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Billy Corgan performs with the Smashing Pumpkins on Saturday night, June 23, 2007, at the Orange Peel, as the reunited band kicked off a nine-show run at the Asheville, N.C., club. (AP / Asheville Citizen-Times, Jason Sandford) 'He was dragged over to security by a couple of unknown people,' Vancouver police spokesperson Const. Howard Chow told CTV British Columbia on Sept. 26, 2007. 'It wasn't what we would call a heavy moshing or crowd-surfing group but there certainly was some, and quite frankly you cannot prevent it. We do our very best to discourage it though,' PNE spokesperson Laura Balance said.

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Date: Wed. Sep. 26 2007 10:20 PM ET

A Smashing Pumpkins concert in B.C. turned deadly Monday night after a 20-year-old man was found unconscious in a mosh pit.

Police say the Richmond man's death may have been related to crowd-surfing or moshing, but the B.C. coroner's office said it won't know for certain until Thursday.

"He was dragged over to security by a couple of unknown people," Vancouver police spokesperson Const. Howard Chow.

"Security realized right away that he was unconscious, they called over first aid right away and they tried to administer what they could," Chow told CTV British Columbia.

First aid staff at the PNE Forum in Vancouver worked on the man until he was taken to St. Paul's Hospital where he was later pronounced dead, said Chow.

Chow said there is no foul play or suspicious circumstances surrounding the death.

On Wednesday, concert promoters expressed condolences to the family of the man.

"We have heard preliminary reports that a patron had a medical emergency at the PNE Forum on Monday evening and was later pronounced dead at St. Paul's hospital,'' said John Vlautin, vice-president of communications for concert promotion company Livenation.

"We are currently awaiting an official report from local authorities. We extend our deepest condolences to the family and friends of the deceased."

The B.C. coroner's office is investigating the incident as a possible crowd-surfing or moshing death.

Crowd surfing is a practice where audience members are boosted up above the crowd and pushed along by other fans.

Moshing is an aggressive form of dance where fans, typically those closest to the stage, push or slam into each other, usually in time with the music.

Chow wouldn't confirm the cause of death, but said it could be linked to moshing or crowd-surfing at the concert. About 3,800 people were in attendance.

In 1996, a 17-year-old fan was killed in a mosh pit at a Smashing Pumpkins concert in Dublin.

The PNE has a three-strike policy on crowd surfing and fans that break the rule are kicked out. But staff admit it's a difficult rule to enforce.

"It wasn't what we would call a heavy moshing or crowd-surfing group but there certainly was some, and quite frankly you cannot prevent it. We do our very best to discourage it though," PNE spokesperson Laura Balance told CTV News.

However, she said officials would await results of the coroner's investigation before commenting further.

"In fairness to family and friends of this individual we just don't want to start speculating. It's just a really, really sad ending to what started out to be probably a very fun night for a young man," she told CP.

With a report from CTV British Columbia's Dave Lefebvre

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C.F.
said

While I don't like the idea of mosh pits, I'd like to know if the mortality rate is any higher than many of the other activities that reckless kids engage in. I think that if someone is aware of the risks associated with a certain activity, that should be good enough. We shouldn't impede on people's freedoms just to protect them from themselves. Do we even know if this person died because of the mosh pit? They could have overdosed on drugs for all we know, and that, of course, is already illegal.


Patrick
said

Nobody is ever forced to be in the mosh pit area. Enter at your own risk.


Slayer
said

You risk getting killed everytime you drive your car. Thousands of people die every year because of cars. Should we ban cars too? Cars sure are dangerous and I never saw the fun in them.
FREEDOM of choice!


Roxy
said

This was indeed a tragic accident, and I'm very sorry to hear of it.

Being a concert goer myself, I feel it is easy for people who are not familiar with mosh pits to see them as barbaric and dangerous. This isn't the case, mosh pits are a fun way to enjoy a concert and interact with the crowd. Everyone is there to have a good time, and help out anyone that needs it. We aren't there to beat one another up, but to jump around and get the full music experience.

In my experience at concerts, if someone needs help or is uncomfortable in the situation, we are always there to help them.

Unfortunately, accidents do happen. But speaking as someone who moshes and crowd surfs on a regular basis, we are all there to have fun and not hurt anyone.

I do admit I am a bit shaken at the news, as I was in that crowd at the Pumpkins concert. I am very sorry for what family and friends must be going through. It's a terrible loss, but don't ban mosh pits from concerts, that would take away from the whole experience of the show. Anyone who has ever experienced the thrill will most likely agree that it isn't usually dangerous, and it's a great way to enjoy the band.


J.B.
said

Mosh pits are stupid, simple as that. Then again, so is the music that attracts such a crowd. Whatever happened to sitting back and taking in a mindblowing musical experience like a King Crimson or John Coltrane concert?


Greg
said

Mouse, I don't know if we should ban mosh pits. If those involved want to take the chance of participating in such activities, they do so at their own risk. I just hope that the venues are not held responsible.


Evan G
said

Mosh pits are a lot of fun, and I'll not let some person who does not understand the culture of alternative and metal music to tell me not to do it. The only people who get hurt are those who are not smart, or do to many drugs. In general, people moshing are very friendly and will ensure that nobody gets stepped on, and they do not throw any punches. The fact that people in the crowd brought this fellow to the front should tell you that these people aren't crazy.

And let's not jump to conclusions here. There is no evidence presented that absolutely states that moshing was the reason this person died. It is very possible that the death was completely unrelated to being in the pits. It could be completely unrelated (ie a previously unrelated health problem).


C.Teichrib
said

I have been to many concerts and gotten caught in mosh pits,it was uttlerly terrifying I was lifted completely off my feet and faught falling a few times. My 16 year old nephew was grabbed and lifted up to be sent crowd surfing against his will by complete strangers (stoned men in their twenties) before another grabbed him and said no he's too young and pulled him away. It took me about 15 minutes to get out of the pit in one situation and i was left to watch the concert from much further back. Always a bad experience all around and not necessary. Enjoy the band you came to see!


Keavin
said

Mosh pits are both entertaining and easy to avoid. If the crowd is too aggressive for you, simply move further from the stage. There have been far more deaths related to downhill skiing than to moshing. Should this activity be banned as well?


Cen
said

I use to love moshing when I was a teenager back in the 90's... but now it just hurts, it really isn't any fun. I feel bad for Billy Corgan, this is probably really weighing on his conscience. I know he really lamented the Dublin tragedy, and has been against agressive moshing ever since. I felt compelled to comment on this since I've been an obsessive Pumpkins fan for half my life. My heart goes out to the family of that young man, as well as Billy and the Pumpkins.


Gary
said

Moshing should be banned. Anything that young people enjoy is most likely bad for them. Teenagers are inherently evil. Rock music should be banned also, it is the cause of all evil.


Craig
said

I go to concerts to enjoy the music and don't appreciate being punched in the gut or being knocked over simply because I stood too close to the mosh pit.

Now I know most moshers would say to just "move out of the way" or "if you don't want to get hit, stand aside". Well, I usually get to the venue really early so I can get a spot up front, only to have to give it up and stand in the back so I don't get beat up.


mouse
said

My answer to today's survey was yes. Should mosh pits be banned from being at concerts. The reason for the yes was you hear of too many injuries and death that have occurred because of them. Is it really worth it to get hurt just to have so called fun in these pits. I have never seen the fun behind it.


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