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Date: Mon. Nov. 17 2008 8:25 PM ET
Canada Post administrative and technical workers are on strike Monday after rejecting a final offer from their employer late last week.
Some of the first picket lines went up in Halifax, Antigonish and Sydney, N.S., and in Fredericton and Saint John, N.B. and St. John's, N.L.
The federal postal service maintains mail delivery will not be affected by the walkout of the 2,140 employees, the majority of which are based in Ontario.
Canada Post spokesperson John Caines said the striking workers represent about five per cent of the people working for the post office.
Caines told CTV.ca that the province-by-province breakdown of the striking workers is as follows:
- 263 in the four Atlantic provinces
- 264 in Quebec
- 1,224 in Ontario
- 132 in Manitoba
- 16 in Saskatchewan
- 115 in Alberta
- 124 in B.C.
- Two workers in the Northwest Territories and the Yukon
The striking administrative and support workers are part of the Union of Postal Communications Employees (UPCE), Caines said, while the people who sort and deliver mail for Canada Post are part of a separate union called the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW).
The details of disability and family-leave benefits in the proposed four-year contract are the main points of contention for the UPCE.
UPCE president Richard Des Lauriers told The Canadian Press that Canada Post has put forward a short-term disability plan that would replace current sick-leave credits and family-related leave provisions "that we've had for over 10 years."
Though Canada Post says mail delivery won't be affected, Des Lauriers suggested it will be eventually.
"We are planning to slow down the mail delivery and put pressure on the employers to return to the table with a decent offer to end this quickly," he told CP from the picket line at Canada Post headquarters in Ottawa.
In a statement, the federal corporation said its offer is rooted in the goals of maintaining the viability of Canada Post and preserving good jobs.
"Consistent with that theme, we believe this is a generous offer, given the current economic climate, that we hope will achieve a new collective agreement that meets the needs of both the employees and the company."
The proposal described by Canada Post as its "final offer" to the union included income protection for all employees, plus a 2.5 per cent salary increase in the first two years of the contract, and a further 2.75 per cent in the final two years.
Here are some further details of the four-year contract offer, as released by Canada Post:
- Job security for all indeterminate employees on strength at the time of contract signing.
- Premiums for night shift and weekend shifts will be increased from $1.15 to $1.40, and evening shift premiums will increase from $0.95 to $1.15.
- Special Leave to be used for urgent family situations, similar to that now available to other bargaining units.
- This is in addition to the seven personal days under the Short Term Disability Program.
- Retention of seven weeks for holidays after 28 years service for all employees at the time of contract signing.
As of mid-afternoon on Monday, Caines told CTV.ca that Canada Post had not yet received a response from the union.
Des Lauriers spoke to CTV.ca on Monday evening and said that he could not comment on the offer from Canada Post because he had not personally seen it yet.
The bargaining is being handled by UPEC's parent union, he said, the Public Service Alliance of Canada.
Des Lauriers said he expects that UPEC will meet with PSAC on Monday night to discuss the offer from Canada Post.
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I fail to see just what a minister could learn by an on site visit that he couldn't get from people who are actual experts in the various fields of work involved. It is doubtful that he is any sort of nuclear engineer or expert in construction. Just another photo op...
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Brian Irving/ calgary
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Christine in the Peg.
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There are a lot of us that support you! I hope you get a fair settlement and can be back at work soon.
Kathy
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Bruce
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Salting decent paying jobs in every city and town can only be a good thing. It seems the comments on this page beg for a "race to the bottom" plan.
Yes, as a Letter Carrier in Nelson, I do better the a Wal-Mart employee, but my paycheck is still less than my rent.
I'm sorry if CEO profit begs us all to work for 3rd world wages.
Acroyear
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Wow the anger and outrage people are venting here today. Imagine working in a place where you have no control over policy yet have to listen to this anger and outrage directed at you everyday, all day. And you can not rectify the situation. Welcome to the front line work - mailman and counter people of Canada Post, encounter everyday at their workplace."
Welcome to every single service job on the planet earth...cry me a freaking river! You think that just because the poor dude at Staples or Zellers doesn't walk in the cold he doesn't get any less abuse from the public?
"Walk a mile in someone's shoes before you are quick to pass judgement. It is only fair."
THIS is the attitude that is getting you condemned. Btw, I get freaking rural delivery so I DO have to walk approx. a mile to get my BLANKY BLANK mail.
I don't give a fig who is to blame, the service from Canada Post compared to the US Postal Service or The Royal Mail sucks...period. So yeah, I'm not exactly dripping with warm feelings towards the reasons for this strike when I have zero job security and have a grand total of 12 sick and family emergency days a year.
Oh, and as for the "then join a union" comments...get real! In THIS economy?! Any one of us could be replaced with the snap of your bosses fingers, and he/she knows it, so yeah....unionizing right now would be such a smart response to the hard economic times.
What world do these people come from? Oh...right, insular world of the crown corp...forgot.
James Kelowna
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Unions have helped raise the standard of living over the years for Canadians, without them, we'd all be working 3 jobs with zero benefits, just to make ends meet. Don't be so jealous.
Kellie
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I work for Canda Post sure we make a good wage sure we have benefits. But really so do alot of others, probably including yourself. You know everyone is quick to judge the post office and our union without even being involved. If you order a special service via Canada Post you receive that service. eg.Priority, express. We deliver parcels from all over the world from your loved ones to your doorstep or yes, superboxes.
Canada Post has great employees great supervisors and great management. The general public has the wrong idea about Canada Post and really until you are in our shoes or have done our jobs (because our jobs are not easy at all) please stop passing judgement on the Service that is offered to you. The strike is happening and it really only affects approx 2200 employees in total of Canada. So the mail will keep flowing and remember your mail carrier, parcel delivery couriers and inside workers do go the extra mile to get your loved ones parcels/letters delivered to you.
Merry Christmas all....
Mr Chillz
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As a mailman in Toronto, I'm sickened by the comments people are quick to make about the letter carriers. 99.9% of the bloggers on here wouldn't last a week doing my job.
Trust me, I earn my wages delivering the mail. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you judge, folks.
Anne
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These Canada Post workers - Clerical/Adminstrative - mostly female are only fighting to keep what they have.
They are not interested in Concessions.
They don't want an employer who made millions and millions of dollars profit - yes non unionized people, your money too - taking away something that was already fought for.
It is like our provincial government deciding to make the minimum wage less again. Same thing. Nobody would want that.
And these postal workers don't want to give up what they are entitled too.
Seems like something I would fight for.
Go folks, Go. You do deserve it.
Scott ONT
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"Diogenes
As someone affected by this strike I have to say that the number of belicose replies to this topic is a little off-putting.
But I have to say that despite these comments, whether informed or uninformed, that people have to understand that this comes down to the principle of fairness. Canada Post's management has refused to negotiate on the point of personal leave and Sick Days. They want Canadian citizens to foot their medical bill. That's right if I get sick for longer than a week then Canada Post management wants you the tax payer to foot the bill.
Me I just want to do my job, and if I have to work longer to get sick days so that my fellow Canadians don't have to pay for them, so be it. C'mon if management thought this was such a hot idea, why didn't they do it first? After all, that's leadership. "
brad
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Rob
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Rene
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You want to talk about overpaid postal worker's funny I do not hear anyone complaining that the CEO of Canada post takes home a nice paycheck not to mention the fact that she is paid to sit on the Board of Directors for Tim Horton's, so who's raking in the cash? After all it is Moya and her Greene team that continue to increase the price of postage yet they continue to make profits year after year, 14 years to be exact.
CUPW (Canadian Union of Postal Workers) went on strike in the 80's for maternity leave and this fight was won thanks to a union which all Canadians have a right to access.
25 years as a front line worker at Canada Post
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Walk a mile in someone's shoes before you are quick to pass judgement. It is only fair.
Christina, student at Carleton University
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I'm deeply saddened. By the fact that a deal has not yet been reached - and upset that so many people here can leave such insensitive comments!
Seriously, everyone should be entitled to a competitive wage (amongst other things). They *are* providing an important service.
Delores
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Mike
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Gordon
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I recently had to call them six times, just to stop delivery of junk mail.
The Federal Government should "Tender Out" mail delivery to a private company like Federal Express or UPS.
If the private companies can deliver parcels with greater efficiency: which they do! Letter Mail should be a piece of cake.
melodie
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Poor management and lack of direction as a Crown corporation are what ills this service - not the workers.
Prime example. Canada Post added a "fuel surcharge" to parcels when fuel prices were skyrocketing BUT they did NOT pass any of that money onto the 6000+ workers who uses their personal vehicles for mail delivery. I found myself making less and less every month yet the Coporation was raking in more and more dollars. So I quit. But I shouldn't have had to leave a job that I both enjoyed and did well because the corporation didn't take care of its employees.
Our country should strive to have decent, good paying jobs in every sector of the economy and we need to stop bad mouthing the ordinary folks who labor hard every day. Just like when you hear a bank made 1 billion dollars in 2007 and the executives raked in huge million dollar bonuses we shouldn't call the bank teller greedy when they ask for a raise.
J
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Like John in Fredricton said,"visit PSAC.com and then make your comments"
With the cutbacks in sick leave and family realted leave, I would be striking as well.
Who in there right mind would want an insurance provider making the decision on if you are sick or not. They would have the final say if you got paid for the time off due to illness. Makes sense to me? If you got a combined 20 days a year in these 2 types of leave and your employer wanted to cut that back to 7 days, who would be causing an uproar then?
Good for them, why settle for cutbacks.
Marie
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The expression 'oh, we are now one employee to do the job of 10 because of cut-backs' is hugely exagerated. One employee can do the job of 10, not impossible to do, however now the difference is there is no time to play games on your computer as I've seen it done many times.
In the small town where I live, the Post Office is now moved into Drugstores, well, my advise to these strikers is watch out, they may close down your building (Post Office) and move it to a drugstore near you and then you'll find yourself 'striking yourself out of a job'.
tony
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Kirk
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John E
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BK
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Linda
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Don in BC
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Hudsy
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William
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Canada Post is top heavy with management,there is a VP for over 40 different departments. The only reason Moya Greene wants more profits so she can get her 33% bonus by pawning off her sick leave obligations to Employment insurance. It is her that wants us to use EI instead of our banked sick leave. PSAC employees average pay is 39 000 a year, hardly overpaid, and this is not about PSAC's wages. This is about Canada Post abusing the EI fund.
Mark
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Sara
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Sylvain Ottawa
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Time to give back and provide good services
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Canada Post unions always vote 80% against not a very good idicator for us.
The buttom line is have to become affordable for us normal Canadian workers. It is not us that should get a union, it should be you that get rid of yours.
It is time to face the reality. Let's privatize this union and focus on good service instead on more concessions to the PC workers.
Diogenes
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But I have to say that despite these comments, whether informed or uninformed, that people have to understand that this comes down to the principle of fairness. Canada Post's management has refused to negotiate on the point of personal leave and Sick Days. They want Canadian citizens to foot their medical bill. That's right if I get sick for longer than a week then Canada Post management wants you the tax payer to foot the bill.
Me I just want to do my job, and if I have to work longer to get sick days so that my fellow Canadians don't have to pay for them, so be it. C'mon if management thought this was such a hot idea, why didn't they do it first? After all, that's leadership.
Don't let the union ruin your life....
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I feel sorry for the employees at Canada Post who have been brainwashed by the Union Boss. The Union Management will not be the one without days of pay taking out of their salary on the next pay cheque. The Union Management is not the one facing a lock-out from Canada Post should this strike keep on. Get the Union out of the way and let those employees work and take home a pay cheque in these hawfull days of unemployment in Canada and the world. The Union is now saying that CPC is liyng and did not present them an offer last night so that they could start their strike this am and not present this last offer to the employees who would have taken it immediately. Also, the Union should look at the way they treat their own employees and look at the no benefit clause at retirement. Their employees went on strike for this and still did not get it. Some Component of the PSAC lockout their employees on strike for 6 months over indexed pension plan and many more so let the CPC employees go back to work, return to the bargaining table and get serious and realistic. CPC made a final reasonable offer - it should be presented to the employees so they can vote on it. Also, this sick leave, etc., the teachers, the nurses, etc, in Quebec have had that benefit for many years. Nobody complains about it. The teachers in Quebec do not even have a dental plan....or parental leave or family care leave or marriage leave or many others available at Canada Post. Job security ...get back to work
Jay, Ottawa
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Okay I did. Sending a 30x30x30cm box using FedEx was $4.00 cheaper than Canada Post's cheapest rate. I think that's the point everyone is trying to make.
Carmel Divine
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You are making "blanket comments" to "let off steam" over past problems you have had with the post office and Canada Post.....dating back years....
Canada Post is in effect attempting to strip these workers of their sick leave, something that they have fought for in the past.
Canada Post's contract proposal was voted against by more than EIGHTY per cent of these employees.
This is an absolutely incredible rejection majority. Nobody wants to strike in these times...
The workers can't help it that you don't have this benefit....Maybe you should get a unionized job too!....
Canada Post is just playing games with this small union, so they can have their big chance with CUPW in a few years...
That is what this strike is all about...
MJ
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Clem
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Barry
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Daryl
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Pay decrease is in order!!!!
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Union may have been great in the 50th but now they are outdated especially for CP.
They are simply rude and unproductive. Who really wants to give them a raise based on their performance?
Let them face the same reality that we face these days. They deserve a pay decrease let them have that instead!
Steve G
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Hmmmm...maybe privatization isn't so rosy after all?!?!
The Hammer
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I can only hope the tempeture drops dramatically. Let them freeze. I sure hope the Government for once dosen't cave into these over priced stamp licker's. I agree with previously posted comments, it's no wonder FedEX and UPS are more reliable than our own Crown Corp.
Shan
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Gillian
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With the internet and technology fewer people are mailing letters so with this situation I will now send a birthday card to our grandson via the internet at no charge. I would prefer to have the card arrive at home for his birthday but if there is no guarantee I will use the alternative.
When visiting the U.S. we have wonderful service from the USPS including home pickup and Saturday delivery.
These people need a reality check.
Cambob
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Tom (Ottawa)
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Do you not see what you are doing to your fellow citizens, you are supporting the idea that they go on unemployment. This is bad as it takes the economic down faster with the present crisis.
I am shocked that only a few people have brought up the exaggerated wages and bonuses that are paid to CEO, CFO, etc. In my mind that has to stop.
Keep the jobs for the working man and woman, they are the ones who move the economy by being spending and paying taxes to support they families.
I truly feel disgusted by these heartless comments. You are not wrong to ask for a better quality of life.
Hudsy
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Ronald
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John
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John Fredericton NB
AE from BIG T.O.
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In Toronto, CP is very good and reliable. My mail-lady is amazing. There are times when I had mail with the wrong address and she still delivered to me. She leaves notes if packages are too big or if she couldnt leave them in a safe spot.
If all CP employees are like her, I think they deserve to be treated better than right. If not, then she's an exception and should get promoted!
But I agree with a poster from Quebec who said that CP workers are horrible in that province. I experienced that when I lived in Montreal for 1/2 a year.
DW
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"I worked my whole life for 2 cents an hour, 80 hours a week with no sick days and no vacation days so everyone else should have to do the same!" blah blah blah...
You know what folks? We get it. You work hard and things are hard for you. But you know something? So do others and it's hard for them too.
Why bemoan someone else's life? What good does it serve you?
And it's not unions that destroy jobs and economies. It's globalization. Unions are postponing the inevitable and providing decent lives for Canadian families in the meantime.
Higher wages pay higher taxes and spend more in their local economies. That's good for everyone.
To me it sounds like you all want lower wages, more competition amoungst ourselves, and more globalization. You all actually want Canada to become a third world country?
Every human born on this planet deserves a quality of life only equal to the quality of life that can be afforded every other human on the planet. No one deserves more or less than that.
tired of unions
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Yo yo Ma
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Charles from Ottawa
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I'm so fed up with their continual bickering that I have signed up for every possible on-line and electronic statement.
Richie
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Judy
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Ronald
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RK
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Steve - Montreal
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Jay
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Also, for anyone who receives epost billing, that is owned by CPC, so online billing through epost is done by these PSAC employees. My sister is one of them.
JR
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David P
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The era of the post office is drawing to a close. I'm sure I will see in my lifetime Canada Post losing its lettermail monopoly; already, I try to get packages shipped by other than Canada Post, due to their lackadaisical customer service, and leisurely delivery times.
Angry at Unions
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Unions have done great things to protect the hard working people decades ago. I won't take that away from them. Unfortunately in todays times, they're protecting non hard working people that feel that they're entitled to more pay with lack lustre performance.
Richard
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Dave
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Sign
Look Elsewhere for sympathy
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Sorry, no sympathy
Still waiting for my mail!!!
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canadapostiskillingmybusiness
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Tanya
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JON in ottawa
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unionized employees ...have more vacation time, sick days, personal days, better benifits, buy out packages, early retirement and better pay than the average canadian. They should have a pay scale that is based on the average canadian wage. when they are hired they know the pay thats its thats all, no more right to strike, something given up when you decide to work for the tax paying people of this country.
no wonder bussinesses are moving out of the country its only china,india and mexico that people want to work. Unions end up killing every private sector bussiness as they eventually can't compete. Its just government that keeps paying more and more and more. We never hear anything about these issues at election time.
Phil
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Roger the Grey
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GunShot you are in lala land!!!!
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Going to the Post office remains my worst customer's experience, it's like we are disturbing them!!!
Shame on them and fire them all, we may then start to hire new personnel that want to serve thier customers.
I would write to them to tell them but they could never deliver it of course!!!
Fire them all and start over again with employees that wanna work!!!
R/H Ontario
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WHAT? I worked for 50 (FIFTY) years and still only got 2 weeks vacation a year. Get rid of the CP and let private firms do it... They will and for less than it's costing us now. Fire the lot of them, and start over. Just like the GREED of the auto workers, this be the end of the CP, and not before time. I use online for most things and can easily send parcels and letters by UPS or Courier, No problem!
waynew62
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Sure easy to rush to judgement people!! You in your non union jobs have said it yourselves but your too stupid to see it.Canada post is trying to roll back benefits that were fought for and the workers are not standing for it,plain and simple.
D.Mac
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Allan Eizinas
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Perhaps those who have recently lost their jobs would apply for those postal jobs that have to be done when the current work force walks out.
Acroyear
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The rest of Canada so mistrusts the motive of ANY union right now that they could be striking for something they genuinely need and I'd bet the farm most Canadians wouldn't give a fig or listen.
Greed, corruption and not caring a damn what the people of Canada think about them is coming back to haunt unions now...especially when once again they really do have a looming crisis to protect their members from.
And having said all that, I think a good house cleaning of the admin posts at Canada Post is long overdue...I'd equally bet that same farm that it's as bloated in admin positions as any other crown corp.
So, short version? I have no sympathy for this strike...make us believe you actually deserve what you're asking for, then ask for our support if you strike.
Henry Wysmulek
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As we have seen in this recession, poor management decisions have cost all of us millions, and the employees are the ones to lose their benifits and jobs, while these lowsy managers get millions in compensation for screwing everything up?
The screwups get millions, while everyone else loses everything.
Todd Hagar
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Ray
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ron in victoria
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GutSHOT
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For all you anti-union folks that think the postal service employ is overpaid and the fees are too great..... Have you ever thought that just maybe you guys are being paid too little, rather than union jobs paying too much?
Perhaps instead of crying about how much money and benefits others receive, you should be worrying about your own?? Or is it because you want to be leading the race to the bottom??
Mailing a letter is the best bargain there is in Canada. They do a good job. Are they perfect? No, but who is?
Im a non-union employee, and I support my postal workers in their bid for what I see as reasonable. To those who dont, maybe you should get your own affairs in order.
Janet
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The mail never get there anyway!!!!
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Go Union GO!!!!
Postal Booter
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This branch of Government is so inefficient, and costly, that a private owner would establish "SERVICE", at a much cheaper cost, & be a non-union company as well.
"LET FREEDOM RING WITH A NEW PRIVATE ENTERPRISE"
mark in toronto
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And what's this? These are unionized paper-pushers! So nice that that the union is there to protect them in these unfair times.
Be lucky you are employed you selfish, selfish people. You have it so good already. You will not receive any sympathy from Canadians and taxpayers.
When there's a layoff at CP,
I hope you 2100 are the first to go. I really really do. Then maybe you'll realize it's not that bad.
J
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The sick time and family related time that these people get is great...time off to take ailing parents/children to dr's appointments...etc.
CPC wants to drop the credits to 7 personal days a year...not to mention that if they have to be off for a longer period off time, the insurance provider will have to determine if they are sick or not, a note from the doctor will not be good enough. That in turn will make for more doctors fees for all of the extra forms that will have to be filled out.
The wage offer is fair, not what the private sector would get, but don't touch benefits.
If this was a benefits cut that was proposed to the BIG 3, even the public would be up in arms.
Logan
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T in BC
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Mercedeez
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Golf Company Grunt
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'Pro Patria'
lisa pryce
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Marc
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Greg - Signs and Wonders
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More union BS !
Two or 3 weeks of posturing and they're demands will be met.
Sadly, it's these union people that'll soon deliver UI cheques to the soon-to-be former union employees of a once global company GM.
Get your heads out of the sand!!! Unions are yesterdays soup!!
Peter Griffiths
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Union and members also note; unfortunate laid off Nortel High Tech workers would love to have your jobs, but probably couldn't land them because they would be classed as over qualified.
Shannon
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Calgary Sabre 2
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upset
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Jim-Surrey
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Posties! just do your job and be thankful you have one!
Pete
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Mark
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ron in victoria
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island girl
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DW
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Yeah! Privatize everything!
I, personally, hope they privatize the water supply. I'd love to start paying three or four times the amount I am now.
Then they can deregulate it so that the water companies
police themselves on safety. People will get sick but it'll only be the poor ones who can't afford the "premium service".
Making profit off of our life necessities is fantastice! How dare any worker ever ask for anything! They should just be happy they're alive! Only the rich & powerful in this world deserve anything!
Sahib Reginawale
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Brad
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Nancy - BC
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Someone should suggest they watch the news so they can understand the state of the economy.
Time to dissolve the union.
Robert Collin
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Pip
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Personally, I would like to see a breakdown of Canada Post employess: what percentage are management, what percentage administrators and supervisors, what percentage are people who actually sort, transport and deliver the mail and interface with the public. If the combination of management and other administration is greater than 15%, the whole structure needs to be re-examined.
In the meantime, my christmas mail for overseas is well on its way, and I'm sure I'll find a way to deliver in-country cards.
Mike you are real funny
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You are right we could never do that bad and as slow as they doing now!!!! They have decades of experience of doing a very poor job!!!
Send them all home, now!!!
You have a point!!!
Martin in Ottawa
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I hate to say it but it's most government type jobs where you see people striking. Wish they would try the Private industry and then see what they say.
If you don't like your government job and it's standard type payscale... LEAVE. The private industry pays your salary after all. If you want to get paid more, take some risks.
George
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Too much time on peoples' hands and not enough productivity. Anyone remember when the mail was delivered door-to-door twice daily but only once on Saturday. Those were the days that folks gave tips to the mailman. Now what do most people like delivering to the postal workers? A tip alright but not a monetary one.
Lawrence
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The auto industry unions bankrupted the big 3 out of greed and lost tens of thousands of jobs, and the Canadian Postal workers will lose jobs as well, as they push more and more people to utilize online mailing and FedEx, UPS, or local Buses for parcels. But they don't see this as they are also blinded by greed.
Jimmy B - Perth Ontario
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Mike
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Send them all home for good and move on!!!
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a very poor service while we pay a very high price, not a good combo. Send them all to retirement and get rid of them for good!!! We can then hire emplyees that wanna work, enjoy their work and their customers. We deserve it!!!
Julie
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Bruce from Cambridge
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Rob P
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Sherry
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Don Reid London
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