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Date: Wed. Feb. 27 2008 11:45 PM ET

Barack Obama has ratcheted up his attacks on NAFTA, but a senior member of his campaign team told a Canadian official not to take his criticisms seriously, CTV News has learned.

Both Obama and Hillary Clinton have been critical of the long-standing North American Free Trade Agreement over the course of the Democratic primaries, saying that the deal has cost U.S. workers' jobs.

Within the last month, a top staff member for Obama's campaign telephoned Michael Wilson, Canada's ambassador to the United States, and warned him that Obama would speak out against NAFTA, according to Canadian sources.

The staff member reassured Wilson that the criticisms would only be campaign rhetoric, and should not be taken at face value.

But Tuesday night in Ohio, where NAFTA is blamed for massive job losses, Obama said he would tell Canada and Mexico "that we will opt out unless we renegotiate the core labour and environmental standards."

Late Wednesday, a spokesperson for the Obama campaign said the staff member's warning to Wilson sounded implausible, but did not deny that contact had been made.

"Senator Obama does not make promises he doesn't intend to keep," the spokesperson said.

Low-level sources also suggested the Clinton campaign may have given a similar warning to Ottawa, but a Clinton spokesperson flatly denied the claim.

During Tuesday's debate, she said that as president she would opt out of NAFTA "unless we renegotiate it."

Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Wednesday that the candidates' criticisms of NAFTA were misguided.

"(They) should recognize that NAFTA benefits the U.S. tremendously," he said. "Those who speak of it as helpful to (just the) Canadian or Mexican economies are missing the point."

Liberal MP and finance critic John McCallum told Canada AM that the U.S. pulling out of NAFTA "would be a disaster for Canada."

But he added, "I hope and I believe that it's politics, because they're in a high-stakes contest. I believe after this nominee is decided, this issue will go away."

John Fortier, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise institute, said that in an effort to gain votes in the anti-NAFTA state of Ohio, each candidate might find themselves "locked-in" to their pledge to renegotiate NAFTA.

"Last night, both candidates really locked themselves in to at least doing some serious renegotiation," Fortier told Canada AM. "But how serious they are and what the changes (will be) . . . that's another question.

"But I don't know how Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton can get out of last night's very clear pledge that they are going to use the opt-out (clause) as a threat to do some serious renegotiation."

Crucial primaries in Ohio and Texas are just one week away.

During Tuesday night's debate, each candidate was quite specific about using the six-month opt-out clause in NAFTA, to pressure Canada and Mexico into renegotiating the deal.

The March 4 primaries are seen as vital for each candidate, but particularly Clinton. It's expected that without a decisive win in both Texas and Ohio, she has no chance of winning the Democratic nomination.

Clinton once had a large lead in each state, but recent polls are showing the candidates as close to even, with Obama surging ahead.

Early polls show that there is a strong possibility of a Democrat in the White House in January 2009.

Obama, in particular, is surging in popularity throughout the U.S. and some polls give the Illinois senator an almost double-digit lead if he were to run head-to-head against the expected Republican candidate, John McCain.

With a report by CTV's Tom Clark in Washington

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Kellie from the USA the BEST nation on EARTH!
said

Canada may have the oil but the US has the refineries. And the US is right to opt out of NAFTA the sooner the better!


Dana
said

Anyone who thinks the Harper Conservatives would renegotiate NAFTA on anything other that terms even more favourable to the US hasn't been paying attention.



Pedro, Vancouver
said

The economic issues within the US have more to do with whats happening with US trade with India and China than what is happening with US trade with Canada and Mexico. The economic upheavals in India and China are affecting all NAFTA countries. However, it is convenient street politics escapism to blame an ally.


James
said

there is nothing wrong with NAFTA and it is border security that is created the plm for America and other thing is amwrica's job is lost due to giving their jobs to oversea for cheaper labour like china or india that is the real problem for america so they do not need to ask canada or mexico to renegotiate to get better deal

MHR
said

Hey everybody,

Calm down, this is promise that they probably will a broken promise. Let American be stupid as they wish to be and we just worry about ourselves. NAFTA can go away but Canada can start new one with Mexico and let Canada and Mexico getting richer. That work.

Amy Dugan
said

What Is Obama Really Going to Do About NAFTA?

Some people blame our weak job market and economic troubles on free trade; however what we really need is smart trade. Hillary Clinton will promote trade that has higher labor and environmental standards. As President, she will ensure that trade lifts up not only American workers, but also workers around the world. She will as President demand a total review of all existing trade agreements and will not sign any new trade agreements until she ensures that trade policies raise our standard of living, and they must have strong protections for workers and the environment. I am the daughter of a former Fisher Body employee and I know the issues of trade and job loss are very important here.

As an Ohioan, I have heard falsely, that Hillary is for NAFTA. Despite false claims regarding Hillary’s position on free trade, she always has and always will put the American worker first. Last summer I read Carl Bernstein’s biography on Hillary Clinton, who by the way is no fan of the Clintons, that Hillary actually opposed NAFTA behind the scenes. Importantly, in Ohio on February 24, Obama actually stated “I don't think it’s realistic for us to repeal NAFTA, that would actually result in more job loss". So I urge you to look at the facts before you cast your vote. To learn more about Hillary Clinton’s plans to help the Middle Class visit www.hillaryclinton.com

Terry S.
said

If the U.S. opts out this would be GREAT for Canada. We can then charge a fair market value for our resources like lumber, electricity, oil and fresh water. We can then look at exporting to countries who will not cry when it comes to paying for our resources


Herb
said

It's amusing how powerful and independent people here seem to think our conservative government is. Even IF the U.S. were to tear up NAFTA, our government would do whatever their corporate masters tell them. Canada would NOT slap a 20% tax on energy, because the oil companies would ORDER Harper et. al. to carry on with business as usual.

Victor
said

Well there you have it. Looks like the Repulicans are our friends, afterall.

McCain for President !!


Vincent V
said

Hey folks, Its election time in the US. Canada needs the US and the US needs Canada period.
These comments were made by 2 candidates who want to be the President of USA. They come they go trade will continue and we both would share this great land and border.
God Bless Canada!
God Bless USA!


Peter
said

Agreed,Renegotiate,we need more interprovincial trade,lets go East,West,not most to the south.Keep our oil, natural gas and hydro,Us first no 60% guarantee to USA,and they pay more than domestic price ,stand up Canada


GLENN
said

DM IN NB and ROBINHOOD
Are absolutely correct. If NAFTA was dissolved then Canada could subsidize Canadian sold gas sales by charging tariffs on oil sold to the states. Canada is either the number 1 0r 2 exporter of oil to the states depends who or what you listen too. And I also believe it is getting closer to 3 million barrels daily now. Under the free trade act we are forced to sell our oil to the States for the same price as to Canada. As for those politicians who go around accussing us of not honouring NAFTA saying we charged them more for certain products like steel or wood don't realize that we didn't charge them more. It was just simple they wanted to pay more for those canadian produced products because of their superior quality. That is why we canadians don't see nice sheets of plywood or there short falls in supplies of wood products at their local lumberyard, because the U.S. buyers for the lumberyards are outbidding the Canadian ones making it look like the U.S. is paying more.


JDS
said

I agree with DM in NB. Opting out would provide Canada the opportunity to place an export tax on all energy, not just oil. That would more than compensate any industry damaged by the US opting out of NAFTA.

Is it really a surprise that the US is reneging on an international treaty? They have historically reneged on every one they've signed..without exception.

NAFTA was a painful experience for Canada but our national character carried the day and turned around an abysmal agreement. Too bad Americans don't have such character. Their's is always the "I'll take my ball and bat and go home".

Fine, go home.


DG
said

The sooner we get rid of NAFTA (North American Forced Trade Agreement), the better.

If the Americans want to negitiate a TRADE deal, fine. We should never again sell out to the US - wishful thinking I know...

As for North Bayite's concern that "destroying NAFTA will further erode American power over the world economy" - again I say, the sooner the better. Who says the US needs power over the world economy???



Richard
said

NAFTA only benifits those nations who's currencies are undervalued in relation to the USD. Now that Canada's dollar is the same the benifits of NAFTA have become lame. We enjoyed the ride but it's time to shut this puppy down and use our fresh water as a leverage to get what we want. Atlanta is all but dried up and look at California...give them 5 more years and they are done and we can import all the water they want at a premium. China will continue to enjoy dumping their ubiquitous goods on America but let's not go there...looks like they are running out of reliable labour in the face of a aging population. Capitalism is indeed a flickering flame.


Linda in BC.
said

Does anyone think Alberta is going to stop selling oil to the USA to prop up jobs in uncompetetive manufacturing industries?
Have we forgotten the infamous "National Energy Policy" of a former Liberal government?A policy designed to have oil producing provinces subsidize oil consuming provinces by selling their oil at extremely low prices.
That is one reason why it's very difficult to be a Liberal in western Canada to this very day.
Once again it looks like some Ontarians are talking pretty big about how they could control "ALBERTA's",or any other producing provinces oil.
And all at a time when central Canada simply refuses to even discuss giving the west a place at the table by stonewalling about even modest Senate reforms.
When all is said,and the politics in the USA is over,I expect cooler heads to prevail.The USA will realize that Canada can be as helpful to them as they can be to us.Even if we want a "fair" slice of the North American pie,and to remain a sovereign country.
We are not your enemy Hillary.And most of us recognize you are not our enemy.Casting us in that light only makes your "allienation of our allies" comment of the Bush administration look like a policy that will continue under your administration.


Western Midlifer
said

Opt out of a free ride. Sounds like this is going to be a very good deal for Canadians. Time to start diversifying our customer Portfolio on resources. I am sure China would be interested on tariff free oil!


Rona from Canmore
said

Opt out? Increase price of oil? Stand up like in 1812? Vote for Harper, he'll do like Mulroney, let the US have the better of NAFTA and let them suck the Great Lakes dry as a bonus.


Giovanni
said

We have nothing to worry about. News flash: Canada has much of the worlds fresh water, oil, gold, diamonds, lumber, minerals. We have everything. The world's population is rapidly increasing. There is a powerful demand for natural resources. We have them. If USA doesn't want access to them, then that would be a big blunder on their part. We can sell them anywhere.


Robinhood
said

Wow, this is one of those long blog strings!

The only way we can ever pay less than the US for our "own" oil is if:
1) we nationalize the oil industry.
2) we get rid of NAFTA.. which effectively puts the control of our oil production and distribution in the hands of the US market (in case you Albertans did'nt know)
3) We put up military defenses against a George Style shock and awe invasion of our oil fields by the US Marines.
4) We convince western provinces to go along ( this point may actually be the most contentious).

Ain't happenin.

I also think that NAFTA is too sweet a deal for the US to really want to reopen.

btw, fyi: I recall some western senator or governer in US who actually effectively stated that the Alberta Tar sands actually belongs to the Americans and Canadians simply don't know it yet.
..no kidding!



Jasper
said

To all Canadians...
Just because many of you do not like Bush, it is not reason to wish for a Democrat in the White House. Bush will be gone at the end of this term. That is certain. Canada-US relations are better than they have been in several years. This latest posturing by the Obama-Hillary show is reason enough for Canadians to be nervous of the "change" that the Democrats are planning.


Dave from Vancouver, B.C
said

I like the idea of free trade with the United States very much but not Mexico. If we have free trade with Mexico, it justs makes it easier to ship our jobs to them while not really benefitting too much from trade since they are not as a big trading partner as the United States


Nick
said

To all those who boast we would cut their Oil, we can't.

We cannot for the following reasons:

A) We would lose out on a lot of money from direct trade to Foreign Direct Investment
B) We would lose access to their market, the single largest in the world
C) China cannot make up the difference in consumption. Additionally, China is very worried about investing in Canada, look at how skeptical and reluctant Chinese firms are in investing in Alberta Oil
D) They would invade us the moment they felt threatened by our aggression of resources


For the revisionists out there like DW:

Canada didn't "stand up" to the US in 1812, the British did. Without the British we would be a part of America since their first attack against the colony.


RM
said

Because of clauses within the NAFTA, Toronto simply was able to broker an agreement to have its trash dumped in Michigan, which is right next door to Ohio, where the Clinton/Obama 'one thing they can agree on' took place.
"NAFTA benefits the U.S. tremendously"????? Yea right, Mr. Flaherty. We haven't shipped all of it yet....
- A Torontonian


31 Delta
said

Canada, the US and Mexico have each benefited from NAFTA one way or the other. Since the emergence of Asian markets, the US and Canada have lost 100's of 1000's of jobs in manufacturing, not because of NAFTA but because of China and it's abundance of cheap labour and resources. Flaherty is right, I don't think either Obama or Clinton get it and they're just playing to the electorate to win. Maybe Canada and the US should go back to the original free trade agreement, exclude our water and sell more of our oil, this way we would both benefit and keep our jobs from moving to Mexico and maybe have a clause in there that we will refuse to do business with China, but that would be crazy. Maybe we should negotiate free trade with China and India, let go of the US and Mexico and allow free trade to flow with the Asian markets. I'm sure our resources would get the asking price there.


wc
said

The issue of economic downturn is not because of country to country trade - it's because of the practice of "offshoring".

Only Obama has specifically said he would remove tax breaks for companies who do this.

Canadian workers arguing about American workers and vice versa are missing the point.




JessD
said

Despite the threat to NAFTA and our jobs I bet the majority of Canadians will still support the Democrats. Knowing this clearly demonstrates how completely stupid most Canadians are.


Melissa
said

What is currently happening in the would is craziness. There are so many more problems that need IMMEDIATE ATTENTION. The North American Free Trade Agreement is the least of our problems. What about the fact that the U.S. has soo much debt that if something isn't done and fast, it is going to cause their economy to collapse!!!! And bet your ass that the consequences derived from their government's negligence will effect CAnada just as much!!!!
I think what frustrates me the most is the fact that both governments, from the U.S. and Canada have been going down a path that is not in the best interest of THE PEOPLE; I mean, those of us who work hard, do our part, pay taxes, vote these idiots in, and do what we can to be productive parts in society. It used to be that we had a say in the direction the country goes....not anymore. Now, they control the media and allow us to see and hear what they want us to know. Those who stood up and tried otherwise, except for a select few, suddenly were off the air. That's just one minut example amoung many!!
It truly is scary to think of the direction that world is going.
PEACE, LOVE, AND HARMONY is the direction weneed to go. Instead we are more GREED, CONTROL, AND MORE GREED AND CONTROL!!



GM
said

Anybody who believes we would benefit from a trade war with the US is delusional.

It is a fools paradise for those who refuse to let the truth get in the way of what they want to believe.


Darren
said

If either of Hilary or Obama get the Presidency it is going to be Jimmy Carter all over again.
Just wait until we get down to the one on one with McCain and the Dems policies really get exposed.
The US have never voted in anyone who ran on raising taxes.


Michael
said

And I said it many times before. I can't believe how ignorant Canadians are in preferring a Democrat as US president. Democrats are protectionists by nature of whom they pander to for votes. Goodbye NAFTA. If they win, we better start speaking Mandarin and shut up when we come across human rights issues or substandard products from China.


Robert De Fehr
said

my my times have changed. When Mulroney negotiated the Free Trade Agreement the Liberals screamed it would ruin Canada!


Adam
said

I knew Obama was nothing but a dog-and-pony show. His naivete about foreign policy and trade is bad news for our American friends (and ourselves). Let's hope they see the light and keep that arrogant Leftist out of the White House.


DW
said

DM in NB
I agree we would have to stand up to them and like you said it has not happened since 1812.
Perhaps it is time we do again.



Ray Jacques
said

Hello all,
I read many of your comments and there is a broad range of opinion.

I would really like to know exactly what the impact of cancelling N.A.F.T.A. would be to Canada ?

I tend to think that we couls not survive without it, but I really do not know if we could find other markets quiclkly enough ?

I was reaaly surprised whrn Harper went along with so lousy a deal on softwood lumber, especially after we had won 6 out of 7 rulings and the court chanllangs over the preious 6 years were coming to an end. Not tto surprisingly, the Americnacs look-out for themselves in spite of N.A.F.T.A sometimss geeting in their way.

The Conservatives and the Liberals should study this forthwith (without the partisanship) and provide us with an accurate report


dave
said

It's funny Clinton is kicking NAFTA, her husband signed into law the most favored nation trading status to China - thereby cementing the manufacturing job losses in US and Canada. Yet another colossal mistake that doesn't stick to Teflon Bill....

I can't see Clinton's logic, the dog peed on the flowers so you kick the cat?

Or does this mean they are too chicken to confront China instead? It seems to me that would get more votes because the Ohio voters read labels too.



Wayne
said

If the US quits NAFTA, then we should slash the oil prices by half or more and sell it to ourselves, and double the price to the US. We will benefit tremendously.


Robert Rudachyk
said

To be honest, I think that killing NAFTA would have a benifit for the Canadian Consumer, seeing as how we have so much energy and natural resources the US needs. under NAFTA, we are obligated to pay world prices for these resources like our own oil, instead of letting our domestic needs be subsidised by our exports. without this constraint, governments would run out of excuses for allowing oil companies to gouge us at the pumps, instead of currying votes by controling the price.


L out west
said

I agree with Gord that we all lose in a trade war and Oil is a weak commodity to focus on as ther is boat loads of the stuff floating around to buy. That is why I suggested electricity. If LA or NYC go brown or black only Quebec and BC have a surplus and there are no boats of electricity coming from the mid east.


jeff
said

To heck with the States. We should be keeping or resources to ourselves....mostly oil and water. Until the States change their world politics, no Country should trade with them. Leave the States to fend for themselves.....then see what the allies of evil do. Maybe they'll smarten up and maybe they'll attack. Go Obama go. Obama may be the best thing to happen in America ever I'm thinking.


Doug
said

Political spin by Obama and Clinton should be taken with a grain of salt.Even if one of them does become President,they need a lot of support in both houses to implement ideas like this.Frankly,I expect a close examination by them would show that both Canada and the USA are losing jobs to low cost countries more than to each other.
That said,there is a lot of protectionist sentiment in the Democratic party.That's just another good reason for Canada to lower debt and work at productivity issues.
On energy,I can't speak for the rest of Canada,but BC is actually an importer of electricity.Raising the price would shooting ourselves in the foot.I also expect Ontarians would have no problem adding tarrifs to oil exported to the USA.It should be noted,however,that the resources belong to the provinces.Does anyone really think the provinces who produce oil are going to shut down their economies to support an auto industry that can't build cars we want to buy?
NAFTA as a whole is a benefit to both countries.But it also has to be remembered that Canadians gain access to a market of 300 million people with money to spend.The USA gets access to a market of only 30 million.
I think Canada and the USA need to focus on "fair trade" with low cost markets,rather than with each other.I expect some in any new administration will know that.


Phil in Ottawa
said

Dear Mr. Brian Mulroney:

Thank you sir for your FTA that eventually became the NAFTA.

Because of your leadership, trade among our respective countries has increased our collective wealth.

You can rest assured that those of us that understand the critical importance of NAFTA will vigoriously defend it against its foes both here in Canada and abroad.

I remain your obedient servant,

Phil




GM
said

Protectionism (from either side) is "good politics" and "bad economics".


Michele
said

Heres a thought; maybe when they say 'renegotiate NAFTA' they actually want to us that term to 'introduce' the SPP to mainstream American people. It would actually sound good to the people if they say it is a renegotiated NAFTA favouring 'all of America'.


Mike Macdonald
said

Clinton and Obama are simply carrying on the age old tradition of politicians everywhere, telling the great unwashed masses what they think they want to hear. Should one of them become President you can be damn sure it will not be the people they listen to, but to the lobbyists and PAC's. Consequently, I really do not have any fear of the NAFTA being renegotiated. Of course, if it was decided to do so, we could always pick up our oil, electricity, wood and water and go home.


Concerned
said

Am I the only one that seriously thinks that any attempt by Canada to strong arm the US on water,oil or any other raw materials of ours that they need will end up with tanks heading north over the Peace Bridge.....
There was comments made in Congress a few years back about their nieghbours to the North (us) being so socialist we were close to being a communist state...
I wonder how long it will be before they decide to "rescue" us all from under the heel of socialism,Alberta first of course !


Mary Rocco
said

Clinton is threatening to "opt out unless we renegotiate the core labour and environmental standards" Super! See you later! The US had the WORST labour and environment standards of the 3 nations involved! Obama and Clinton are saying NAFTA costs american jobs? No, illegal aliens cost Americans their jobs. NAFTA has cost CANADA 1000's of jobs ESPECIALLY in the manufacturing sector. They clearly don't realise that NAFTA benefits the US exponentially more than Canada or Mexico. Doesn't anyone remember the softwood levy fiasco? The US STILL hasn't paid what they owe us even though they were found in the wrong. Wake up Canada! We need to diversify our economic portfolio and stop being so dependant on the US... the sinking ship that it is!


C. Bryce Code
said

The majority of oil exported is not Canada's oil but Alberta's (read the Constitution). NAFTA has protected Alberta from another NEP and from the comments I see here there is a danger of that occurring again. You don't hear Albertans yelling "let's stop building and exporting U.S. cars" do you? Of course not. The threats are always made by those who will not be negatively affected.


Lart from Above
said

I remember when the Liberals under John Turner said they would cancel the Free Trade Agreement. When it became their turn to be in office, Chretien was obliged by economic necessity to become a champion of NAFTA. The same thing will happen when a Democrat becomes president.

There is plenty of room for ongoing improvement of most treaties. If the US wants to add side agreements to ensure that labor or environmental standards are upheld, all three countries will have costs, but the benefits would outweigh the costs for everyone. The US will not grow or gain jobs in the long run if it tries to protect declining low-tech industries. Ideally, NAFTA should become irrelevant as global trade agreements improve.

Canada's historical competitive advantage contributed to the increase in value of the Canadian dollar. This presents an opportunity for American manufacturers and a challenge for Canadian ones. Canadians do have a history of becoming more competitive. If the US tries to put barriers on Canadian exports, that will shift jobs from Canada to Japan and China, not to Michigan and Ohio.


Allan Eizinas
said

In two years, the President of the United States will be a black male - Colin Powell.

Republican John McCain will pick the extremely popular Powell as his running mate. Barack will be the Democratic pick and lose to McCain/Powell.

McCain is a very old 72 and a battered soldier who is suffering the affects of being used for 5 years as a punching bag and a pin cushion by the Viet Cong while a prisoner. He cannot raise his arms above his shoulders and has had cancer surgery. He will not be able to serve out his term so Powell will take over.

NAFTA is safe.


Edward in Vancouver
said

A majority of Canadians that I talk to LOVE OBAMA because he "inspires them." Furthermore most Canadians have been so turned off by Bush that they see no good in the Republican party. However, wishing a Democratic win in the USA is shortsighted. It does not benefit Canada. This is most evident with the desireof both Democratic hopefuls wanting to renegotiate NAFTA. THIS IS BAD FOR CANADA as we sit today. To all those who say "good" we will just stop selling our oil to the USA and sell it to China it is not that simple. I agree that we need to diversify our trade. But until we have done enough of that, we need the US. This has to be a gradual process, otherwise the working people of this country will suffer in the end. And once we have lost jobs and our cost of living goes up, Obama's words will not seem so inspiring anymore. Like it or not, a Republican win is better for Canada.



Roady W
said

I have a “dream”; US is no longer be the biggest trade partner for Canada. It is time for a CHANGE!


Sam
said

We can negotiate as well:

Full protection of fresh water supplies

Export tax on oil to address environment

Strike the provision that forces Canadians and Americans to pay the same price for oil and energy.


Albert Krivickias
said

Over the last 30 years I have seen the Auto Trade Pacts and NAFTA open the US. market for Central Canada's manufacturing . Our trade with the US. and there trade with us has brought both countries a high standard of living, our way of life . If the US. wants to break NAFTA our access to there market will be limited or closed, which translates into plants closings here and hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost. The US. trade barriers will be going back to the 1930's great depression where isolationists protectism made millions of people lose their jobs . The last several years Canadian manufacturing has lost 300,000 jobs, in the US. has lost about 3 million jobs. The US. has incorrectly targeted NAFTA as the cause of their job losses, they should be targeting their anger at China's low wages (and low currency value) and America's two hundred billion dollar yearly deficit with them. Curtail buying Chinese made goods at Walmart, fix the Chinese trade imbalance, start buying North American products to keep our jobs. I challenge the governments should hold a national trade conference with all parties to all manufactures, industries , labour , and economists and sit with governments to resolve the job loss disaster.


beth
said

It's been a one way street along along.
I know it won't hurt anybody's feeling in my town - they just shut down our mill because a U.S. lumber company just flooded the market with cheap lumber, and we can't compete.
At least this way our water will be safe. The U.S. thinks it can come up here and take what they want, and don't want.


Outraged
said

Why wait until our cousins to the south decide to open up NAFTA again to see how much more they can benefit from our raw materials....
Call the European Union, the Chinese and the Indians to the table NOW and explain that our softwood and oil is up for sale to the highest bidder. this will serve notice on our "Buddies" to the south that we mean business....put great lakes water on the table as well!
Of course,this is just a daydream.......we will prolly answer to the American's with cap in hand agreeing to sell more oil and raw materials to them for some ridiculous price just to stay in their good books, regardless of the hardships it will cause in this country.



Mary Carr.
said

Retail shopping in the U.S. (Florida)in January was an education.
There were very few items we looked at that were not "made in China", "made in India", "made in Mexico". We didn't see any "made in Canada" and had to search hard to find any "made in U.S." Wondering whether Obama or Clinton visit their retailers and check labels. Maybe NAFTA should have a hard look at the agreement.


Gary
said

I gotta tell ya DM in NB..you got it right big time..I'm a Canadian living in the U.S. and not only the oil but the hydro electrictiy which is a big supplier of the Eastern Seaboard as well as many of the Northern States. I am personally as a Canadian getting sick of seeing our country being taken for granted by selfish, self-serving, egotistical Americanism..When the heck is Canada gonna start using the more then considerable leverage it has to demand respect and open up the eyes of the Americans..Also don't forget that most of the plutonium and uranium that the Yanks get for their nuclear programs comes from Canada..Let's start getting a backbone Canada and put the Yanks in their place.

Gary,
NJ


Mark
said

This is dangerous and misguided polital posturing. Previous comments have hit on the real causes of American job loses. The growing protectionist attitude in the US is of great concern for Cdns and Americans alike (especially now that it's coming from the Democrats now too). If you look at the opinions of others like Alan Greenspan and Bill Clinton such protectionism places the future of the US ecewonomy in serious risk too. Globalization has placed downward pressure on Cdn & US wages and moved the jobs to other sectors (i.e. high tech). I'm sure there are more jobs in the US now then when the agreement was signed.


Gary
said

I would suggest to the Americans that it is in ' their' best interests to remain in NAFTA. The true reason the US is losing manufacturing/union jobs is to US based companies outsourcing those jobs to China and because the Asian markets are being very aggressive in a competitive way, particularly in pricing, due to thier low wages and minimal environmental practices. Add the devaulation of the dollar and the general econmoic problems in the US, businesses are retrenching...little investment and thus cutting jobs to stay on course. To leverage their plight towards Canadians and Mexicans is pure folly. It is purley protectionism at its best and not regional cooperation that is what is badly needed. I hope this is just political jousting. Substantatively Ohio and Michigan and other states that have been negatively impacted on the job front should be cooperating on NAFTA not fighting it.


Pam
said

I forgot to mention LUMBER. That would be disastrous for them to be without wood. We need it for our growing communities.


Alex Sz
said

Sadly, I just lost all respect for both of them.


Pam
said

Has anyone thought about the water and hydro that Canada supplies to the U.S. Quebec sells a large quantity of hydro to New York. Water problems with the Red River and Winnipeg were in the news not too long ago. They will run out of potable water long before Canada. Let them go. We will survive. We have done it before and will do it again. Maybe our governments will then realize they need to put our tax money into our commerce and industrial markets. We used to make our own cars, Studebaker. We had all their factories for various commodities. So let us do it again with our money.


Plabo
said

I hope many americans are reading this thread.


Lorne
said

I doubt either of these politicians would repeal free trade, as this is just stroking their constituencies(unions likely back Democtrats). Chretien made the same threats back in '93. Free Trade is good for nearly everyone, as lower tariffs get carried on to consumers via lower prices. Also, the economy shifts from low skill labour (which goes to labour-abundant countries like Mexico or China) to high skill labour (which Canada/US have in abundance). Instead of focussing on saving manufacturing jobs, our governments should focus on training the displaced workers to move into the high-skill markets.


Joe Szentirmay
said

Don't worry about NAFTA. President McCain won't touch it.


Greg from Kitchener
said

Democrats (liberals) in the white house would be bad for Canada, Nicole, Historically Republicans like NAFTA while Democrats do not.
Then again, We would not be hurt that much if they opted to withdraw from it.
Keeping our oun Oil woulf be great, but it still amazes me that the one and olny Canadian owned Gas company (Petro Canada) is usually the highest priced.


freedom lover
said

NAFTA is re-negotiable, course, if that's in US interest.

Imagine if Canada wanted out. No new deal would be allowed.

And many Canadians would, of course, submit to US dictates.


Herb
said

We were sold short on NAFTA by Mulroney et al. The Americans have always wanted Canada's water and it wouldn't surprise me to see the current PM give in to that demand in a revised NAFTA. Once a doormat always a doormat.


Michael Demchuk
said

To DM in NB and everyone else who has this senseless view of oil. If you had a company that made, for example, chairs. Would you like it is someone said you shouldn't sell any of your chairs to your customers, or dictated which customers can by your chairs? How would you like it if someone else, who had no stake in your company, said you couldn't sell your chairs to anyone in the US even if that bankrupted your company and put all of your employees out of work. I think most manufacturers would feel incensed about a policy like that. It is the same for an oil and gas company. They pay the government royalties to explore, develop and produce that natural resource. Oil and gas companies employ, literally, thousands of people. Why should they not be able to sell their oil to their customer? By the way, if you have any money invested in pension or mutual funds, you probably have money invested in an oil and gas company. You should hope these companies make a lot of money for your investment.


Brian
said

Let the Americans 'opt out' if they so choose. More for us Canadians at what should be a better price!!

And worrying about the US military is all for not. As we are a part of the British Commonwealth we are more than protected.




John
said

We are losing U.S. market, and not willing to crack the world's biggest market-China, we are going to have a long term recession.


J Colton
said

Time for us to stop their oil and electricity and joint the European Union. At least there we will be treated fairly. I know they would have us.


MS
said

Getting tough with the US on issues such as our resources and our livestock trade is long over due. We ship our bitumin to the US, then build a pipeline from there to ship refined product back to Canada.

Makes no sense at all !



To Rudman
said

This story may offer some insight into how John McCallum campaigns during an election: once the election is over, issues "will go away."

Sad.


Irving Schwartz
said

GW, the only reason Harper can't be bought is that he's already been paid for.


VancouverDave
said

Re-negotiate NAFTA? Not on their terms.

DE-negotiate NAFTA? Not a bad idea.


Danjal, Hamilton
said

Now we know exactly where the US stands on us (pun intended). NAFTA was a mistake from the beginning, as the US controlled the border flow and still do. Consider the softwood lumber dispute where the US continues to do hat they please instead of following the agreed upon rules.
Canada will suffer, big time, and we dont even foresee the consequences of their political ploy.
What can we do? Stop purchasing goods that you want and only purchase what you need.


IAN
said

It seems funny reading the postings here that suggest everyone is supporting Canada's free trade deal after so much venom was directed at Mr. Mulroney for negotiating it in the first place. Canadians should fear the U.S. democrats desire for protectionism and perhaps root for Mr. McCain to win the Presidential election.


Charlie
said

Economics 101 - Free Trade is defined as the free movement of goods and services, the free movement of capital and the free movement of labour. We have never had a Free Trade Agreement and labour has been unfairly penalized in all three countries while large corporations and financial institutions have benefited. It is time to level the playing field!


Kevin P.
said

Opt out if they want!

China is begging for Canada's commodities. Oil, lumber, steel, uranium, grain...The U.S. is our neighbor and usually our friend. The democrats are playing Politics with both our economies.

With European, Asian, South American free trade zones, killing NAFTA would decimate an already weak American economy.

Here's hoping the Dem's don't win...Too bad, I really enjoyed Obama's political freshness too!


Exiled Canadian
said

Another example as to why neither would be good for Canada (or the US for that matter).

And to those who think McCain has no chance, just wait and see.

Most Americans are not really looking at the substance of the issues until the actual campaign for the presidency begins. When Obama's record as the most liberal senator in the US is exposed, he will get beaten. He's also not one to reach across the aisly on big issues. McCain is and that will also be clearly shown.

Fact is, Obama is all talk and the media-driven euphoria of his eloquent "dreams" will wane with time, especially come October when folks want to get specifics about what these people will do once in office.

Everyone will then realize that there is absolutely no way he is ready to be the most powerful leader in the world.


Lorne
said

I don't believe that NAFTA has really done this country that much good.
There has been continuous disagreement between Canada and the USA. The USA lobbyists have always complained about subsidies, etc., and appear to want things their own way.
I favour elimination of NAFTA.
Then we can take a firm stand regarding exports of oil, lumber, etc.,in order that Canadian workers can reap some of the benefits.
It would appear that the major job loss in the USA, is due to outsourcing to China, etc., and not Canada.


Ernie
said

I am not opposed to NAFTA but if it ends I expect to see a lower cost of oil in Canada. Without free trade we will have to use Canada's Natural Resources for Canadians. We may have to transfer troops from Afganistan to Alberta though.


javid radfar
said

Obama and Hillary are crazy! These two proved that there is no sensibility in US Democrat party, and if either of them is elected, we'll see more chaos in the global relationship, just like during Kennedy and Carter.


Dick Varley
said

Most Americans do not realize the extent of the natural resources from Canada which support their economy. Many have only a fuzzy concept as to where and what Canada is. Without NAFTA the cost of living in the USA would rise dramatically and the American quality of life would further deteriorate.


GW
said

This is all about Ohio politics. Once they look at it closer they’ll realize it’s more good than bad for them. Do they think Canada is just going to roll over? I’m glad we have Harper at the helm. He'll know what's best for Canada and can't be bought.


Michele
said

I say good, opt out. We can add a tax to all the energy sent to them. N.S. natural gas. Alberta oil.
Newfoundland power. Just to name a few. Energy for Canada first!


James
said

Good. A treaty like NAFTA needs to be renegotiated every so often. The original treaties were formulated under different economic circumstances. It's only prudent for all three countries to renegotiate.

And should the US. decide they can't live with NAFTA or come to negotated resolution of their issues, then negating NAFTA is the only thing to do.
Canada has tried to live upto NAFTA, the same cannot be said of the Federal Trade Commission in the US.


CTV Viewer
said

First the Americans break millitary ties with us by leaveing NORAD, now they are going to break off economic ties with us by leaveing Free Trade.
Its going to be 1812 X a million.


Sean
said

Losing the States this way would certenly start a ripple in the watter. If we take a step back and look at the global market, in time im sure their is even more money to be made. If we were to tax the oil we send over the border, & Start Selling To India & China In A Fair & Prosperous Way (for ourselves in a spred out invested way) Im sure in time things would ballence out & the Americans would figure out that leaving this large partnership was a mistake.


Cliff
said

Remember when we were all complaining that NAFTA would be terrible for Canada? What's today's verdict?


PBW
said

SO the Dems want to renegotiate NAFTA. OK, we can handle that with shifting all our oil exports to China or India, both of whom would also like to get hands on our softwood as well. No doubt our beef sales could also go to China. Manitoba could sell its spare Hydro to Ontario and Saskatchewan instead of the northern Plains states.

If only, they say. But the only "if only" that matters is the fact that the US Congress stood by and let American industry export itself to China and the Indian sub-continent. It is not Just Sam Walton who deserves the blame: it is every American who Wants It All and Wants It All NOW and will get It All by paying the lowest possible price to the detriment of their own economy.

Some of those same blame items also apply to the Canadian - or should I say Ontarian - manufacturing sector, where lack of foresight by organized labor and manufacturing companies has resulted in their products being unattractive compared to cheap imports.

However, Clinton and Obama both have votes to gain, and until they have those votes, like every politician, will say what it takes to get those votes, and then promptly forget those inconvenient promises.


George Van Dyk
said

For all the Canadians who think that the Democrats are the party to best befriend our country better re-think this again. Becarefull what you wish for etc. If the democrats form the next govt. it could be a sad day for Canada and it's economy. The Republicans have made mistakes in the past, we have had our disagreements what friend's haven't. They have been good neighbours, trading partners, helped us militarily, we feel safe
with them next to us, I would prefer them to most other countries. We have had a peacefull co-existance for many years along the world's longest unprotected border, let's not wish and hope to upset this apple cart. We need to keep N.F.T.A. in place.


chaoshunter
said

DM in NB I like the way you think. If they push, we push one back. I'm in favour of Obama, but if he pulls a stunt like this well I think we should pull the oil and stop supplying the insulin to the diabetic.


Gord
said

Hard to believe anyone could think we would benefit from a trade war with the US. Even harder to imagine people think we would be able to deal them a serious blow. Our entire economy is based on our exports to the US. The reality is simple they could at there will destroy our entire economy with the stroke of a pen. Just about everything we export ends up in the US. Oil is a comodity the world markets set that price. If they closed that border our entire economy would simply collapse in front of our eyes, thats not myth thats fact.


MrBill
said

NAFTA has been good for Canada.

Despite its protection the US has punitively punished softwood lumber, hogs, and soft winter wheat exports; closed the border over BSE concerns; and broken the spirit of the international treaty governing fresh water leaving the Great Lakes Basin as well as sending unwanted contaminated water north into Manitoba from the Red River.

A protectionist Congress without NAFTA would be even harder to live next too.

However, where is the diversification in our trade relations? Do we really expect the PRC to give us a better deal if they know we have no alternatives?

Be realistic! NAFTA matters. We should negotiate as hard as we have to, including, as someone suggested, using export tariffs and taxes on non-renewables resources that the US needs for their own energy security.

Play hardball 'hard' for a change Canada. There is too much at stake to play the clueless Boy Scout just to make nice!


dmcewen
said

It is time that we put our own country first. After the recent carbon tax placed on the BC residents, the 12.9 increase in power to come, the lack of affordable housing, the cut backs in our health care, perhaps it is time the Canadian and Provincial Governments opened the "front door" and looked inside...and stand strong!!! when was the last time that the US really helped anyone - in their eyes they are #1 - CANADA - charity starts at home!! Clean up your own back yard first!!!!


sasha
said

I say let them opt out, nafta was skewed heavily in their favour anyways..

Canada need to standup to the Bully anyways, and when has the US really followed the guideline to nafta, one just has to look to softwood for that. which canada finally caved in to their demands even though canada was in right not too.. . there are other markets out there and bigger faster growing markets.. we should be going after those..




Laurie
said

I think this is just American politic smoke But I also think we should once and for all let those americans know that treats do not break our bones and they really do need us more than they let on


LDL
said

Time to turn the TV to another channel other than the Clinton-Obama show on CNN. The Wolf just took off the Sheep clothing. Leaves little doubt now, Americans aren't interested in sharing the life boat even though we can help row.


Anonymous
said

Careful, DM, look what happened to the last country that threatened the US oil supply...

Seriously though, if they're demanding concessions on some issues, it might be an opportunity to clarify in the treaty that our water is not for sale. Quid pro quo, right?


Rob Z
said

Now just at a curiosity, if either Clinton or Obama are serious about pulling out of NAFTA, what would that do to the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), which was built on NAFTA? Mind ya, I'm definitely in favour of ending NAFTA and the SPP because of the negative impacts on manufacturing jobs in Canada and the United States, as well as the fact that NAFTA and the SPP were agreed on without the approval of the corresponding legislatures, let alone the voters.


Downey
said

Canadians are so naive to think we would be better off with a Democrat as President. As someone said, "This is not good news for us since it is very unlikely that McCain would beat either one of them." This shows the ignorance and naivety of Canadians very easily influenced by the media. McCain has a very good chance of winning and we in Canada would be much better off. Not only in Canada, but the world.


Craig W
said

I'm not sure what the U.S. is bitching about. The don't honour any agreement when it doesn't work in their favour, including NAFTA. Softwould lumber leaps to mind, right off the bat. NAFTA was pooly negotiated anyhow. Renegotiation to give teeth to NAFTA rulings might be the best thing.


L out west
said

The last thing this economy needs is a trade war but if Americans think we need them more than they need us we can slap a 20% export tax on electricity and that should wake them up. Nafta has been great but has it's weak points. If they wanna push back we have some issues also. NAFTA is a red herring for the US campaign. Asia is where the true American trade deficit lies but we are easier to pick on. This is low politics. Bush was no prize but Obama is the Jimmy Carter of the future. Dreams do not replace economics.


Andrea
said

Bullying Canada again... Do American politicians know any other way?

They have the nerve to talk about job losses, when the US government has collapsed the entire BC coastal forest industry, shutting many of our mills, leaving thousands of workers without unemployment at their hands.



North Bayite
said

At a time when China,India & the European Union are threatening US economic dominance you'd think the Americans would be championing NAFTA.

Destroying NAFTA will further erode American power over the world economy.


Derek
said

This is primary speak. Lets see what they have to say when actually running for President.


Robinhood (formerly JF)
said

I guess there is no honesty in politics. When NAFTA was put into effect back in the mid 1990s, jobs - including manufacturing - grew in the US. It was when China came in with their pegged yuan and predatory exporting methods in the late 90s/early 00s that the US began to lose jobs. They should be blaming themselves for allowing their own corporations like Walmart export supplier jobs to China and India and not enforcing fairer trade practices. They know this and are obviously using NAFTA as a scape goat!

btw, seems I'm in the minority on social issues, hence the name change (hint hint where I stand, eh!?)


Nicole
said

Does this mean we'll be able to charge them more for all of our commodites, and most notably our oil? This is pure politics. Why would the U.S. have signed on in the first place if it wasn't in their best interest? Just goes to prove the inexperience of Obama and the desperation of Clinton. To all those Canadians hoping for a Democratic president be careful what you wish for, it just may come true.


P.A.
said

America would not be negotiating to make it a better deal for Canada. This is not good news for us since it is very unlikely that McCain would beat either one of them.


DM in NB
said

Fine...so opt-out. And if we had any spine in us at all we would immediately say "You can kiss your oil goodbye, you're on your own."

We export more than 2 million barrels of oil to the US daily. This is un-tarriffed. If NAFTA dissolves, we can either take our oil to China, where they would be happy to take it, or we could sell it locally subsidized first, to greatly reduce energy costs within our own borders. The US would not be in good shape economically if we did that.

Mind you, it would never happen. We would have to stand up to the US to do that...and that hasn't happened since 1812, as I recall.


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