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Nelson Gonzalez washes new Chevrolet cars offered for sale at the GM Felix dealership in downtown Los Angeles on Friday, Dec. 12, 2008. (AP / Damian Dovarganes) CAW President Ken Lewenza speaks during a press conference in downtown Toronto, Friday, Dec. 12, 2008. Nelson Gonzalez washes new Chevrolet cars offered for sale at the GM Felix dealership in downtown Los Angeles on Friday, Dec. 12, 2008. (AP / Damian Dovarganes)

Auto bailout should hinge on saving jobs: CAW

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CTV News: Craig Oliver on the bailout status
Despite the federal and Ontario governments approving a $3.3-billion dollar rescue plan for Canada's auto sector, if the U.S. doesn't come up with a rescue plan for the Big Three, it could mean trouble for Canada's auto industry.
CTV Newsnet: Chris Buckley, president, CAW 222, on the auto workers' role
Buckley said he's glad the Canadian government has waken up to the need to secure auto-related jobs in Canada by sending a clear message that they want to help the Big Three.
CTV Newsnet: Ken Lewenza, CAW president, on the pending deal
Although aid coming from Ottawa and the province of Ontario has some relieved, the CAW is warning that it is just the first step in a long and painful rebuilding process for the North American auto industry.

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Date: Sat. Dec. 13 2008 11:19 PM ET

Canadian Auto Workers president Ken Lewenza praised the announcement of a potential $3.3-billion lifeline to the country's car industry, but warned that it should hinge on promises by manufacturers to maintain jobs and keep plants open.

"The reason the CAW pushed for government involvement is because all governments are intervening in the economy and in particular the auto industry," Lewenza told CTV Newsnet Saturday.

"But we want to protect our existing investment and our existing facilities. So there has to be a condition of government intervening to support the existing facilities and keep them open."

Ontario NDP leader Howard Hampton said automakers should be providing both employment and product guarantees, if they are receiving government assistance.

"You need to get product guarantees, in other words, you want to be producing the cars and trucks of the future that people want to buy," he said during an appearance on CTV Newsnet on Saturday.

"And secondly, you need some job guarantees."

On Friday, Industry Minister Tony Clement announced the bailout package, which is a joint effort between the federal and Ontario governments.

Clement indicated during a news conference that manufacturers will have to prove they have plans for maintaining long-term viability in order to receive funds.

As well, the entire payout hinges on whether or not the United States approves its own proposed $14 billion bailout package.

Hampton said he felt the Canadian efforts appeared to be on the right track.

"My understanding is that the money that is being put out the door, or the money that is being offered, is conditional upon the proportion of auto sector jobs that are in Ontario and Canada now, staying in Ontario and Canada," he said.

"That's a fair start," Hampton added.

$70 per hour?

While some critics have suggested autoworkers are costing their industry too much and making wages of more than $70 per hour, the Detroit Three automakers each report paying an average hourly wage of less than $30 U.S. for their workers.

The contentious $70 figure, which has been applied to U.S. workers only, also factors in health care costs and benefits for retired employees.

Hampton said the overriding market conditions are to blame for auto industry's immediate financial challenges -- not labour costs.

"It's not workers' wages that have resulted in this calamity," he said.

"What's really happened is this: American consumers are so scared right now that they've stopped buying just about everything."

During a meeting with Chrysler executives on Friday, Lewenza said, company officials indicated that if market conditions change, they would be able to pay back government loans within two to three years.

According to Lewenza, auto manufacturers understand the importance of changing their business plans to include initiatives such as developing more environmentally friendly vehicles.

However, he said a shift in practices will "take some time."

The news of the Canadian bailout package came a day after the U.S. Senate voted down the proposed $14-billion American bailout, after the United Auto Workers refused to make wage cut concessions.

After the vote, the White House announced it may dip into the US$700-billion bank bailout fund to help the auto sector.

The haggling coincides with an announcement by General Motors that it will shut down nearly all production in its North American plants throughout the month of January.

The move will affect 21 factories and cut 250,000 cars from the company's first quarter production schedule.

GM's Oshawa, Ont., plant will shut down for six weeks beginning in January.

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Mary Clarke
said

While Bob Rae was Premier of Ontario,he guaranteed G.M pension plans.
So if G.M does go bankrupt,Ontario taxpayers are going to be paying big time,for a long time.


Open the books and see if they're cooked.
said

The car companies are in trouble because of investing in high-risk "securitized investment vehicles," not because of manufacturing vehicles for people to drive.

Bailout are a scam by the politicians to use taxpayer money to rescue greedy corporate thugs who have run their companies into the ground.




Give Me A Break
said

The CAW union leaders must be the dumbest people on the face of the earth. They are not willing to make any wage or benefit reductions when the alternative is a permanent loss of jobs! If the 'Big Three' are so poorly managed and build crappy cars that no one wants, they should go bankrupt. Maybe then they would restructure their businesses to be competitive. Or, the discharged workers could simply go to Honda or Toyota and build worthwhile vehicles and save us all billions of dollars!!


Harper the socialist loves blowing money
said

Cut the military spending to pay for your latest corporate boondoggle, Harper.




John Black Ontario
said

I too live in a town that is host to an Automotive Assembly Plant and I too see examples of the diligence and hard work that these workers display ...... making and drinking Beer at Mr U Brew two and three hours before the shift ends .........their vehicles in their driveways once again hours before there shift ends ....... the never ending weeks of layoff engineered by the Companies and able to suck the hind teat of EI to the tune of 95% of their wages ..... Give us a Break CAW! .... "You can fool some of the People some of the time .. But not all the people all of the time"


sdgreen, North Saanich BC
said

If the object is saving jobs, then the CAW MUST reduce their hourly wage and benefit expections by a significant degree.

I would suggest that both management and union workers should reduce their wages by at least 30%. Otherwise I am not interested with the taxpayer bailing them out.


Lorne
said

Is the CAW President prepared to cut his salary by a minimum of 20%?
Save jobs - in order to save jobs you have to be willing to make concessions. I don't see this happening at this time.
A cut in salaries to management and workers could probably ease the burden and save a few jobs. No bonuses and reduced benefits would also help.
Get on the ball!!! There has te be cooperation between all parties involved.
How can a bunch of idiots resolve any crisis?




Lynn-SW Ontario
said

My husband is being laid off Dec 23 due to all the problems in the auto industry in Ontario. Laying off workers before the Christmas holidays will save his company over $20,000.(no paid stat. holidays). Our loaf of bread at the grocery store still costs $1.65, same as the one the CEO of Chysler buys, only I will feel it more that him!! We need the jobs, but I don't want my taxes to bail them out. Remove all top end officials, take the managers that HAVE HAD to make the plants run on a budget and move them up in status so they can direct a "new car company". They have a better feel as to how to make a profit from a restricted budget. Like the idea of only 4-6 different styles of hybrid and economical vehilces. And you can only buy a TRUCK if you need it for a business. Do not use my taxes to bail them out. Yes, my family will suffer if they go down. But a car company will rise from the dust and will make good vehicles and the workers will get descent wages. It will happen!


Emma Leniuk -Dozois
said

after listening to Chris Buckly about the G.M. bail out I just had to tell you about my new chevorolet equinox sport utility vechiclethat has only 309 klm.on it and left me on the side of the hwy.11 in 26 below with an over heated engine that has a malfunctioning sensor that the dealer says can't be fixed they say G.M.is working on it.When I bought this brand new 2008 you can't tell me they didn't know about this,and yet they chose to sell a34 thousand dollar w/tax and finc. unreliable vechichle to a senior citizen.the car is now sitting in the garage because I am to afraid to use it in this cold weather,I asked my dealer Eastview Motors to exchange it for anything that did not have that problem the answer to me was they all have it.So I say if G.M. and mr.Bucly can ask for a few billion to bail them out is it too much for me to expect a reliable vechicle from them
since I have done my part for the local economy?


Larry
said

Union leader on both sides of the border have been saying part of the problem is Korean and Japanese cars being sold in North America without offsetting sales of Big 3 cars in Asian markets. What specific models that have been produced in the last 3 years do they think are suited to the Japanese and Korean markets givens their incomes, fuel prices and road conditions. When you visit those countries you realize that they have much smallerchowlcc@hotmail.com cars on the road and the ones they export o North America are the larger and higher content ones.


Philip
said

I think that Canada should offer the car companies a bail out. I believe that we should go allot further then the government has gone already. Instead of trying to go along with the Americans on this we should offer the bail out to them and in return the Car companies have to move their operations to Canada. Considering this is what US Law makers are doing to us right now its only fair. Put a condition that they have to give Canada a 20 year commitment to have most of their operations here. Why should we take this lying down. These companies have given many Canadians good paying jobs in the past and they stand to do the same in the future if given the chance. Lets stop looking at what happened in the past. Start looking toward the future. Look at it as an investment for Canada's future.


Bob Beausoleil
said

Labour needs to contribute to a bail out buy cutting wages and benefits. The automotive industry pays far more than the average worker is paid in Canada, yet that average worker is expected to contribute to this bailout. It would make more sense to put out more money for seniors and the poor that pay big bucks for autoworkers. Yes help them but only if they and auto management are prepared to help by reducing salaries.


American In Canada
said

You know... I never thought I'd see the day when Canada, known for its common sense approach and strong banking system, would use the US bailout approach as an "economic stimulant" (which of course, stimulates nothing).

I can't believe the Conservatives caved in to the Liberal/NDP pressure to follow an approach that is so anti-conservative.

That said, at least Canadians are showing some emotion and speaking out (for OR against). The apathy south of the border toward the bailouts is very sad indeed.



Bee
said

To Jon in ON who made the first post...

The problem with your post is that it uses simple logic and makes too much sense. Politicians aren't known for conclusions based on the straight-forward sensible approach.

But I like the way you think. Too bad one of the prerequisites for being a politician is having the opposite pattern of thought.


Sick of the rhetoric in Vancouver
said

Give them out tax money so they can continue to do more of the same. Kinda like throwing gasoline onto a dying fire isn't it?

I am 100% against lending them money unless they can show how they intend to pay it back and how they intend to repair their obviously lousy approach to managing their business. Don't kid yourself people, whent he government grants a loan, it's with your money, not theirs!

We need to begin to make these people accountable. Things are out of hand and it's time for some very real business intelligence to take over.


Neil, Calgary
said

If the CAW wants job guarantees, what about the UAW? If the US puts in $14B and Canada $3.3B, do we really think that we can keep all of our coveted CAW jobs while the UAW walks away from theirs? No way, there will be cuts.

I realize that the working CAW Joe doesn't make $70/hr. But they should be able to take a cut on $30/hr and it seems that benefits may be a little rich. What I don't know what to do with is the pricey pensions that factor into the $70/hr. I can't see Joe Public being interested in funding these pensions which are better than what most retired Canadians are getting. The big 3 can restructure all they want but if they are on the hook for alot of the pensions, bailouts will likely only delay the inevitible.


Rob
said

I can,t believe the jealousy and hatred on here. I'm not a union member but the jealousy makes me sick. Everyone had the right to get a job at the big three. Is this what our world has come to. Everyone jealous of everyone else. Get off your butts, better yourself and quit trashing other people just because of there job type. Everyone has a chance to have the same job. Deal with it.


will johnson oshawa
said

When you drop the 95% unemployment wage guarantee, the full prescription benefit, I may feel sorry for you. Till then join the ranks, your greedy union has said no to concessions that would keep you employed so like I said join the ranks, then thank your union


John in Calgary
said

I absolutely love this. This CAW President is worse then the Dying 3's CEO. LOOK at the Gold this guy is wearing. I say worse because he already knew about the private jet incident in the States and yet he still has the gull to wear that much gold while asking for money.

Look at the Chart in the background, that number says 2006 is when the deficit started for the Auto Trade, look at the slope behind it and the years that must represent. And they are just doing something about it now?

Government's responsibility is the People. Harper I absolutely hated you when you first came on the scene because you were different then what I was use to. I have opened my eyes and see the good you want to do for the country even when many don't. It has only been stated that the money will help the Auto Industry but it doesn't say how.

I hope you throw a huge bombshell out there that announces that the money will be there to help family's while husbands and wifes are being retrained after losing their jobs.

There is not one person that can say that is the wrong thing to do with the money. The horse is already has a broken leg, no amount of money is going to put him back on the race track. We might as well feed the people.


Robert B.
said

Utopia

Lets give the big three a whole bunch of money to remain in business, lets keep the caw, uaw working producing stuff people don't want to buy and then when its all over the tax payer will again bend over and take it like dodo's! While the unions and big automakers will give their top executives big bonuses for doing their utmost!!!!
Is a civil revolution in the Making????



art from NB
said

I hope the gov't will follow the advise of the people. No bailout...look for other solutions to stimulate the economy. Autoworkers making $70.00 per hr is $145K per year. Nurses saving lives and improving tax payers quality of life make $65-$80K. Our majority of soldiers(sadly 3 more brave Canadians made the untimate sacrifice today) who risk their lives in war torn countries make $40-$70K per year. Makes no sense to me. Get rid of Unions and lower wages which will stimulate the economy by lowering car prices. I lost my job in 1997 due to Gov't cut backs. I went out and got another one.


sask guy
said

CAW and UAW are dinosaurs in this world. These companies need to go bankrupt, eliminate the unions, regroup and rethink all the products they manufacture. All the union brothers want huge dollars for their labour but they are more than willing to head over to Wal Mart or Costco to spend that money on Chinese products manufactured by non-union labour. I live in Saskatchewan where we've been putting up with this NDP/Labour crap for a long time and pal, it's over.


Choele - Canada
said

After everything I've read I still think a bailout is throwing good money after bad. Why should public funds bailout car industry owners & workers that refuse to show restraint; is CAW like UAW saying no to pay cuts & benefit adjustments. CAW wants the bailout because it would save their skins. During the economic slowdown where do they think the public will get the funds to buy a new vehicle. I can't & if I could it wouldn't GM -had one, it was a waste of money - never again. If the public don't buy the cars then the injection of bailout funds will be a huge waste. Probably would be better spent on health, infrastructure & small business.


Tom P St Catharines
said

Dear Mr. Lewenza

Get your head out of the sand and please join the rest of the real world, CAW workers are grossly overpayed and in my mind are guilty of raping the Canadian Public with overpriced autos. Is these blunt enough because I could add a few prime adjectives to emphasize my point. If you continue to be arrogant and self effacing the people you represent might be with out jobs and thus you would be unemployed along with them.


GrandPa
said

I require a $80,000.00 bailout so I can afford a vehicle and funds to operate it :)


michel
said

Michel formally from ontario now living in calgary. In the 80's when the liberals ann. there energy policy thousands of Albertans lost their job's and thousands went bankrupt. HOUSE'S WERE SELLING FOR $1 BUCK. Where was the billions to help the oil patch. I'm sorry but I do not want 1 red cent of my mony going to the auto industry. The world will not come to an end, only union workers will have to work for less after the compaies file for chapter 11 of the bankruptcy act.Cut taxes which will lead to more spending makes more sence.


Lance
said

My son-in-law works for chrysler in windsor but i am here to tell everyone i am sick and tired of the big 3 always getting money from the tax payers to fund thier failed compaines.I will not buy and big 3 vehicle if this funding goes through, give it to the hospitals.


PO'd Consumer
said

how this for stimulus, make a product I want at a price I can afford, and I may just buy it. My last visit to the big 3 showrooms left something to be desired.


Ken Laninga
said

Two reasons for the automakers' problems:
1. bad, greedy managers
2. greedy unions
So let management cut their benefits and let unions cut benefit also
Compare Toyota's hourly cost per employee with that of GM for example. CRAZY.

OF COURSE they want $$$ from the taxpayer.

NO WAY should they get any.

Is it any wonder so many companies (like Telus) send so many Canadian jobs offshore!?

Companies are in business for ONE REASON: to make $$ for their owners; the investors. NOTHING else.


Murray@Cobourg
said

Why should the government do a bail out with GM when GM is giving the employees that took a buy out $100,000.00 and a car???And they ask for money???Please give me a break!!!These people walk away from a job into another one with full pension and and collecting another income...I would say sorry boys the deal is off...You can come back to work..And as far as the unions,they are going to bury the car companies if the employees dont wake up and say we will work rather than loose our jobs...Any union leader that says its our way or no way is an IDIOT..


SWG in NB
said

well i guess it's hard to have people working in factories building cars and trucks when they have fields and fields of vehicles of unwanted product. The car companies will get the money to bail out management only while still having no choice to lay off workers till inventory drops. management will get there BIG Christmas bonuses while workers get a crappy Christmas and an unsure future.


true and free
said

Why would anyone look to guarantee union jobs with public money? Jobs be damned, save the industry and let the labour market adjust accordingly.


goldhat44
said

Taxpayers backing conglomerates doesn't make any sense at all, especially when they pay employees 4 to 10 times the minimum wage. If the banks can't keep the business afloat, then I'd say the gig is up. Otherwise we are all just delaying the inevitable, prolonging the agony, and delaying the needed global economic reboot. Also, I don't believe a truck should cost 50,000 dollars!

Taxpayers don't pay taxes to keep megacorporations in business, okay?




ElDiabloStone
said

The unions whether they like it or not must take a pay cut. Before you unionist start crying its not my fault. No not all of it is but it is a factor.
If the government truely wants to stimulate the economy it will give everyone who filed income tax returns last year 10,000 to spend on whatever.
And just curious..how much is the Mexican government giving to the auto makers?? Or is the five dollars an hour labour rate enuff?


funkright
said

search for the article: Big Three, Meet the "Little Eight".. its on salon, this should be forwarded to the CAW for their review.. Life is changing, FOR ALL OF US.. you will either have to get with the program or be left out in the cold.. and no one wants to be left out in the cold, especially facing this Canadian winter of discontent..


Andrew Cooper
said

Now they get bailed out for being greedy for sticking to oil, when an alternative vehicle that runs on H20 could of been mass produced by now. We are paying our money to criminals, and I am sad to be a canadian right now. The rich are free to distinguish from what is right and wrong, even if it causes wars in other countries. Very, very sad.


Fed up with CAW
said

If this bailout goes through, i promise, i will never, ever, buy a GM, Chrysler or Ford again, made by a union worker. I will buy Toyota! The Small Three is a sinking ship, thanks to the CAW. I bet they still got their 1000.00 bonuses for Christmas and dont forget the extra SPA weeks they get on top of vacation time, but dont ask them to give any of that up. I hope they sink, Toyota is looking better all the time.


Matt in Windsor
said

The attitude of the North American consumers sickens me. If you buy an import, you are a traitor to your country's economy and your fellow citizens that work in the North American auto (and related industries).
Yes, I know that the Japs have a sprinkling of assemply plants in N.A. but that was only to placate some growing protectionist sentiments. The Japs are experiencing sales losses in the 30 percentiles and where are they cutting jobs first?- IN THE NORTH AMERICAN PLANTS! They take care of their own and we should do the same. If you buy Import, the money doesn't stay here. Period.

Close the borders, let them sell Hondas and that other assorted crap to the Chinese time we took care of ourselves-they certainly are.


troubled_taxpayer
said

I recount when the provincial NDP bailed out the forestry industry during the 90's in B.C. They bought out a pulp mill in the Prince Rupert area to 'save jobs'. Unfortunately that mill was so troubled that they eventually sold it back to the private sector, saddling the province with massive debts. The story of the car makers is really no different.

Why should I as a taxpayer assume the liabilities of poorly managed companies with labour unions that refuse to budge on concessions?


John Bark
said

Lewenza and his left wing nuts really have to get a life. A friend of mine in Windsor works for Chrysler. Last year he told me he made $130,000 in wages. In addition his medical and dental is fully paid for, and he'll retire in 2 years with a monthly pension of just under $4,000, plus full medical and dental benefits.

What a joke! Why? I went to University for 8 years after high school, and as a professor made $96,000 in my final year before retiring. My gross retirement pension is $2,350 per month, and my medical/dental premiums are deducted from my pension.

The auto manufacturers should be allowed to go into Ch 11 in the U.S. Any Candian bailout money will be flushed down the toilet within months, and Chrysler/GM will leave for the U.S. anyways, sticking Canadian taxpayers with the bill. This bailout only postpones the inevitable.


Robert B
said

Ah NO!!!!! Bailout should be based on CAW and UAW cutting wages to some reasonable amount - not the huge amount they get now.
Cut sick days.
Cut vacation.
Cut - cut cut - just like the rest of us.



Agrees with all of you
said

Just read below.

I agree with Canada Goose, SK, Steve Taylor, Scott, JD, Jake, Lee, jeff, Rodney, Widowmaker, jamie, JMB, Randy.....

Politicians, are you listening to your people?
Media, are you reporting what the people are saying?
Union leaders are you listening that the poelp of this country don't support you?
Most importantly and who the Cdn people feel for, union membership.. don't let your union leader thugs intimidate you any more. I know what it's like. Stand up to these bumbs.


Wes
said

I don't feel sorry for the big 3, but I feel sorry for the workers. I don't know exactly what happen to the auto industry, but somewhere in there, the big 3 did some serious negligence or they were not prepared for this economic crisis. I read somewhere that the employees were way over payed and they manifactured more cars then they could sell. If that's true, sounds to me that the auto industry is going anywhere but down...Maybe the big 3 improved on fuel economy and other areas, however if you read this year car&reader best and worse cars, you will see that, in regard to the overall brand of the car i.e. reliability...the top three cars are Honda, Mazda and Toyata. The big 3 are way down...


Bob in Calgary
said

Lost in all the hyperbole is the fact that, even before the financial meltdown, North American vehicle production exceeded demand by 3 to 4 million vehicles per year. Even assuming that vehicle sales would remain flat (which is not the case), 30 to 40% of the NA vehicle production would have to be reduced to match actual demand. Since the least efficient plants (those with the highest worker to vehicle ratio) would be closed first, at least 40% of the NA auto workforce is redundant. Them's the facts. Any bailout package which does not acknowledge this will just keep the cadaver on life support.


b. tyler
said

bob in TO.
So who buys auto's from the big 3, I do. Used ones, because resale prices for the imports are out of my reach. You see I survive on $10.50 an hour, part time with no benefits (zilch,zero,nada)and a small pension. Do I support my taxes going to the big 3. You bet, may need another used car pretty soon.


Lynn
said

How about government incentives that encourage people to support the Canadian auto industry? Unfair trade regulations allow other countries to dump their products without allowing for reciprocal trade. Keep profits in North America and make our Country stronger. Want to support Japan, move there and see how much you like it.


thinker
said

Auto bailout should hinge on saving money!The only way to do that is to get rid of quite a number of workers as well as lowering the remaining workers wages...and thats just how it is folks.Another factor is to drastically reduce production.The dealership lots are fulll as well as the factory lots.It is absolutly insane to think that an infusion of taxpayers dollars will stir up a demand for unreliable,over priced vehicles.All it really boils down to is supply and demand.All supply and no demand equals production slowdown or shutdown,and eventually bankruptcy.


Peter in Ontario
said

The notion that workers should forfeit their wages and rights and let capitalists reorganize their businesses appropriately is not the right approach. Are autoworkers making too much money considering the kind of work that they do? Absolutely. The North American auto industry is disintegrating before our eyes, and many people are going to lose jobs regardless of any bailout package. But now is not the time to be going after the CAW. By doing so we are taking a step backward and setting the precedent that it's OK to attack ordinary workers and that they deserve a lower standard of living.

It's a shame that so many people (posters, and politicians alike) are more interested in attacking workers rather than providing measures to soften impact of a global recession. This was exactly Prime Minister Harper's initial response to this crisis: attacking unions and organizations which require public funding to survive. I think almost everyone agrees that Harper's initial approach wasn't such a smart one.

Instead we need a vision of how these manufacturing industries will emerge after the recession, and to start implementing plans to restructure those ailing sectors and re-create good paying jobs. The current bailout is a necessary first step in that direction.


Start these businesses again from scratch
said

Get the union bozos off the front pages.

We're sick of seeing these union thugs.

Who cares what the say.

I'm not looking for a new car.

I'll go to horse and buggy before I buy another car made by folks represented by these people.

Greatest threat to this country next to terrosrism these damn greedy union leaders if you ask me.


kev in ontario
said

highest paid autoworkers in north america? non-union at toyota. freemont california
greedy non-unionists! heheh


Linda in Vancouver
said

Saving jobs?? That all sounds fine until we take into account that they've already made millions of vehicles no one wants to buy.
I don't see why the government should pay them to do nothing.Or,even worse,make more cars no one wants.
To me,it seems we should use the same amount of money to help people making things we really need. How smart is it to fill more parking lots with unsold vehicles??
And lastly,couldn't the same amount of money save twice as many jobs of people who make less than those currently with the CAW doing what seems to be useless work??


kev in ontario
said

it takes about 15-18 labour to assemble a vehicle now, so even at $50 an hour, thats around $800.
if theyre paid $20, thatd save around $500 per vehicle, yeah, thatll probably turn the companys around. lol


Satin Marok (toronto)
said

I think the best option is to give this bailout money to Toyota/ Honda who will make more fuel efficient cars and on condition that they will employ (depending on their demand) the laid off workers from BIG(?)3 and SHOULD PAY 1/3 (yes or better 1/4th)salary to these HIGHLY OVERPAID UNSKILLED CAW/UAW workers.

Bring these folks to realty. Who in this world gets 95% of their Pay after Retirement. GOD Bailout Taxpayers from these Folks.


Scott ONT
said

macdog...

That is a typical I'm better than you so I deserve more response one could expect from an overpaid worker.

There are way more of the $15/hr workers out there contributing taxes than you "special" folk. I personally pay almost $50,000/yr in taxes and I don't think you guys should get a cent. You guys bargained yourselves into a hole and should pay the price for it. That's what capitalism is all about.

I don't wish any ill will on anyone and I know that times will be tough for those that lose jobs but what about everyone else who's lost their. Forestry, construction etc.

You people need to grow up and realize the world doesn't revolve around you


Jeff - Halifax
said

The money the gov't spends here is yours and i hope all of you voters remember hte fact that the Conservatives didnt want to go into a deficit. All of the other parties won't vote for a budget without money for the big lumbering dinosaur called the automotive industry. The quality is poor, the prices too high and the warranty you get is substandard. No wonder they cant sell their cars.

People want a car they can get to work in, while not spending a fortune.


Terry out west
said

You know I for one, and most other people on this forum, are getting sick and dam tired of hearing demands for taxpayers money, for keeping jobs and production from both the unions and executives of the Big 3. Well If you want my money I've got some demands of my own.
1/ no white collar worker can make more than 250K/Yr, bonuses are gone and no stock options which is a no brainer cuss their stock is worthless anyway. If they don't like it goodbye and good ridance.
2/ no blue collar worker makes more that 60K/yr and no overtime is allowed cuss you're now a salary employee and no christmas bonuses, if you don't like it quit.
3/ The big 3 will be limited to 4 product lines each, 1 small hybrid car, 1 midsize hybrid car, 1 fullsize hybrid car, 1 3/4 ton 4x4 hybrid truck and no SUV's big or small even if they're hybrids. In GM's case the Chev car, Chev truck, Buick car, and Cadillac lines are toast and I'm sure there are a few I missed since they have 39 different product lines. There, how do like those demands Mr. CAW. I hope ya choke on them.


ezmoney365now
said

The bail-out belongs to the individuals called the Canadian Public. Each man,woman and child should be given 1-million dollars each! Wouldn't that jump start the economy too the MAX!
Nice to dream of something so simplistic but so wonderfully powerful!


Let the Big 3 Sink
said

I don't want my tax dollars going to dinosaur companies that make products that are crap. THe problem is that these companies and unions bank on the fact the goverment won't let them fail because they 'contribute so much' to the economy. Well if they produced vehicles that people wanted they wouldn't be in this mess. Funny how Toyota, Nissan and Mazda don't have there hands out begging to be saved. They know how build cars that people want, that are quality and still keep a labor force that is non union happy and productive. Let the Big 3 sink.


A in BC
said

Funny how Ontario jobs matter more than BC jobs. Didn't see this fuss when the BC forest industry took the hit last summer and Mackenzie ended up devastated like some Ontario towns would if the auto industry tanked...

The BC Forestry workers were union too.

The economy won't support so many automakes and the big 3 won't follow trends or stay competive. No point prolonging the inevitable if the union won't meet halfway.

I'm union too and all for supporting the employees, but you have to make cuts everywhere. If CAW can't see that's better than no jobs, that's their problem and they need to lose the jobs and get non union work for a while.


Calvin
said

Why throw good money after bad?

If you are going to give the money away, give it to companies that are building cars people want.

Why not call Mr. (Toyota, Nissan, Honda, BMW Porshe ...) and say here is a lot of money if you set up shop here.

Instead of inovation, the "Big 3" maintained buisness as usual and lobby tactics. They should be rewarded for their terrible buisness practices.

The government didn't help the tech sector and the forestry sector, and I am sure there are other examples.

The CAW shouldn't be depended on to make government policy, they were part of the problem, not entirely, but they share the blame.


Krissy
said

Ok...let's get real here. In any business if people are not buying your product you BANKRUPT the company if you make them keep staff and production when they are not moving anything.

I feel for those who jobs ar eon th eline right now...all too much. We in BC dealt with this in the 90's with the forest industry. BUT.....if no one is buying your product unfortunately you lose your job. It's called life.

Money should NOT go to auto manufacturers. Instead, money should be offered for retraining to help those same people get the skills required to get another high paying job in an other industry. An, fancy that, it also increases Canada's productivity which is dismal, as well as increases the innovation and skills of our workforce which brings other high tech industires (aka high tech jobs) to Canada.

I just wish to god that someone would slap the union over the head to knock some ever loving sense into them. Stop bithcing because you might loose members of your union which keep you living the high life and instead focus on the people of Canada and the repercussions of continuing to make stupid decisions which do not fix the problem.


robert
said

These GM workers if laid off will be entitled to FOUR YEARS worth of wages!That gets them a degree.Their unemployment benefits are supplemented by at least 200 dollar a cheque.They get buyouts worth 100 thousand and 35 thousand car coupons.In fact GM still owes 1.5 billion dollars for the 4 thousand GM employees that are ready to retire.Now they want job guarantees?!?!?!We saving a company or a standard of living!!


Yvonne in Huntsville
said

I hope all you disgruntled posters are also contacting our brand new industry minister, Tony Clement, and letting him know how you feel about his bailout decision. I can tell you that in his home riding of Parry Sound-Muskoka, we are not too happy with him. You can't get a job that pays more than $10 an hour up here and he's bailing out an industry that dug its own hole years ago. Write your MPs, people, and demand better for yourselves and your tax dollars!


Brent - Penticton, BC
said

$3.3 billion. How long would this last if it was used to pay EI to laid off workers and provide alternate job training programs as well. Probably a better use for OUR money than putting it into the Big Three money pit. Let them go bankrupt and re-organize the auto manufacturers on a sensible business platform. Too bad for the shareholders, but this isn't the first big failure and it won't be the last. Let financial nature take it's course.


Scott ONT
said

To D'Bone

Yeah, you're the only one getting your fair share, that's why you've bankrupted the industry you work for and are about to be out of work. That's got to be the dumbest thing I ever heard.

And it doesn't only apply to the autoworkers union. Our postal service sucks and we pay more than just about every other country in the world. Our kids suffer because teacher's are upset about having to work 6 hours a day ( don't get me wrong, some teachers go about and beyond but for the most part )...

Unions are a way of the past. Your salary should be based on performance, not some stupid union. Kind of reminds you of the mob promising protection to little mom and pop businesses eh. Give me so much a month and I'll make sure you're safe.

In the real world however that's called extortion. I still can't believe you said that, lol.... wow


susan thompson
said

I sell Dodge chrysler vehicles...and our dealership sales were up 11% for novemeber...we are on target for 45 vehicles this month. I am proud to sell and drive a north american car. Have you seen all the calibers? how bout the caravans? We dont have a single 08 pickup truck left on our lot. We sell with integrity, wonderful 4 cylinder vehicles here..: caliber, compass, patriot..the road is full of them. Out of the 14 asian car manufacturers...how many keep the profits on north american soil? How much is your oil change? Geez....regardless of union wages...what about north american products? Check your label...bet it says made in china. Lets say a big hooray for that one!


malarkey
said

why can't we buy in, instead of bail out.
buy our way into a position where these crucial decisions being made are more reflective of OUR needs.

lot's of insightful and often spot on observations can be found on these forums.

it is plain that the decision makers at the Big Three are at best incompetent. makes no sense allowing failures to continue steering the ship.and in turn our economies.

let us drive, i say. we'll have paid for the ride already


kr
said

the highest paid autoworkers right now are in a toyota plant...non-union , freemont.
greedy non-union slugs. lol!


Saving the bosses butts for their bad decisions.
said

Stupid boss class!




They are really lucky this time!
said

But NOT all the time! They all need to smarten up and smell the coffee!

Reducing COST is the major issue for a company to be successful!

Cutting wages from every single section might help. Starting from the C.E.O. all the way down!

There are also a few major factors that they need to work on. Those "retire employee" are the ones that pull the company down - especially down in the States where every single retire and current employee WANTS HELATH CARE which cost GM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY SINGLE YEAR!

Toyota had MUCH LESS NUMBER of retire employee and they hire younger guys and try to get ride of them over ten years of service because of THIS BIG PROBLEM! They are smarter but they still CRY over the lack of BUSINESS LATELY! Same goes with HONDA!

Then comes to the customer part. With the high unemployment rate across the world, it is very difficult for any consumer to BUY a car if they DON'T even have a job!

Thirdly, they also need to REDUCE their product line. Keep building the vehicles but CAN'T FIND A BUYER just donesn't make sense!

Like Mr. Donald Truimp said,"Use the B word next time. It's not such a bad idea! Nobody will laugh at YOU! This is the ONLY way that GM can finally CUT DOWN OR REDUCE their expense by starting a new contract with every single department!"

Again, they are very lucky and they all should learn a very valuable lesson by NOW!

Take the free time and stay home, everybody! We should be thankful that we all got a roof over our head and food in our fridge!

Stop using those CREDIT CARD! THEY WILL KILL US ALL EVENUALLY!

Merry Christmas to eveybody!


Harper gang extorting your money for his cronies.
said

To bail them out with tax dollars is an amazing insult to consumers. What you have chosen not to buy, the government is now effectively forcing you to buy. You want a Toyota and paid for it with your money but your government is now saying that you should have bought a Pontiac, so it is tapping into your bank account to make it happen – and then not even giving you a car for your money!


macdog
said

Guess what people that are crying about there tax dollars being used to bail out the big 3, if the gov doent bail them out than they have to pick up the tab for all the pension's aka your tax dollars!!!so think about people do your reasearch!!! and the people making only 13/hr that pay peanuts in tax's crying that we make 30'hr where the ones the pay avr $20000 a year in taxs i pay more in taxes then u people make in a year!!!!


Valerie - Brantford
said

Lower the wages, get rid of the jets, cut management, present a good business plan and then maybe we'll support a bail out. Why should someone trying to support a family on $7.00 and hour contribute to the bail out debt of someone making $30.00 or more an hour. Doesn't make sense.


Jake Castlegar
said

To JMB;
It is not the Conservatives that want to rush in and bailout the Big 3. It is the NDP/Liberal/Block Coalition who pressure the government to do this without due consideration for the wishes of Canadian tax payers. The Coalition threatens to overthrow a legally elected government if the government would not do as the Coalition wish. If the Coalition have their way, they would come up with $50 billions to bailout the Big 3 with no pre-conditions


Jean Pierre in , NB, BC, and Ont
said

Harper- Clement- My brother wants hsi job back- Under the conservative - my home town- a pulp and paper town for 50 plus years closed its door and every one is out of work-(maybe they should amde cars). No one in your governmnet step up to the pltae to help them.This town is Dalhousie, NB.
The tax payer just seek thsi money being thrown away- - The auto workers will have to either CUT BACK they salary or find a REAL job 9maybe they are uncaple of during an HONEST DAYS WORK -
Truth Hurts



No Bailout
said

No bailouts. The government should never interfere with the free market. They will never have the intelligence to allocate capital. Besides, the government does not have any money.


Gary
said

Unions should live and die by the product they produce on the free market which just like oil is in part controlled by supply and demand..bail out..hell no cause it will just further add to an allready over-priced product and will impact a tax increase on those that don't even drive..I'm sick of this union crap and all their crocodile tears to keep their 70-80 dollar an hour bolt turning jobs..live in the real world like the rest of us poor smucks that have to scrimp on realistic wages


John Royle, Ontario
said

Is this CAW person for real! ......... to make a statement that the "Bailout Funds" should be commiserate upon saving Union jobs at this juncture is akin to turning up at a money begging meeting in a Private Jet! ...........


mark in bc
said

Ya.. like I work in the BC housing industry and now it's like dead... can I get a bailout so I don't lose my job!!!

Sounds stupid eh?

What makes the auto sector think they are so special, they're only building cars...big deal!!

There are too many cars being built and unfortunately the big 3 are not building great vehicles and are hurting.

Why should we bail out mediocrity. Let them fail and new company's will start up and take over.

We do believe in Free Enterprise don't we?

Or are we going to become like the old Soviet Union?

my two bits


NoBailouts
said

Government intervention should not be an option. The government does not have any money. It only has the ability to take (tax) money from one group and redistribute to another. The free market is the only mechanism that can determine the proper allocation of money. The government will never have the intelligence to make these kinds of decisions.


Alberta Jim
said

Note to Lewenza - sure I agree that jobs should be saved but only if they want to work with a wage cut along with a plan from management that will work and provide good cars that the public want.


Germaine
said

as far as Im concerned it's high time these people get a reality check. Take a wage cut for crying out loud, it's not the governments responsibility to pay for your life style, big corporations are downsizing or closing their doors all time anymore in this country and province so get used to it. Heres something to think about "The Hershey Plants" right here in this country" that have closed or are closing what about their good wages and employess? I did not see our government stepping up to the plate to help them, so what makes you auto employees so special?


wall©rawler™
said

Well for all of you thinking that the US would come through with the bailout, sorry bout your lousy luck. As for that guy living in the clouds with the name of Ken Lewenza, you really need a reality check. Why should our tax dollars go towards bailing out the auto industry with a stipulation that the jobs should be saved.
How bout you saying instead that the money should come with a stipulation that unions would roll back wages and concessions if the big 3 would agree to retool their factories to produce less gas guzzling vehicles that people who don't have the wages that unions do, can afford to drive them now.


Melanie Terrace,BC
said

I guess we all knew this was coming.I'm all in for helping Ontario get it's economy on track.But I don't like this.Nor do I think it will work very well.
If this recession goes on for a long time,they are going to be many people in this country who are out of work,and in need.And most of them don't have the savings that someone making $30 per hour should have.If they don't have any savings after years of making those kinds wages,who's fault is that?
This will help the wealthy workers,and leave people who work just as hard,for far less money,to sned their tax dollars to the CAW members.
I'm OK with sending my tax dollars to help.I'd just rather help those struggling along on after losing their $15 per hour, with no benefits jobs.This is a classic example of the rich getting richer.
If the can't compete,they should get out of the way.We can buy vehicles from those who can.
We did it in the forest industry in BC.Years of propping up inefficient mills did not help.The mills eventually failed any way,the taxpayers wasted lots of money,and there is still no market for our products.
Let's get these people jobs making things that they can sell.


saving union butt
said

The CAW should have to apologize for every slander or bad-mouthed thing they have said about the Harper gov't . He should just tell that militant union to go take a hike...instead of saving their asses..


Greg Newmarket ON
said

Pathetic is what this is. The big 3 and the CAW have dumped their bad management and security for their own future on us. Hey here is an idea, how about you gas gusler makers approach the large profit oil companies for a bailout. Considering you have been filling their pockets with cash through your making of these SUV’s and the like. I am dead against giving you a dime of MY tax paying dollars. Wake up and get with the program. This site alone tells you how the public feels, read the comments! It’s overwhelming a big NO BAIL OUT!


Laz in Finance
said

"Autobailout should be about saving JOBS? Are you kidding?" They should be about making a business viable, otherwise, there WILL NOT BE A BUSINESS and THESE are DEAD JOBS.

Oil is down to $45/bbl. Is there a bailout for the oil industry? Forestry is in the toilet, are they getting a bailout?

I don't mind helping business when times are tough. But it better be more than just a quick fix. Besides, isn't EI the same thing. The only difference is that the person can retrain. But giving money to a "bad business model" is just stupid.


JS
said

So, what exactly, is the CAW doing to help save their union workers jobs? NOTHING!!!! The UAW cost Ford, G.M. and Chrysler $14 billion because the UAW wouldn't a wage and benefit cut till their current contract runs out, which is in 2011. Is the CAW going to take the same stand, or are they going to agree to some concessions now in order to save jobs? Typical union response is gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, but do nothing when jobs are on the line. The unions are the ones that put the car manufacturers in the position they are in now by demanding more and more from the manufacturers. Why should my tax dollars go to help the union members when the union is not prepared to do anything? Just think how much money it would save the manufacturers if the union agreed to a 5% wage decrease to help out.


Honesty
said

Jermey Cato On The G & M yesterday
The car business today, though, has a much, much bigger problem and great, beautiful, fuel efficient, high-performing, perfectly reliable, value-laden cars simply cannot fix it, at least in the short term. The problem is credit. It simply is not flowing freely out there.

The whole auto industry revolves around credit. Car companies need it to finance their product plans, pay their suppliers, their raw materials costs, their employees and to cover other expenses.

Suppliers need credit for all the same reasons car companies do, and also to help subsidize the delivery of parts to car makers.

Dealers need credit to finance their inventories, and, of course, customers need credit to buy new cars.

That's why auto-building nations around the world, from Argentina to France are bailing out their resident car companies with loans and subsidies. This is a global problem.

Credit is not flowing and only national governments have the ability and resources to do something about it. Until credit starts moving, no amount of cost cutting, wage cutting, marketing, or brilliant vehicle design and engineering will fix the auto industry.

That's the bailout matter in a nutshell. Right now it is not about greedy unions or incompetent management; it's about credit.


Al from Halifax
said

Yes! let's use tax payer's money to keep these companies open so they can keep making cars that nobody wants or buys.

Makes lots of sense.


JJ in Ottawa
said

I bet that half of the whiners about unions here are unionized themselves.

Actually, the only industry I would like see dying in Canada is the fossil fuel industry.

Time to save the planet! Down with petroleum products. Let's make all fossil fuel illegal in Canada!





Brandon, Alberta
said

What the difference between spending 3.3 billion on a product that no one wants or that money going towards EI?


Cambob
said

Where is my new car? When I pay taxes I expect to receive value for my money (New roads, hospitals, schools, clean water, law enforcement, etc)

So if they expect my taxes to be used to invest in a car company, I expect a new car.
Where is my new car?


Julius PR
said

I agree that automakers need government bail out at this point. But the government should use this bail out as an opportunity to steer one of the biggest polluters towards environmentally sustainable production practices. Automakers should produce cars that are fuel efficient, less harmful to the environment, and have an option to use alternative fuels (like ethanol). Even if the price of these cars are a little bit higher, people will still buy them because the long term energy savings from fuel costs are more than enough to offset the initial purchase price of the car. These cars will also be very marketable if they are environmentally sustainable to operate,
Having said this, this is a win-win situation for the government, car manufacturers, and the public.


Larry NL
said

A simple question.
How does a bail out with tax money secure jobs for the CAW?
No body is buying any cars that the CAW makes. The bail out just doesn't add up economically.


Doug BC
said

THis is a risky venture for taxpayers.How it works out will eventually depend on whether or not the comapnay,and the union can find ways to be competetive.
I generally support the need for unions.BUT,I never support those who are so greedy that they are unable to see when they are pricing themselves,and their company right out of business.
THese people are going to have to find a way to compete with the foreign car makers,and their fellow workes in the USA.It is not acceptable for them to expect the taxpayers to keep on subsidizing the inflated labour costs of the "Bug Three".Especially,since the vast majority of Canadian workers make fat less than they do.NO WAY.Workers in the USA have taken huge cuts to help themselves.If worker here cannot do something similar,let their jobs bleed off to the USA.Help the company while the credit market gets sorted out.But a huge "NO" to taxpayers topping up auto workers wages here.
As to the idea of giving us all vouchers to buy the cars,I heard this same idea being tossed around south of the border.I doubt it would help much here,because more than 80% of the cars we make go to the USA.Canada produces far more cars than we need here.As for the USA,I think most of those who could use help buying a car are really in so deep that they would rather save their homes.
I'm not fond of this bail out.But,at the level of $3.5 billion,I can compromise my way to acceptance.I won't be prepared to go much deeper unless the CAW has some answers.In the USA,they're already talking about their $17 billion as "just a down payment".They need $100 billion.
I love my GMC.But NO WAY!



Chris Ont
said

The amount of money the goverments are willing to give will only delay the demise by three months or so. Then what? Better to face reality before this money is wasted and totally revamp the industry, from production to distribution. This money will not help to sell anymore cars, they can't sell what has already been produced. Reality is jobs are going to be lost, wages will be reduced at all levels of the industry. The wage has to be based on the task, not the length of time you have been performing the task. When others in your industry perform similar tasks for 30% less, market share is dropping year after year, people can't afford to buy and operate your products, there come's a point you can't go on. Throw in a world credit crunch, that point arrives quickly. Instead of money to the car makers give the money to the consumers in tax breaks or interest free loans. That would create a need for the jobs, not just delay at a high cost the loss of all jobs.


p west seagrave
said

THERE IS ARE TWO GUARNTEES IN LIFE DEATH & TAXES


Marg
said

The Big3 are going to fail regardless of all the money that the governments chuck at them, they'll just be back and wail & whine for more and more and more. If the auto industry were centered in Alberta or Saskatchewan the government wouldn't be so quick to bail it out; but, since it's in Ontario, they get whatever they want. I am totally disgusted by this waste of our tax money. Pretty soon they'll be dipping into our RSPs and bank accounts to pay for all this nonsense, just you wait.


Rob J
said

The public majority seems to be against what the government is going ahead with, nobody seems to want their tax dollars to go to bail out the big three.
If our government is suppost to represent us and our interests why are they not listening to the majority of Canadian who are saying NO to a bailout.
I feel for the workers that will be affected but as a person who lost their career job over six months ago and was forced to take a job at half of what I was making to survive, I simply have no sympathy for anyone in the auto sector. No body came to bail out my workplace so that I could keep working. To be honest I am just sick of this being the major headline, it is time to put this to bed and move on. It would not sadden me to see GM or the other two close their doors. I can only use my vote to show my displeasue with the government not listening to its people, and I am sure that time will come sooner than later.


Derek Jackson Sarnia ON
said

It doesn't really matter how much money the government here or in the USA throws at the automakers. The big 3 are doomed to unmitigated failure unless the canadian and US governments collectively get their trade policies in order. If we continue to accept with open arms products from other parts of the world who do not allow us to sell our products in their regions our economy will die a slow death. Our trade deficit is a disgrace.


Jack in TO
said

Governments do not have money.They collect them from you & I in form of taxes. If a government wants to help a private enterprise with my tax $$ I want to have a say in it.

Nothing will save Big 3 in US & Canada from bankruptcy. Even in "good times" they were loosing money - what makes anybody think that suddenly GM & Chrysler can wave a magic wand and turn things around?

I say let them go bankrupt - it will be painful for some, but economy will end up healthier without them.


common cents
said

So unions make no concessions but want to dictate the terms.Thats just offensive.


Samuel
said

Steve Taylor, your idea will never work because it makes too much sense.


D Bone, ON
said

Hey all you anti-union types out there: We live in the second largest country in world, with only the 36th largest population. With all we have in this land... maybe us union types are the only ones getting our fair share? Ever think of that?


Please!
said

I'm a contractor out of work my employee's are all getting laid off.
Please Mr Harper can I get some of that cash your handing out, if you want them to keep building cars when there is no market for them can we, can we please MR Harper get some money to build houses that no on wants to buy. Please I know you told me to go gamble on the stocks but they just keep going down. You were right they keep getting cheaper every day there a better deal.


Tim
said

I REALLY WISH someone, the CAW..the Goverment..anyone would just step up to the plate and tell us all why the people who are now living paycheck to paycheck, losing their homes, cars, etc. are the ones that have to pay for to BAIL OUT these companys ?
We don't see CAW offering one thin little dime towards bailing out the auto industry and the people that PAY THE CAW to help them ..
Pass a Law that states anyone making less then $15.00 dollars an hour is TAX EXCEMPT !!
Don't ask the poor to support the upper income bracket !!
We here in Oshawa need help with our high Hydro Rates and paying our bills ...
Help us out CAW !!


troubled_taxpayer
said

Part of the problem is these companies have production capacity that exceeds demand. How can you save jobs when you have excess capacity, espcially when your labour rates far exceed other competitors?

The unions need to realize that this money comes from taxpayers and soften their stance. The key to success will be flexibility from all stakeholders. Unfortunately, that probably means some job losses and some pay-cuts.


Ron In Niagara
said

Just heard on the news that these OVER PAID Auto WORKERS will get 80% of there wage while on layoff-------NO WONDER THE BIG 3 ARE IN TROUBLE.

The union Boss's demanded higher wages and won---The Auto Execs followed by giving them selfs a bigger bonis . Gread followed Gread.

Now nither has money left to line their pockets so we the Tax payer s are TOLD to pay up..MARK MY WORDS ----NOTHING WILL CHANGE. First thing the union will do is demand a bigger raise and get it ...Then the Auto EXEC's will in turn take the Lions share Just as before.....

Hay I need some cash or I'll be in trouble ...how about the rest of you guys....Enough is enough...This is not a Government thing IT'S GREAD !

Big bank Gread is also the problem SCREW THE LITTLE GUY. Then blame the Federal and Provincil Government for the problem...YA RIGHT !

It falls back to plain and simple GREAD !!



kate
said

The CAW will not exist in 10 years - according to experts manufacturing will take place mostly in Asia by then and China will overtake Japan in car production. They are gearing up now to be ready for that day. The Conservatives didn't want to waste money on the auto bailout for that reason, instead they wanted to invest in advanced technologies such as software technology as we will not be able to compete with China for cheaper cars. Any of the Big 3 that do survive will move all their remaining production to Mexico in order to fight that battle. Unless North Americans wake up to the reality that they require a higher education to compete in the new global world - the only jobs available to them will be minimum wage retail jobs. The only reason we are being forced into this bail out is due to the threat of a coalition of dummies who refuses to see the writing onthe wall. Son now our country will go into deficit to give a last gasp to a bunch of losers instead of investing the money for the future.


James in Calgary
said

I hate to see the possibilty of thousands of Canadians losing their jobs. But the inferior product they produce, their rather high salaries for basically production line work, and an antiquated Union makes me question the need to bail them out. My tax dollars should come back to me to help pay for the constant repairs to my vehicle product that the manufcaturer refuses/unable to fix because of inferior workmanship. Sorry Big 3...where were you when I needed honesty, customer service, and a reliable product?


Brent - Penticton, BC
said

Maybe now is the time to think about a complete re-organization/merger of the Big Three into the BIG ONE, with three divisions, GM, Ford, & Chrysler, with re-tooling for future models based on common platforms, research and development consolidated with emphasis on hybrid/electric/fuel cell powered vehicles. Sales and promotion/marketing would be harmonized and dealerships could be restructured. Union contracts would have to be reviewed on the basis of fair wages and benefits, not just to gut organized labour.

Federal government (Canada & US) invest in preferred shares rather than out right bailouts, and outsourcing to be reduced (not eliminated).

This could be a start and if anyone else has constructive ideas, please post. T


Lucas Tam
said

There is no such thing as a "domestic" card. Honda's and Toyotas are built in Canada too.


JMA
said

I believe if these guys want to be bailed out the workers need to take a pay cut. They make way too much for what they do and thats why the big three are having so much trouble.


Gord in Toronto
said

"Auto bailout should hinge on saving jobs: CAW"---WRONG ANSWER!!!!

"But we want to protect our existing investment and our existing facilities. So there has to be a condition of government intervening to support the existing facilities and keep them open."

Think about this folks, our existing facilities (ie assembly lines) are only suitable for producing cars that nobody buy, a bailout would only enable GM to keep those facilities on line longer and build more cars that nobody want.

This sounds like a good plan to throw away more good money after bad.


Fred Clement
said

The CAW president is way off the mark if he feels that everyones' job has to be saved. in this day and age it's impossible and wrong to feel that your job is guaranteed no matter what the expense. There are many people in this country, especially in construction that know they could be without a job any time , so why should it be any different for workers relying on the taxpayer(government).To top it off, why even give a bailout?And don't use the excuse that it saves jobs! If the market is not there for your product, then do something else to make a living instead of always sucking monies out of the taxpayer.


ma larkey
said

love how people put the blame squarely on unions, then in the same breadth mention that no one is buying cars.

ummm, if no one is buying...don't the wages become a moot point? apparently not.

also, if canadian workers get paid, say 3 bucks an hour, will that mean i can buy a new car for say...a quarter of what they sell for now? more than likely, not.

if my government throws money at the bumbling oafs that run these companies, why can't we treat it like we've actually bought into the industry, and have a say. like maybe we determine what kind of cars they make (thereby determining the product is actually WANTED BY THE CONSUMER). and give us, the people who pay for other's mistakes, a true chance to control our destiny.

as a last smart-alec aside, IF our tax dollars end up saving this industry...where can i pick up my multi-million dollar bonus?
or does it go to the screw-ups that put us here in the first place? think we already know that answer....




Lee in Calgary
said

Pehaps it's the media that is missing the point, or perhaps people are simply ignoring the facts.

Myth: GM isn't selling vehicles because they aren't making the cars people want.

Truth: GM sold as many cars last year as Toyota.

Myth: GM doesn't make enough good quality hybreds.

Truth: GM makes more hybreds than any other car maker and the Chevy Malibu has won the best car award two years in a row.

If GM is making good cars that people want to buy then why can't they compete with Toyota. The answer I'm sure is very complicated and I'm sure very smart people have long explanations but as a pretty simple man I can't get past the fact that in the US, the fully loaded labour rate per hour is $72 while the same rate for Toyota is roughly $42. That means that ever car made by GM costs roughly $30 more per hour to make. Based on that unless GM can convince us to pay 60% more for their cars they have to find ways to cut costs in materials, adverstising or deliver methods to stay competetive.

Unless the UAW in the US and the CAW here in Canada come to the table and accept their share of the responsibility and further accept their share of the cuts, in either the number of employees or the wages and benefits then we are only throwing good money after bad, however if GM can get their labour rates close to Toyota then it's a worthwhile investment.

I hope the unions think long and hard about what's best for their members. A $5 per hour wage cut, a few less sick days, a couple of less vacation days and a benefits package closer to other industries or a lump of coal for your members.


Canada Goose Whistler
said

Building more cars at this time is only going to create more problems. A truck at 55,000. today dropped to 37,000. how much profit are they making with this discount?
If they drop another 20,000. off this price to 17,000. I still wouldn't be interested. This is their financial crises more new car would make there problem worst. Their not making money on what they have or are they selling any. So why build more cars? Go to the bank their the people that lend money not me.


Vj
said

It is a lot of money that auto industry is asking for! Looking back, unions are in part responsible for getting here; asking for benefits, packages which were not in long term surivival of this industry. If they cannot accept reasonable wages to show they are able to pay back what they get - they are like any other business. Cannot run company in your means - close it down. Same money can be used for retraining etc, and will go a long way. These wages and packages are unreal under the state of this industry and long term viability.


Layton B in Moncton NB
said

I'm with Steve Taylor, the only true bail out will be if the cars get made and sold. Just handing over billions to the companies is not enough to save jobs. The cars must be made and sold. But instead of a $10 000 rebate, a $5 000 rebate and 600 000 Canadians can get the rebate.
On the other hand, we as a nation could...take over a car company. If they're gonna get saved with our money, then it only stands to reason that we have an ownership stake. Kinda motivates you to buy one when that companies success offsets your taxes don't it. I bet we could get Chrysler cheap. If we wait until January I bet we could get General Motors for a fire sale price. Saturn for a song anyway.
But most of all, people need to stop cheering for them to go under. I cannot believe that any one would cheer for the loss of nearly a million jobs. Look at yourself and think how YOU would feel if someone was cheering for you be unemployed.


Ryan P.
said

Let them go into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. Noone is buying North American cars because this industry has failed to revolutionize. They make the same boring,dull, sub-par quality cars that people under 35 don't want. In addition they are made by overpaid Union members that refuse to accept the fact that their greed is going to cost them their jobs. Use this money to help sectors of the economy which actually have a plan to be profitable, not a sector that will one day be non-existant.


gee
said

Not interested in buying the junk the big 3 sells, and certainly not interested in seeing the Gov bailing them out.


Anne M
said

It seems to me that hte unions are living in la-la land. Saving jobs??? wait a minute,how can jobs be saved, if there is not a demand for the product. Goes back to the old adage of supply and demand.


Lets Stick Together
said

I'm glad to see that the governments of Ontario and Canada are stepping up to the plate and doing something.

If the US comes through (which I'm prett sure it will), then the automakers can buy sometime to get their houses in order.

I still don't think that Chrysler will survive and eventually I believe it will be bought up and wholesale prices and only the money divisions (such as Jeep and the MiniVan) will be sold off in pieces to the highest bidder.

As for GM, well they have a lot of chopping and soul searching ahead of them, it's not going to be easy.

I think the CAW is going to have to belly up to the bar and take it's fair share of the load as well. I guess it's hard for them to figure out that it's best to take a $5per/hr paycut and keep your job, then to stay the status quo and be out of work within weeks.

I wish people on here would stop wishing that the worst thing would happen to these folks and that they would lose their jobs.

I'm not a union person, but to wish harm like this on our fellow countrymen is dispicible.


Denis
said

Sounds like if production goes ahead in January there will be an over stock of 250,000 cars and more huge discounts and losses to move those products. By by tax payers' money!


Against the Bailout
said

I could more easily support this bailout if the unions were willing to show some give on their demands. The average worker slugging it out in today's job market works just as hard or harder than the auto workers and receives only a fraction of what they make. Minimum wage should be $5 per hour higher than it is and auto workers' salaries should be brought in line with other manufacturing and factory jobs. Until the CAW tones down its demands, I will not support the fact that my tax dollars are going to save factories that make low quality cars that no one wants to buy.

KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

Well -- if the bailout passes the car companies will be able to rent more land on which to park all the unsold inventory.

It is just nuts -- there's no other explanation.


ches ns
said

Before one red cent goes to the auto bailout, the CAW should be made to take a 20% rollback on their lavish lifestyle pay checks.Also the big wig CEO's and their high paid cronies should be made to bite the bullet.

John
said

It shows the height of arrogance to ask someone struggling to get by on low wages to use their tax dollars to bailout highly paid or over paid auto workers who produce a product that they will never be able to afford.

This bailout isn't about helping Canadians, it's about saving politicians asses!

Dennis from Moncton
said

The $3.3 billion of our (the Canadian taxpayers) dollars should not just be thrown at the big three for saving jobs. That money needs to be applied to planing that will result in long-term benefits for the Canadian automobile industry as a whole.

This means that the funds need to be applied in a way that will help the big 3 step away from their current business models that are no longer working and help them to adapt their products AND their employee relations to a more realistic, 21st century approach. You know what that means? It means creating greater efficiencies and that translates into fewer people getting things done. No matter which way you look at it, with or without the Fed bailout, jobs are going to be lost. Period.

Throwing all the money at saving jobs will do little or nothing to help. There has to be a fundamental change in philosophy in the way business is conducted. The money should be applied to help the three companies rethink what kind of vehicles they make, how they make them and to who they want to sell them.

The unions need to keep their greedy paws of the loot for the time being.


neil perrie
said

I think it is very telling that the announcement of this $3 billion bail-out coincides with the same week the C.A.W. members get their $1000+ Christmas bonuses. Haha,only at G.M. and all on the taxpayer. What a joke.

GJ
said

save the taxpayers money .. let the UAW and CAW bail em out.. they helped cause it.

The Big 3 business model suggests that they only need 25% of the current manufacturing capacity. Sales are half what they were , and will halve again.

These miltant unions will only serve to destroy more companies, with the only downside to them being ultimately maybe finding a new job and starting the cycle over again.

The biggest jerk I ever met was a union boss. Glad to see kharma coming his way. Maybe he'll have to sell his yacht and covered slip now.

Unions were formed to provide basic workplace protections. Now governments mandate standards.

In my opinion,they only exist in this day and age to extort extreme wages and benefits for extremely unskilled labor, which outside of the realm of a union would be racketeering by any other name.

Allan Eizinas
said

Make any “bailout” or “loan” contingent on an at least 20% cut in wages and benefits for the workers. Why are the $10/hr workers giving or lending their tax money to people making from 3 to 5 times that much?

It would be interesting if Toyota put in a reasonable offer for one of these Big 3 and asked our government for a loan to assist in that purchase.

Chris in Kingston
said

I say let them fold, It will all work out in the wash later...... TIME FOR A CLEAN SLATE Why save all of them. All they want is a way to save themselves..

Will
said

CAW helped cause this mess....they NEED to do their part

rob
said

I understand that it is the union deal to protect jobs, but at this crucial time is it smart to try and make that statement. understanding this it seams to be at a point that there need to be some job losses today or in the near future there will be a lot more job losses.

why would the CAW feller think it a good idea to hinge the support on perserving jobs, jobs to do what, watch an empty assembly line go round and round?? it makes no sense

Eric O'Connell
said

Just more posturing from the fat, self-indulgent auto unions. Why on earth would corporate restructuring (and accountability) include the maintenance of a huge albatross like the CAW/UAW?
Damned unions. They just don't get it! They honestly must not see themselves as the liability they truly are: unskilled, overpaid labour. You don't see the Japanese throwing life preservers to its auto sector, do you? In fact, Honda and Toyota are not laying off any labour at their respective Ontario plants because labour is not a liability for them during this global crisis. They are merely cutting production to match market demand.
The factors which are REALLY killing the Detroit Big Three are, in one sentence:
When every North American must exercise some measure of financial restraint during this global crisis, there is currently little demand for poor quality cars that cost twice as much to built (labour) compared to their Japanese counterparts.
GMC, Ford, and Chrysler must wrap their collective heads around this reality.
Personally, I'd like to see the Big Three sink or swim WITHOUT my tax dollars. It's called, CAPITALISM.........a free market economy. Survival of the fittest, if you will, whereby only those providing the BEST products at the BEST price survive.
It's a novel concept. Detroit should try it some time.


RCR
said

Randy I couldn't have said it better myself. CAW just say thank you and shut up. I don't want to hear your whining and moaning about jobs being kept. You had better prepare your members for the job loses that are coming. Dictating terms at this time is not an option. If it was my decision I wouldn't give you a dime.

Mars Templeton-Johnson
said

The CAW should shut its collective mouth. It's partially because of them that the US automakers are in this bind. The case for the bailout loses all appeal when the unions start spouting off about jobs. The first order of business should be stabilizing, cutting, then retooling plants to make them more efficient so the company can survive. If the unions start listing demands the government should pull the plug on bailouts to these automakers and introduce all those high paid union workers and their 6 figure CAW exec cronies to the poorhouse!


greener plan
said

I like the idea of giving consumers the money - on a sliding scale. Buy fuel effiecient and you get more - buy the standard and get minimal. This would stimulate the economy and as noted earier in this thread, get some older vehicles off the road.
I would not mind a 5 billion plan to help as many people as possible.
The second part is to tell the CAW and UAW - to stay working you need to cut your pay - big time. Don't do that and you WILL loose your jobs. Because the consumer will choose the lowest cost, greenest vehicle.


bob
said

Time for Ken Lewenza to pull his head out of the sand and deal with reality. The CAW has doomed my hometown of Windsor and if we're not careful the whole province will also be doomed.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

BANKER vs. POLITICIAN vs. TAXPAYER:

If I'm a BANKER who's lending money based upon risk and return, I'm not giving "The Little Three" a nickel without a sound plan that involves executive management changes, product design/engineering changes, and union concessions. Period.

If I'm a POLITICIAN, my overriding concern is the economic and, in turn, political fallout from North American automakers going bankrupt. I'm probably going to pull out the government cheque-book to do the politically "responsible" thing, short term.

As a TAXPAYER, I'm ticked off that my money is going to save private, free-market enterprises that have been stubbornly resistant to change and will likely be returning for more money in 6 months. I want major strings and oversight on my money. Period.

Of course, the underlying irony in all this is that the auto-sector "bailout" is for COMPETING businesses. We'll be funding GM, Ford, and Chrysler to battle each other for market share...and survival. We're supposed to believe that they're all going to win equally against the foreign competition.

Funny. (I'm not laughing.)


Larry NL
said

Shutting down auto manufacturers, is common place for the CAW, they do it every time they don't get their way at a bargaining table and that leads to layoffs at the parts manufacturers. If a person wants to work for Ford, GM or Chrysler, they have to join the CAW/UAW unions. People should have the right not to belong to a union that takes money from them every month. In other words if you want to work, you have to pay us to do so.
Sounds like organized criminal activity to me.
And their president looks like the mob leader.
And now this mob wants my hard earned tax dollars.
Get rid of the mob bosses and let the honest people work for a reasonable wage, like the rest of the average factory worker.


Cindy From the North
said

When will it all end? If you bail out the auto industry does that mean that you will bail out the oil companies who cancelled several projects in the oil sands? Those cancelled projects are costing 100,000 jobs in Alberta. Or do you only bail out those companies that have the largest voting population. This has nothing to do with the economy and everything to do with securing votes.


Fredhu in Montreal
said

GM has taken a pro-active step by closing their plants for 4 to 6 weeks in January. Maybe they should close them for a longer period, so should Chrysler and Ford. They should then only re-open the plants that will be required as per market demand. The other plants should be closed for good.
With the money saved and the government help they will probably get in one for or the other they should focus on developing and bringing to market more fuel efficient cars for calendar 2009.
The Detroit 3 have to learn to make money on fuel efficient cars such as the 4 cylinder Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, Chrysler Sebring. These are nice and roomy cars and all 3 should be offered as FULL hybrids. Now the Malibu is offered as a mild hybrid and Ford will soon have a hybrid Fusion. No word on a hybrid car from Chrysler.

As you can see is still a some hope for the Detroit 3 but they do not have any more time to waste.

Also any government help should come with strings attached such as COMPLETE Restructuration: lower executive salaries, lower worker salaries (yes with MAJOR union concessions), commitments to keep US and Canadian plants open, reduce the number of brands to 2 or 2 for each the Detroit 3.

While I do not handing out money, LOANING (no free-bees there) them money is better than the alternatives and what their failures would cause.

Let's be pro-active about this one!


Jack
said

I'm curious why the big three doesn't go back to their stock holders and ask them to differ some of their stock options and payments and take the money and divest it into the company instead of paying profits.
I'm a tax payer, not a stock holder. It's unfair (and IMHO illegal) to bail out any privately held company which I don't have an investment in. It's taxation without representation since I don't have a say in what happens in the company, and the government is taking money away from social program (which taxes are collected for) to GIVE to a privately held company that has stock holders.
It's not right.


David in Exeter
said

Hard times. No doubt. Bankruptcy in a business that is not making money is the ONLY solution. It will be a catalyst for businesses to start and provide products people want, with no unions dictating wages - face it - unions are done with - they served their purpose. There is NO WAY a government need to provide funds - my tax dollars - to a business that is mismanaged and paying employees more than their means allows - that's obvious now. I am not heartless - I ache for all the employees that will lose their jobs should theyu bankrupt - it's business and some are better than others at running them. What about the small or home businesses that are failing - where is their handouts or even a helping hand up - non-exisitent. Things need to change. We live in a democrtic federalist system - we are not a socialist government strings attached society however, if this proceeds it will be the start of something that will be hard to stop - our country's identity (meaning we will be labelled socialist). Aughhhhh.


Maureen
said

Apparently the CAW still doesn't get it - it is not about saving union jobs, its about making sure that the business is sustainable. If that means jobs, great; if not, then there is NOTHING special about a CAW workers job. Many, many, many other sectors (forestry for one) has lost jobs in the last few years and there are not big bailouts for them.


John
said

First of all, this is not a lifeline to the country's auto industry - it is gov't help to three players within the industry.

Here's what the gov't should do - forgive the GST on new car purchases for a period of 6 months. The problem is nobody is buying anything right now. And work with the banks on financing. That should bring out the buyers. And best of all, the consumer will decide who will survive, and who doesn't.

We don't need the CAW and the Big Three collaborating with our politicians. Let the consumer decide who survives.

Joan
said

The crisis is one in which I don't think one can make guarantees about keeping plants open and workers employed.

If there is little demand for vehicles - how can plants move vehicles just produced when there are thousands that were produced earlier and yet continue to sit on lots? In the US, there are literally thousands of vehicles sitting in the ports that have not moved. Now the ports are looking for more land for all these unwanted vehicles. Dealers don't want them because they can't sell them.

I don't think there is any easy answer to this situation. But if the manufacturers are bailed out, it must come with strict requirements and an overseer to see that they are met. Things can not continue as there were - there must be a huge change.

And companies must ensure they adequately take care of their customers. For instance, Ford built an engine in which spark plugs blow out resulting in $3000 plus in repair work. Now, that is ok with a warranty but painful if it has expired. It was a known defect and should be repaired by Ford regardless of warranty. But they won't touch it if the warranty is expired. And blown spark plugs are not something that should be expected. And once one blows, there is no guarantee that the others won't blow a few months down the road. Not something that will make me rush out and buy another Ford.

I think I will likely buy a Toyota next. It's time one gets out of the mentality of the Big Three as the only vehicle manufacturers that benefit the North American economy.

Randy in Kenora.
said

You know there was a time that I only disliked the CAW and it's members. Now I loathe them so. How out of touch and arrogant the CAW is. The government throws the automakers a lifeline and now the CAW is getting involved saying that this lifeline should come with the conditions of maintaining jobs and keeping plants. Just shut up CAW. Perhaps a huge sigh of relief and a thank you is all that should be coming out of your mouths right now. If any conditions should be attached it should be the CAW agreeing to pay cuts before the money is loaned.

JMB
said

The government has no business getting involved in bailing out businesses. This is no way to stimulate an economy because the bubble you create will eventually burst. I’d expect this type of welfare from the NDP/Liberals, but not the Conservatives. Rather disappointing.

If the auto workers aren’t willing to take a pay cut to save their own jobs, why should taxpayers be willing to help them save their jobs? And don’t give me this crap that they can’t live paycheque-to-paycheque – many other people do, especially when the economy is rough, so what makes them so “special”?

If they simply want a handout, the Welfare line is down on the left near the Liberal red carpet. Don’t forget to sign up for the retraining program when you apply.

bunny
said

This is a good move, and shows faith that we need to keep jobs in THIS country. The USA will come up with the money, I am just hoping it all works. I think there is blame enough for everyone. The unions, and the CEO's who take such huge bonuses. Good luck all

Jamie
said

The lots are full here on PEI

The Widowmaker
said

Ya sure. The governments have to bail out mismanaged companies and unions who demand the world but aren't willing to give in return. If my taxes dollars go to help the companies and over paid employees with no concessions I for one will be outraged. I only make $13/hr and I manage to survive. So I'm sure a few bucks an hour cut won't hurt the workers. Oh but then they can't buy everything they want. Gee to bad. Welcome to the real world. Down with the unions. Over paid and under worked. How can you be proud of that.


rodney
said

ah that would save thier jobs for what maybe a year before this money runs out maintaining the same run as we always have pay what we always have in wages benifits and keeep pumping out cars no one is buying nice try there


jeff
said

Canada Goose, the big automaker dealer lots are full of new 2008 and 2009 models. That aren't selling. I was getting some service work on my truck at the local Dodge dealer this morning. In the show room was a 2009 Dodge truck marked down from 55,000 down to 37,000. Plus a trip for 2 to the bahamas. Money to the big 3 won't solve any problems. it will only prolong the sickness that has plagued the N.A automakers for decades. Chapter 11 can't come soon enough.


Lee in AB
said

How to save the Canadian auto industry:

1) NO UNIONS - thats what is making the mess in the first place.

2) No one is buying the big three anymore so invite other companys like the Imports and European companies to invest here since we are buying there cars.

3) Make cars with quailty that people want.

It is not fair that the big 3 can ask for money, or rather OUR TAX MONEY!!! to save them.

I do know that thousands of jobs will be loss but that is the big 3 mismanagement and having the union messes it up as well.

Does it make sence for the union to say no cut to there paycheque when the company isn't making money to try and save the company therefore THERE JOBS!!!

When can they think -_-




Jake former resident of Ontario
said

The CAW and UAW are irrelevant now. Time to fire them all and rehire better workers at a competitive salary.

JD
said

This money should hinge on finding efficiencies and creating a sustainable business model, regardless of the outcome to overall number of jobs. Auto manufacturing needs a complete refresh both in the operating model and at the CAW.


Scott ONT
said

A big part of why the industry is so inefficient is the unions. Ironic that they're trying to tell the government that they should only bail out the sector "if" they get to keep their overpriced jobs. Although unions were good in theory, and maybe even practice 60 years ago, now they are just money and power hungry. The teachers have proven it in the past, the postal workers as well, so civil worker unions and let's not forget these guys.

Steve Taylor
said

Instead of channelling billions to the car manufacturers, why not put it in the hands of consumers? Take that $3 Billion and divide it into 300,000 rebates of $10,000 each. Set up a registry of Canadians interested in buying a new "fuel efficient" car and randomly choose 300,000 names. Not only would that fuel the auto industry, it would also get many old gas guzzlers off the road and strengthen public safety! Why is it that governments always bailout their corporate friends? Isn't it time for consumers to get a break? Canadians would be the winners!

SK
said

Jon in ON - no bank will lend them anymore money as the risk of default is too high. The gov't is their last resort for funds or they will go into bankruptcy.


Canada Goose Whistler
said

The people that buy these vehicals don't have any money! So why put a bunch of people to work to make cars when no one is buying the cars that are in the car lots now.

Or am I wrong are all the car lots empty?
Is there a big demand for cars right now?

Jon in ON
said

Why can't the banking giants that got the 700B lend the Big 3 the money?

It seems that if you need to borrow money, don't you talk to the lending institutions?

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