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Date: Wed. Jul. 18 2007 8:31 PM ET

Conrad Black will return to a Chicago courtroom Thursday for his bail hearing. But the prime minister said Black won't receive any special treatment should he attempt to return to Canada.

Black renounced his Canadian citizenship in order to enter the British House of Lords after a dispute with former prime minister Jean Chrétien.

Speaking from the Chilean capital of Santiago, where he is on a Latin American tour, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Black would have to go through regular channels if he wants to enter Canada or regain his Canadian citizenship.

"I have made it clear to our officials that there will be no political recourse," Harper told reporters during a news conference.

"We will handle this case as we handle the vast majority of these cases, through the law that is written and the decision of officials.''

Black, a former media baron, was convicted last Friday of mail fraud and obstruction of justice in a Chicago courtroom.

On Thursday, Judge Amy St. Eve will decide whether he should be remanded into custody or be allowed to stay free on bail until his Nov. 30 sentencing on fraud and obstruction of justice charges.

Black surrendered his passport pending his bail hearing.

Harper was asked whether he would rescind Black's status as a Privy Councillor. He responded by saying he wasn't aware that former prime minister Brian Mulroney had named Black to the Privy Council.

"Obviously the court process would have to be completed before we take any decisions," he said.

Harper said he would not make any decision until the court case has been settled. He added Black is free to use normal avenues to attempt to return to Canada if his bail is extended until his sentencing hearing in November.

CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said Black's strong allegiance to conservative parties won't change Harper's position.

"Mr. Black had been a very strong financial supporter of the Canadian Alliance when Mr. Harper was involved in that party, not only in terms of money, but also through his newspaper chain, supporting the Canadian Alliance as a political party," Fife told Newsnet.

One of Canada's top immigration lawyers, Lorne Waldman of Waldman and Associates, said Tuesday that Black stands a good chance of getting a temporary resident permit to return to Canada if he is released at his bail hearing.

Waldman, whose firm represented Maher Arar, said it would be a normal course of events if the citizenship and immigration minister allowed Black to return as a visitor.

Citizenship and Immigration Canada spokesperson Karen Shadd-Evelyn said that "in general, a person convicted of a serious crime is inadmissible to Canada."

This means that a convicted felon is barred from visiting Canada even for a day.

However, Immigration Minister Diane Finley has the discretionary authority to give Black permanent residency on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

If Black is allowed to come back, he would be among nearly 1,000 foreign nationals with criminal convictions punishable by sentences of 10 years or more who are granted such permits to live temporarily in this country every year.

As for Black's Order of Canada, Harper isn't going to get involved, saying it is "largely within the purview of the governor-general."

The NDP has submitted an official request to the Chancellery of Honours at Rideau Hall to have Black removed as officer of the Order of Canada now that he has been convicted of criminal offences.

NDP Heritage critic Charlie Angus said allowing Black to hold on to Canada's highest civilian honour undermines its integrity.

"You have this extremely unusual situation of a man who turns his back on his country, but is still a member of the Order of Canada," said Angus. "And now he's a convicted felon. I'm sorry, the precedent is if you're a convicted felon you're no longer a member of the Order of Canada."

Black biographer George Tombs said the loss of any titles would be particularly devastating for the man.

"Conrad Black cares a lot about his social standing and a lot about the various honours he has received," said Tombs.

Black's leading defence lawyer, Edward Greenspan, said in a statement that any move to strip his client of his Order of Canada should wait until the judicial process is completed.

Black was originally inducted as an officer, the second highest level of the Order, for his achievements in commerce, literature and the arts, as well as charitable works. His business ventures have ''enhanced Canada's visible presence internationally,'' the announcement from his appointment read.

Only two other recipients of the Order of Canada have ever been stripped of the honour since it was introduced in 1967.

Former hockey czar Alan Eagleson lost his in 1998, shortly after he was jailed on fraud charges connected to his leadership at the National Hockey League Players Association.

Aboriginal leader David Ahenakew, once the chief of the Assembly of First Nations, had his appointment terminated in 2005 after he was found guilty of wilfully promoting hatred by a Saskatoon court. He had referred to Jews as a "disease.''

Black faces decades in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for his convictions.

With a report from CTV's Rosemary Thompson and files from The Canadian Press

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Dave Barton
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I find it amusing how fast our Mr Black has lost his pompous,arrogant and strutting attitude now he has been found guilty. He had no time for Canada or it's people and to contradict the so-called manner he helped Canadians employed in the newspaper industry his primary motivation was to help Conrad Black as shown by the evidence at his trial.If he really wanted to help us lesser being and riff-raff I believe he wouldn't have lied and cheated to pocket the money due to all the shareholders of Hollinger!
The offer of a peerage and a seat in the British House of Lords must must have been truly irresistable to this egotist.....well,Black old chap, I truly hope those ermine robes keep you warm in that chilly jail cell....
As for me,an ex-Brit, it would take much more than a seat in the House of Lords and all of Black's remaining ill-gotten gains to get me to leave this beautiful country.
Conrad baby, you were a victim of your own greed and you blew it big-time!


Char
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I am amazed at the pity some people are taking upon Lord Black. Not long ago, Lord Black was turning his nose up to Canada, relinquishing his citizenship for a title. Canada is no longer his country of citizenship by his choice. What is the issue here? Let him serve his time in Britain, the country he so truly wanted to belong to. If the government even entertains the thought of allowing him to become a "visitor" to the country while awaiting sentencing, it's an insult and abuse of the immigration system. Why is it exceptions can be made for one? Let him stand in line like the others and, wait. He's rude, arrogant, self centered and, clueless as to the world around him. Why would you take pity on an thief caught redhanded on tape? Wake up!


Keith Olson
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Some of these comments are suggesting the P.M. has had some influence on this so called return of Black to Canada. I think you should read the P.M.'s comments on this matter, he says that he will not interfere and Mr. Black will be treated the same as any other person. A fair and responsible comment, one most Canadians will support.


Matt
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Did some of you not read the article? It clearly said that Harper would NOT interfere one way or the other with Black getting into the country. I'm not really sure how you justify smearing Harper over saying he would treat Black like everyone else...


Normand Biladeau
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Conrad Black holds a birth certificate issued by the government of Quebec. Date of birth 25 August 1944. If he arrives to any border post in Quebec he can enter to the NATION of QUEBEC as QUEBEC has special powers on Immigration to Canada. He can then choose to live in Westmount or the Bridele path.


CanadianExPat-Wayne
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Three cheers for Dr. M. H. Zaputovitch and Vincent. Disregard the fact that this man was instrumental in building a strong newspaper INDUSTRY in Canada, disregard all the thousands of people he helped give life to, disregard the fact his was born in Canada, and you all are no better than he is.


Normand Biladeau
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Conrad Black holds a bith certificate issued by the government of Quebec.Date of birth 25 August 1944. If he arrives to any border post in Quebec he can enter to the NATION of QUEBEC as QUEBEC has special powers on Immigration to Canada. He can then choose to live in Westmount or the Bridele path.


CanadianExPat-Wayne
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Three cheers for Dr. M. H. Zaputovitch and Vincent. Disregard the fact that this man was instrumental in building a strong newspaper INDUSTRY in Canada, disregard all the thousands of people he helped give life to, disregard the fact his was born in Canada, and you all are no better than he is.


Betty
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Why would we want someone who didn't want us!


CanadianExPat-Wayne
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Craig D. and Brenda, I support your views ... whatever happened to Canadian love and kindness? This man has done a great deal for Canadians as well as Canada. Are you now going to run out on him because some American D.A. with obvious OTHER political aspirations goes after Black, a Top Canadian businessman, who has helped so many Canadians have a better life?

Joel Brown
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Tell me why I as a taxpayer should put a foreign criminal's prison costs ahead of any of the other domestic issues facing Canadians? Black gave up his right to Canadian comforts when he chose his title over his citizenship. The politics of the day are irrelevant. He's the one that made the decision and now he can go home to Britain or rot in prison in America.


Anne R
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It was Black's decision to give up his citizenship, so now he needs to live with that decision and there is no way he should be let back into Canada under any circumstance, he gave up that right!


Brenda
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Whether found guilty or not, whether rich or poor, whether a Lord or a commoner, whether 65 or 45, if I had just been through the ordeal of a lengthy trial such has just occurred, I would want to go back to MY HOME and rest. All citizenship issues aside Mr. Black resides in Canada and in the past that has been to the betterment of many.


Alan
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Tim wrote on July 18, 2007 at 1:11:59 PM
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Tim: Get your facts right! In truth, The Canadian government had invoked the Nickel Resolution, a parliamentary resolution passed 80 years ago to put an end to the practice of granting foreign titular honours to Canadians.

It was Black who wanted Chretien to OVERRIDE the existing resolution. Chretien quite correctly then refused to grant Black special favours over and above what applied to every other Canadian in the previous 80 years. Or do you believe that Black deserved special treatment then, and deserves it once again?

Black's appeal for citizenship is silly enough. You don't have to invent some story about Chretien interferring to defend him, do you?

Anthony
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Ken, it looks like you're the one who's being quite partisan. If Black is going to be treated like anyone else trying to go through the immigration system so be it. It's likely he'll either be denied temporary residence/visitation or be allowed in with very stringent visitation conditions like other convicted felons (Anyone who can think of convicted singers who've been allowed to perform in Canada? Ha ha). The system that's in place, although it can be argued that it does have some flaws, is on the most part objective and fair. There are thousands of immigrants who apply for Canadian citizenship every year and the last time I checked, it's still on a good increasing trend. The immigration system evaluates people based on their credentials like work history, education, etc. It would be silly to accept or deny people based on political beliefs or leanings. It's kinda like someone trying to choose friends with a specific political leaning - It's just plain silly.

patricia
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It seems that the PM 'always' makes comments and decisions opposite to what the Canadian public feel. The PM works alone and follows his own agenda, and does not listen to Canadians. NO, Black should not be allowed back into Canada and Black should be stripped of his Order of Canada.


Raymond M. Reilly
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I am just wondering, is it legal for the Canadian government to deny citizenship to a person born in Canada? I can understand that the individual may be required to temporarily renounce Canadian citizinship if there is a conflict in holding British and Canadian simultaneously, but once that individual gives up the British citizenship, how can the Canadian government refuse to restore what is an inherent right of oersons born in Canada. I am not an expert on the law, but this does not seem right.

Dr. M. H. Zaputovich
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Bravo for Vincent's perspicacity. He is right. As well Chretien was being his usual nasty self when he refused Black his English title as Lord Beaverbrook certainly was not faced with the same problem. And as a writer to the Globe said there are sitting MPs who have dual French/Canadian citizenship so why discriminate against Black?

Paul Canniff
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Judging by the majority of comments on this page, the Canadian predilection for touting pettiness and envy as national virtues continues apace.


Gregory Boudreau
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I think Conrad Black gave up his right to be part of this country,(when he renounced his citizenship) or to be let in. I think he ( Conrad Black) should be focusing on his pending bail hearing, and the sentencing part of his conviction.


Ken
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If Black had ties to the Liberal party, Harper would be the first to ban him from entering Canada. Harper has always cared more about partisan politics than fairness.


Vincent Veerasuntharam
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Conrad Black is a Canadian Citizen by birth. Born on August 25th 1944 in Montreal, Quebec. Although he publicly renounced his citizenship his birthright gives him the right to live in Canada with or without a criminal conviction.


Tim
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Chretien was playing politics at the time that Black gave up his Canadian citizenship. So people here are arguing that Black shouldn't be allowed to return to Canada, but the Liberals let Canada's first family of terrorism, the Khadrs, back into Canada with no problems.


Alan
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I'm always amazed when people claim someone as being "innocent" and that they "did nothing wrong" following a fully open trial that lasted months, and lengthy deliberations by a jury. Right. He did nothing wrong - this is a conspiracy. Sure.

Back to the issue at hand. Mr Black spat on Canada when he decided that a British title meant more to him than his Canadian citizenship. A right-thinking, conservative kind of guy like Mr. Black should be the first person to assert that someone in his position should not be granted his his citizenship back. Especially since he only wants it so that we Canadian taxpayers can pay the costs of jailing him here, as opposed to serving "harder time" in a tougher U.S. prison. I say "you made your bed, now lie in it, my Lord."


Mark Vrieling
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Well said, James. Treat him like anyone else would be treated -- no better or worse because he is famous.


James
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What everyone has to understand about what Harper said. He said there would be "no political interference", meaning the government would treat Black as any other person who also had done what Black did. They Have to go through the normal channels to get into Canada, and if those channels accept them or reject them that is up to the system that is in place. Why should our government interfere in this case when they don't with others? Just because it was a big media story doesn't mean Black should be treated harsher than someone of unknown stature who did the same.

Ali
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Mr. Black betrayed his country and gave up his Canadian citizenship for no real good reason. We should not let him come back to this country. If he is "pardoned" or returns to this great country, it sends a very bad message to the rest of the world about us. It shows we have no pride or backbone that will let someone who has betrayed us, to return back to the country.
Moreover, I am sure his desire for returning back is again for his personal gains, not for the love of this country.

Craig D
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You people seem to forget that Lord Black gave up his citizenship because Jean Chretien forced him. Chretien was playing politics and would not let Black receive his title.

As for his conviction, Lord Black was convicted of MAIL FRAUD related to a charge that he was acquitted of. This is hardly a major offense.

In addition, Black will and should be acquitted of that charge as well after his appeal. All of his dealings were approved by the companies involved and were allowed without question by those auditing.


Michael Reed
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As a Canadian living in England, I can understand why Black would want to return to Canada. However, he should've thought long and hard before he traded in his maple leaf for a Tory robe. My BC birth certificate and my Canadian passport are my most precious possessions.


John Fields
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I find it amazing when the NDP are always so adamantly anti-American that they would want to use an American conviction to remove a person from a Canadian title. I could see it as being alright if it were a Canadian conviction, but in this case they are trying to use the Americans for their own political gain.

Debra
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Mr. Black gave up citizenship of our beautiful country of Canada for personal gain and a silly title!! Why in the world would we want him back? He is a very poor example to our young people.


Charlie Flynn
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The strangest thing is so many true crooks in the stock market do so much more damage and the SEC or FBI never gets off their asses to go after them. I guess the old adage the bigger you are the harder you fall holds true. Black does not deserve this fate.


Robert Bateman
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Mr. Black is no longer a CANADIAN as he gave up his citizenship when he became a LORD in England.

He should be refused entry into Canada because of his conviction and if he wants to leave America he can go home to his country which is England.

Everyone should let the government know just what they think of Mr. Harper's comments.


Stephen Lowry
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Black turned his back on Canada for his own prestige and gain.

He is a British citizen. Allow him to return to his country of choice and NOT Canada.


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