence their reluctance to provide money or other support(they scuppered Ottawa's).

Also too bad for us is conservatives suffer from a lack of immagination or vision.




Bob
said

The Conservatives have already shot down a high speed link from Windsor to Montreal.
It's too bad that our country has such a mediocre public transit system. Looks like the next generation will still be stuck with using their cars for inter city transit.


Layton B in Moncton NB
said

I agree whole heartedly with the experts on this one, to a point. I think we also need a heavy focus on renewable energy. Any one who thinks that oil will last forever is kidding themselves. With heavy growth in manufacturing and erecting wind and solar we can reduce our dependency on carbon fuels.

This will allow us to be even better positioned for success in the post carbon world. It is coming people and with the introduction in just a few years of plug in hybrid and electric vehicles, the car companies know it too. A smart power grid is needed and distributed generation will be key I think. But if these recommendations are follow it will be at least a start.


 

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