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Defence Minister Peter MacKay listens at a news conference in Ottawa on Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2007. (Tom Hanson / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Defense Secretary Robert Gates testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Dec. 11, 2007. (AP / Jose Luis Magana)

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Date: Wed. Jan. 16 2008 10:32 PM ET

Defence Minister Peter MacKay is downplaying a report saying his U.S. counterpart doesn't believe NATO troops are effectively fighting the Taliban in southern Afghanistan.

An L.A. Times article quotes U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates expressing doubts about NATO countries that have sent large numbers of combat troops to fight in the south.

"I'm worried we have some military forces that don't know how to do counterinsurgency operations,'' the article quoted Gates as saying. "Most of the European forces, NATO forces, are not trained in counterinsurgency."

The report sparked an angry reaction from some British, Dutch and Canadian politicians. The three countries are spearheading the fight in the southern regions.

But MacKay on Wednesday pleaded for cooler heads to prevail, and insisted that in two recent conversations with Gates, the U.S. defence secretary "lauded Canadian forces" and their efforts in the region.

"He was laudatory in his comments on how Canadian soldiers, men and women in uniform, have performed in this mission," MacKay told reporters at a news conference in Ottawa on Wednesday afternoon.

"He called me just moments before I came in this room again to say, firstly, 'Everything I told you yesterday is true.'"

Scott Taylor, editor of Esprit de Corps magazine, told CTV's Canada AM that Gates needs to go further.

"I think it deserves more than just a phone call between him and Peter MacKay. If you've made a public condemnation of NATO troops, then Mr. Gates needs to come out and make a public apology to the Canadian forces and to other allies of NATO," Taylor said Thursday.

He suggested the U.S. is in no position to be criticizing Canada's commitment to Afghanistan, considering the Canadian Forces have stepped in to take a leading role in the mission when the U.S. shifted its focus to Iraq, leaving few resources in Afghanistan.

"The Americans have let this thing sit and stew and have left a very minimal amount of troops on the ground in Kandahar from 2002 to 2005. the Taliban regrouped and then they handed this thing off to NATO knowing that it was a mess," Taylor said.

"Now they're saying it's our fault for letting this thing degenerate and we don't know what we're doing. As opposed to what? The Americans in Iraq?"

Gates said the quotes attributed to him were taken "out of context," according to MacKay, and "they were comments made of a general nature about the need to focus training of NATO and the alliance on counterinsurgency."

However, Gates' own spokesperson Geoff Morrell said he was actually criticizing all of NATO, including his own country.

"I think the Secretary's criticism with respect to the Alliance's failings when it comes to training for counterinsurgency apply to all members of the Alliance," he said.

When asked if that included Canada, he went on to say: "Including the United States and including Canada. We all have work to do in terms of training our forces to deal with counterinsurgency."

L.A. Times journalist Peter Spiegel stuck to the story he broke, telling Mike Duffy Live that Gates was very clear in his criticisms and doubts about the training received by U.S. allies in the region.

"The question as I presented it to him is I had actually been hearing a lot of buzz in the Pentagon from military leaders that they had been concerned about the south, and again, what they call a lack of capability of the NATO forces in the south in counterinsurgency," said Spiegel in Los Angeles.

"I asked him if he agreed with that, and he said he agreed. He went on to talk at great length about how his concern was NATO forces were not trained in counterinsurgency."

Spiegel said Gates never explicitly said American forces would do a better job in the region, but that he "certainly" compared and contrasted the relatively quiet eastern Afghanistan -- where the U.S. forces are in control -- and the turbulent south.

"The implication was the U.S. has now got it right," said Spiegel, ". . . and is ahead of the Europeans in the south and Canadians in the south in effectively fighting a counterinsurgency."

"Granted, I've talked to a lot of people both at NATO and some military analysts who said it took a long time for the U.S. to get it right," he added.

NATO allies, meanwhile, have reacted with surprise and disbelief to Gates' comments in the report.

AP reports the Dutch Defence Ministry summoned the U.S. ambassador for an explanation.

In Ottawa, Liberal defence critic Denis Coderre demanded the Tory government either call in the U.S. ambassador to Canada or seek a clarification from Gates.

Coderre said at the very least, the comments smack of insensitivity in light of the death of a Canadian soldier north of Kandahar on Wednesday.

Gates' reported comments came to light the day after Washington authorized the deployment of 3,200 U.S. marines to Afghanistan in April after failing to convince European countries to provide reinforcements. Most of the U.S. troops will be deployed to the south to strengthen NATO forces there ahead of an expected increase of Taliban and insurgent activity with the spring thaw.

The U.S. has 14,000 troops with the 42,000-strong NATO-led force, the rest are training Afghan forces and hunting al Qaeda terrorists.

Canada currently has about 2,500 troops serving in the Afghan mission, most of them stationed in the southern province of Kandahar.

With a report from The Associated Press

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Tim Mallory
said

Politicians are who they are. Let's not belittle the soldiers of Canada or any NATO country...including the US ... by allowing them to be trapped into their opportunistic forays.


sarah
said

Canadian troops should leave the SOUTH OF AFGHANISTAN, it's the most dangerous province of Afghanistan.


mcgregor
said

I think this comment was aimed at the American people, not us. This gives them a justification to increase their presence there, and if it fails, well it's not there fault. I worry about our troops with more American soldiers there. We have too many friendly fire incidents.


northguy406@yahoo.ca
said

To a certain degree, Gates has a point. Organized armies generally are not competent to fight "insurgencies" especially those fought on "home turf". The problem is that the "insurgents" are fighting on home turf for control of their homes while the big armies from the West are not. Vietnam, Iraq and of course the 20th Century Russian and 19th Century British experiences in Afghanistan proved that. Having said that, the Americans could not do any better than the Canadians or British.


Deb
said

I'm uncomfortable that the Canadian Defense Minister has to go on television to explain what his US counterpart meant based on conversations the two of them held, privately. It looks like MacKay is Gates' apologist. NATO countries are angry, why is the Canadian government okay with this. More and more I have little or no confidence in the Harper cabinet, but it does help me understand why he lets them speak so seldom.


David Dunlop
said

If what Mr. Gates said wasn't taken out of context he is a fool. The only people to gain from a statement like that is the enemy and if he shows that much disrespect for his allies he deserves to loose his job. Dubya needs to make that decision and make it fast.


Ron A
said

Why the knee jerk, typical "anti-America, pro Canada" reaction here? Has anyone stopped to consider he may have a point? The NATO alliance has not been engaged in this type of operation before, and while no one doubts the inherent abilities of our troops, perhaps there are some things we could be doing differently. Instead of being so defensive let's actually think critically about our tactics over there, and how we could make them more effective. General Petraeus has clearly demonstrated in Iraq that the US can be quite effective in counterinsurgency operations. Perhaps we can learn from their recent successes?


Allan Eizinas
said

The American Defence Secretary Robert Gates has just been quoted as saying, “I'm worried we have some military forces that don't know how to do counterinsurgency operations. Most of the European forces, NATO forces, are not trained in counterinsurgency.”

The NATO nations are now looking for a piece of his hide.

According to Robert Gates, we Canadians are just not very good at this war.

Pity.

We are being “played” by American military interests, Afghanistan tribal interests and the international narcotics industry. If Canada had not been in a shaky government transition phase then we would not be where we are and doing what we are doing.

Anyone who understands this war agrees that there is no military solution and that the political solution will require tribal participation (especially the Pashtuns) and certainly a strong Taliban influence.

NATO cannot win this war. Those who we have designated as the “enemy” are winning by not losing. Not only are they not losing but they are not losing very well. All indictors point to a more coordinated Taliban military strategy which, just in the last few days, has managed to maim and kill more Canadian troops, slaughter and dismantle another Afghanistan military outpost and attack and successfully kill foreign representatives in a major hotel in the middle of the heart of Kabul.

All this without any sophisticated military hardware.

They have what none of the NATO countries could ever implement – individuals intent on dying in the process of killing those who consider their enemy. There has never been an effective defense devised or launched against suicide bombers.

Unfortunately, the Americans were also in Vietnam because it was the right thing to do and to protect the rights and freedoms that we all value.

We all know the results of that war.


Martin Warren
said

Just who are MacKay & Harper defending anyway?

See 'ya at the polls!


Joe
said

Leave your comments at lawhawk.blogspot.com (scroll down to Whither NATO)
Americans posting on saving the world while everyone else watches the parade.


M. Cameron
said

It comes as no surprise to me that the Tories would downplay what the US Defence Secretary said rather than standing up for our military. The Tories seem incapable of criticizing those who they feel the need to cozy up to.


Mark
said

It is disapointing that Mr. Gates has made these comments even if they are taken out of context. Why is he making these coments to the media. Trying to shift the blame on someone else in a public way that's why. He forgot that we follow their current affairs more than they (Americans) follow ours. I was a supporter of this operation, but now think that Canada should change its role not under a Nato Mandate but offer to help the Afgan government with rebuilding and training. Bush and the allies were thrown into this whole Mess back on Sep 11 2001, so it's hard to pretend we know all the answers. All I know is somewhere along the way the stiuation has gotten out of control. It's time to step back and take an new aproach.



said

I am sure Gates is refering to other allies, as he does not mention any names, the 30 some odd countries that do not even dare to fire any weapons..... come on fellow Candians, I know most of us are ready to attack the US, for anything, just relax, if he applauded Canada personally to Mackay, then I believe it.. relax everyone!




Paul
said

There you have it folks. That's what the US thinks of its allies in Afghanistan.

Is anyone really surprised to hear this? I mean, really? The US gov't still hasn't apologized for sending an innocent Canadian man to Syria to be tortured for a year. I wouldn't hold your breath for any kind of meaningful apology or retraction here either.

The time to seriously rethink why Canada has to be involved in all of this is long, long overdo...


Ray Deeply Disgusted by the USA
said

I think Defence secretary Gates should Publicaly apologize to all the Nato countries and then step down from his position. Also Stephen Harper if he has any guts as Prime Minister should demand an apology and if he does not receive one we should pull our troops out immediately and let the "Leader of The Free World" fight this war on his own and maybe they can screw up Afganastan as bad as Veitnam and Iraq!


James Alexander - Vancouver
said

After a quick scan, Not ONE of the major American news sites are even bothering to report this story! Enough said. Their arrogance and ignorance are without bounds. If they do not care or respect their 'allies' why should we bother with them? An IMMEDIATE clarification/retraction/apology is necessary. Anything short of that requires some SERIOUS consequences.


rosie
said

I guess when you have to keep sending more troops like the US and other supposed allies are slow to respond or don't help,then it would be frustrating from an american standpoint.There is no other country that carries the load on a global scale like the americans.Just look at the numbers in this news piece.I do believe his comments have been skewed for political gain coming from the LA times and during an election year.


Ed
said

Truthfully though, nobody 'knows' how to fight a counter-insurgency. There are good ideas and lessons learned but very few hard and fast rules. When 1RCR took over from 1PPCLI we though it was pure COIN, instead it was a conventional battle....now it is pure COIN again....

In any event, the fact that the only one COIN has been defeated since WW2 should say something


Joe
said

I think Gates is trying to shift blame from the U.S. Government onto coalition forces so the American people won't be so angered about the slight increase in U.S. forces deployed to Afghanistan. A lot of Americans are upset over Iraq, and almost nothing is heard about Afghanistan down there.

As a member who will be deployed very soon, I too was angered while reading this article, and read the original article posted on the LA Times website. I recently spoke to some retired Marines during the holiday season, and they do appreciate what Canada is doing in the heartland of the Taliban, the Pashtun tribal areas. I'd take what Gates said with a grain of salt, he's trying to justify Bush's decision to the American people, and I'm sure that's hard to do.


Jason Toronto
said

Further to my comment previously. Do you think the American governement would have let our Forces jump the q for fast aquisition of of our C-17s M777 howitzers and MRAP vehicles if soldiers were not doing a outstanding job. All these came right off the US millitary's own production numbers. Think about it!!


Jason Thickett
said

First and foremost dont believe most things a newspaper tells you they are there for one thing to sell newspapers. We all know what our troops can and do do on a regular basis.Remember it is our troops who hold the record for long range sniper fire when Americans where underfire back in the eary 2000s.And it was American politicians who wanted to give medals to our troopers for it.I agree with Steve 110% ask the US soldiers in Afghanistan who they want by their side I will bet your toonie for your Tims coffee it's a Canadian trooper!


James Barth
said

When Mr Gates is talking about some countries soldiers from Canada, Britain and the Netherlands not knowing how to fight a guerrilla insurgency. Let’s remember a few things about US war fighting. The Americans in Vietnam failed to win in a guerrilla style war. The cost 56,000 service members. The US operation in Iraq, a guerrilla operation (war) the cost 3923 as of today. Afghanistan 480 US causalities as of today. Americans that have a very narrow perception of history are very quick to point out US success on the battlefield but I would suggest that MR. Gates read up a little on US military history before commenting on his countries abilities to fight a guerrilla war never mind regular warfare. World War One the US military entered the war in 1917 three years after most countries entered the war. Most Americans are under the misguided believe that they alone won this war. World War Two, Another war in which American try to lead people to believe they alone won this war. False the Allied troops of the world won this war with the Americans. Korea, again a war that is an allied (coalition) fought war. FYI this war is still officially still going as it is still classified as a ceasefire. Not Won by the Americans. Where am I going with this?
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be won by troops that are being lead by misguided leadership. Hey Mr. Gates! America is not out there alone. We are here also. Remember us; the little countries that time after time send are sons and daughters out into the battlefield to defend the weak. Protect the ones that cannot defend there homes. The countries that do this not for political gain, but because it is the right thing to do. Mr. Gates please, get off that high horse you are on and come join the rest of the world. The world of reality.

Signed Just a regular Canadian



AF
said

*begin sarcasm*

Gates is right. I mean how dare the US allies (Canada included) offer to clean up an absolute mess (and have troops die in doing so) that was created by the USA to begin with. Simply outrageous.

*end sarcasm*


Eleanor
said

what a complete insult to Canadian troops!!
our valiant soldiers are over there fighting and sacrificing their lives
Maybe Gates should go back to being a professor b/c he defintely is not informed when it comes to defence!!
We should take our troops off combat and put them in another role
and Mr Harper definitely needs to address this insult.
many thanks to our troops for all they are doing. Perhaps Mr Gates needs to address the NATO troops who will not step up to the challenge and are acting like cowards!!


Jim in the West
said

Let's take a quick step back folks and listen for the "pop"...

While its true that Gates stuck both feet in his mouth to the hips, that doesn't justify the uninformed - like Michele - suggesting that we withdraw because this is a "US war". She is confusing the war on terror, which is one the world needs to make, with the ego-driven war in Iraq, which is a US-only stupidity.

I'd expect that Gates will apologize for his poor commentary, and this will be a temporary moment of lunacy for all involved.


G from East
said

His comments were taken way out of context. He knows the CF, the Dutch and British are all very capable, but lets face it:
Canada and the Netherlands have not been involved in COIN ops like this before.

As for the comment about letting the US deal with their own problem in Afghanistan... two dozen Canadians died on 9/11 too.

The comment about this happening because of 'imperial aspriations'...mmhmm.. someone needs to remove their tin-foil hat and see what the world is really like over there.



David
said

I dont beleive for one minuite that our forces are not up to the task, I think this was taken out of context and that is not what he meant. Why does the press completly screw up everything there is and get away with it. I'm proud of the way our forces are trained and perform and wish more Canadians get behind them instead of calling for there return to Canada.

Gaunilon
said

Has anyone bothered to wonder his comments were true, instead of just reacting like children? Rather than getting all hot and bothered, let's just make sure our troops are trained for counter-insurgency. If they already are, then great. If they're not, let's fix it. It is not an infallible truth that Canadian soldiers are perfectly trained for every mission.


larry
said

I'm saving any U.S. or Gates bashing until we see how he clarifies his earlier comments.

According to the article he said that some NATO members are not up to the task... he is likely correct and I think you can 'read in' the ones up north not doing any fighting. Counter insurgency requires tough fighting techniques and also diplomacy to win over the population.

Canadian troops are generally thought of as very good, both now and in previous wars and the Americans have said this on many occasions.


Joe Green
said

This is typical of Republican rhetoric and reminds me of the failed leadership of Rumsfeld. I suppose if the US does not enjoy having JTF-2, British SAS and other units, we can always leave and let the US fight their own battles.

Leave it to a Republican to destroy all credibility in all departments throughout the entire US government, especially the military. Reminds me of the quote..."you go with the army you got, not the one you want"...Heckuva Jobs there Gates!


Glen
said

Typical American B.S. It is interesting to see how well they are doing in Iraq and to then insult us to take the spotlight of their own miserable failure. God bless our brave young men and women who we are all proud of.


Watchdog
said

Considering that the US virtually abandoned the justified action in Afganistan to NATO to start an unjustified invasion and occupation of Iraq, they have no right to make such arrogant and inflamatory statements about the countries that have actually stayed to finish what they started!

Canadians, British, Dutch and other troops that are fighting and dying in the South deserve better treatment from our so-called ally. The call for other NATO countries to step-up, pull their weight and commit their troops to combating the Taliban is justified, but the US is not helping the situation by critizing the troops of countries that ARE making the difference there since they turned their attention to Iraq.

How petulant and ungrateful...but not unexpected from this administration.


Richard
said

Yeah, I think that it isn't the troops who don't know how to do their job but Gates sure doesn't seem to have a damn clue what he's talking about.

Maybe he should fire himself and just shut up before blurting out such stupidity.

I would expect a full apology from this twit.


Doug
said

This is a stupid comment by a stupid man.I seriously doubt that it reflects the opinion of many.And,in fact I expect he is quite embarrassed by the way he expressed himself.Expect an apology and a explanation very soon.
But,for the record,we are not there because the USA invited us.I can't believe people still think that.Ad I would be hard pressed to even agree that the USA started this.Are the attackes by the Taliban forgotten already?
We will bring our troops home one day.I don't know when.But it will be on honourable terms,and not because of the stupid comments of one man.And I think our troops are secure and cofident enough to know that their work there has been nothing short of spectacular,and know they can hold their heads high.And,after all is said,that's what counts.
For now,all we can do as citizens,is offer all of them our support and our thanks.And,of course wait for our govenment to speak loudly,and with the proper amount of indignation about these bizarre comments.At the HIGHEST levels in the USA.


A Canadian Soldier
said

From a soldier who has served in Afghanistan and is on his way back shortly. Maybe the states for one should not start wars and leave them for everyone else to clean up. Two, the states soldiers have not won a sustained conflict ever but claim to have one them all. Three, If the States had trained their soldier so well themn please explain a supply company getting caught in Iraq because of weapons stoppages, I know my weapons drills. Lastly, How many americans are in the south where the fighting is, Kandahar.


I am Canadian
said

I do believe it was our Canadian Army Instructors that trained the American Special service force in WWII.hmmm Oh have we dropped any bombs on our troops or any other friendly forces, not. I guess it's time for another change at the top of the US Forces


Kris
said

That's pretty rich coming from a country that was supposed to be in Iraq "for days, weeks, I doubt six months."

5 years later... Iraq is still a total mess and it will take generations to recover.


Andrew
said

i was for the prolongation of our canadian troops there, but after reading these horrid remarks i think it's best we pull out and let them finish what they begun purely due to one morons capability to not knowing when to keep his mouth shut.


Dan
said

I'm steaming mad at this clown and I'm not on the front lines getting shot at. Maybe the Canadians and Dutch can give this guy some front line training... maybe spend a week or two looking for IEDs.

I know what face will soon be on Canadian dartboards.


Paulo
said

Is anyone actually reading and understanding the article before posting their typical Canadian spew of anti-American comments? Gates has stated that "NATO as an alliance, does not train for counterinsurgency. The alliance has never had to do it before." Well, that is the truth is it not? Most of the reaction appears to be coming from "reported comments" made by Gates. My guess is the media has once again spun their left-wing anti-American bias. Selective listening on behalf of the reporter perhaps? People...start challenging what's reported in the media instead of lining up like pigs at the media trough.


Gary
said

I am an American with deep Canadian ties & if this story bears any truth then I feel Canadians have been deeply insulted by these insensitive and inaccurate comments. I can't belive that this administration will even go so far as to alienate the few that are willing to stand beside them...one more year of this presidency & what a hateful legacy it will leave behind.

I feel compelled to say sorry Canada, our dear friends & neighbors to the north. This administration does not speak for the general populace anymore.


Paul
said

About 6 months ago I worked with several Ex-US Military Officers who served in Afghanistan over the last number of years. Everyone one of them stated to me several times over, that the Canadian Soldiers in that country were well trained and extremely competent at doing their job. They had nothing but good things to say.

At the same time, I also know first had how the media can sometimes skew information to sound or mean differently than it was intended. Be careful to draw conclusions from a single source such as a newspaper.



Joey
said

Typical US. They caused all this themselves and brought it on other nations. And Harper, get out of bed with Bush and change our role in Afghan to peace keepers only and to rebuild, not fight someone elses war!


FSN
said

How sad it is that the US didn't finish the job they started in Afganistan only to go look for non-existent weapons of mass destruction elsewhere and now they complain that the troops are doing a good job. And now look how at the result in Iraq: HUNDREDS of Thousands of innocent children, men and women dead or severely injured. Not that Saddam was good by any means, but in his entire life he didn't kill off as many as the US has since the start of the war. Talk about lack of training.

Next time our neighbours to the south should finish what they start. They've been getting in the habit of leaving before the job is done and asking others to step in. This would avoid troops from other countries from doing a "bad job".


JDS
said

As many have said, the US doesn't see us, Brits, or NATO as "friends and allies"; simply pawns in the advancement of US only interests. This statement proves that point.

There can be no excuse, no retraction, no apology. What is said is said.

Time to bring the troops home NOW.


Cpl McCowan
said

I am a member of the Canadian Armed Forces Cpl McCowan Posted to Edmonton ,Ab if Secretary Gates does not think we know what we r doing, well we can just pull our troops out and let the Americans do everything them selves . For a Country of 32,000,000 million people and having a small military and having 2,500 hundred of our men amd women over thier putting thier lifes on the line every day and loosing 77 of our troops I think we r doing what it takes and getting the job done. Secretary Gates should think about he is saying before he says anything so he wont offend his allies.

Cpl McCowan


Chris
said

What is really sad about this is that even though it is so obvioulsy a quote taken out of context, it generates the usual anti-US diatribe on this discussion board. Canadians really need to understand what they have become.


kevin
said

Why is everyone so shocked? Canadian, Dutch and British soldiers are far better trained than their American counterparts, who only have one advantage better equipment! I have worked with all 4 nations and know this to be true. Remember Gates was going before congress to get approval for additional forces to be deployed in Afganistan. The easiest way to sell that to the American Legislators is by telling them only America can get the job done. I'm sure he actually knows better!
As for training in counter-insergency tactics there is none. The only way to succeed is alla Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now by being a bigger threat to the local population than the bad guys currently are. You will never win the hearts and minds of the Afganis unless you scare them more than the Taliban and clearly that is something civilized nations could never condone.


G. williams
said

If the USA hadn't understaffed the operation to begin with then run off to Iraq, Afghanistan would be secure and Canadians wouldn't be dying - period.

You helped create the mess, send enough troops to fix your mistakes.


Dave in Surrey
said

No surprise we have no comment from our 'New Government of Canada', must still be working on the spin in order to make it look like America is infallible...

I was for troops being in Afghanistan till now... Taliban/Al Qaeda didn't attack us, let the Americans fight them alone if they are so perfect...


F.C.
said

Get offended all you want, which Canadians are expert at, but he's probably right. Our Canadian troops are brave, resouscefull and deadly but have they been trained or have any experience fighting an insurgency? The answer is no. The many years spent neglecting our military has ensured that our tactical doctrine has not changed since the end of the cold war. Simply put we are learning on the job. I doubt you would find any American soldier on the ground who would not want to have Canadians backing them up however.


Brad B
said

That's it, everybody...let's jump on somebody based on comments in a newspaper. We all know how media never twists things around, misunderstands things or generally just sensationalizes. From what I'm reading (not just here), Gates commented on counter-insurgency training by NATO forces. Do they do that type of training? I doubt many, if any, of you know. And if they do, the training would tend to be more at the strategic or operational level rather than tactical (ie. upper ranks, problem solving strategies, rather than individual soldiers training).
We are much too ready to jump on our neighbours to the south. Wait for both sides of the story, THEN jump all over it if required.


Matt
said

Let us remember that all efforts made, and lives lost, to stop the "War on Terror" are a result of the Bush administration's complicit nature toward the events that happened on Sept. 11, 2001. The lies keep coming people!...educate yourself with the facts of the dastardly acts committed by the Bush administration on that fateful day of 9/11! Thousands died...and continue to die as a result of one of the biggest "dupes" in history! Wake up people!
I'd be surprised if ever I saw one of my entries posted...



Jake
said

Be realistic here, if Canadians got angry every time an American politician said something insulting and stupid, we would be a very angry people. These dinosaurs of the western world will be washed away by history, along with the petty squabbles of our time. All these conflicts seem important, the lives lost are senseless, but in a thousand years, no one will even know Mr. Watcha-meh-callit’s name, nor care about Operation kill Canadians in Afghanistan. Bottom-line, most people don’t care, nor will they ever care. So Mr. Watcha-meh-callit, keep talking, because today you made me laugh.


Ron Sagal
said

This should be no surprise to anyone. The Bush regime's legacy will one of corruption and arrogance, ineptitude and lies, scandal and destruction.

What we are doing in Afghanistan is trying to fix yet another quagmire created by American imperialism.

They are no friend of Canada's.


EnR
said

ooooh! if only we are allowed to express our opinion in swear words


Dale
said

Gates is an uninformed moron.
Take off the blinders and look around and see just what the Canadian Troops are doing in theatre.
Shame on you Gates for a very disturbing and disrespectful statement.



Vanessa C
said

If our soldiers aren't up to the task as this twit of a politician states, then why have the US forces constantly praised ours? Given medals recognizing their bravery? The US Forces, the soldiers, know better. The politicians... well like they say - never believe a used car salesman or a politician.


Sherry
said

It's amazing that they would allow some politician to speak - rather than the soldiers themselves. It's the soldiers who know what's really what - NOT the politicians - and the politicians keep proving it when they open their mouths. President Bush - you made another gaff when you chose Robert Gates - muzzle him or educate him.


RICHIE
said

research "server in the sky" an FBI inititive to gather biometric intelligence of most "ally" countries this Gates guy claims are not helping in the war on terror. This of course, will be set up to help the "war on terror". And this just in, on Fox News this morning they claimed that Al Queda has recruited 1500 blonde hair bule eyed westerners to carry out terror attacks... Its NOT true... this is a lie so that they can acheive hyper-security and total global slavery. do not submit.


Furious
said

Mr Gates is an idiot, plain and simple. To verbally slap his allies in the face like that attests to American arrogance in the supreme. Shame on him.


Bob Cross
said

I bet Gates has never been shot at! Insensitive has-been. And folks wonder why many Canadians are anti-American.


Nick T
said

How many Canadians have died in Afghanistan since 2002? 77

How many American troops have died in Iraq since 2003/4? 3000+

How doesn't know how to fight a war?

Tell Gates to shut his mouth or talk about things he knows. Either that, or let the Americans do their own dirty work. Ungrateful b******.


Gates
said

It's unbeleivable and unacceptable that a man in his position would make a comment such as he did. Our soldiers are pouring blood over there. The Canadian army may not be the largest but they are well trained and when called upon to do battle they leave nothing behind. History has shown that more than once. I would not allow him to work in a garbage can.

An apology won't do. His government needs to fire him at once.


Bob
said

Mr Gates should look to the performance of his own troops before looking to criticize the performance of others. The Americans in Iraq could certainly teach us a thing or two about torturing suspected insurgents or massacring innocent civilians. But I've yet to see any evidence that the Americans know how to fight and win against the insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan. Afghanistan is Bush's war and he should fight it alone, or better yet get out.


CDN MIL MBR
said

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates - Please, don yourself a full set of body armour, ruck up with 75 pounds of gear, arm yourself with a C7, C9, M16 or whatever weapon you feel comfortable with and provide your 'allies' with a demonstration of guerilla insurgency supression. I'd be willing to bet my salary against yours that you would not last 24 hrs in combat. Your personal comments should be kept to yourself you ungrateful ________! Your US foreign policy has brought the entire world to the brink of WW3 over what, let me take a guess at this...OIL!!! History has clearly shown that your nation is exceedingly greedy over oil!! Please admit that this is the true reason you went into IRAQ!


Mike Webster
said

.... Gates' comments are way off base and apalling but so is the level of anti-American drivel of the sort we're seeing here.


Dennis L. Krahn
said

Steve:

I believe that you are absolutely correct; I work with both Canadians and Americans who fought side by side in Vietnam, if you outfitted one of each with identical equipment no one would be able to tell them apart in a a battle.

This is just another politician talking when he should be listening.


DW
said

Some one should put him in the field to fight with our military and see the way it really is. At least we have not dropped any bombs on our allies.


R/H
said

What an absolute A**hole that guy (and the Bush Gang) is! They caused all this fighting in the first place, ie "Charlie Wilson's War". Let the Yanks take over completely and our real Soldiers can come home. We obviously will never reach their 'standards'.
A**hole.


Thomas of Halifax
said

And the Americans do know how to fight this guerrilla warfare????? Over 3000 deaths????? Yeah, they know all right.


Darren
said

You've got to be kidding me!!....the US has been getting their butts kicked in Iraq for 5 years by the same insurgents and their supposed to be the great super power wuth the most advanced technology. Give me a break Gates!! The US is lucky to have any support for the wars they wrongly started.


Gary Wagner
said

... Maybe he should take a look at how well the US soldiers were trained and then, maybe the Canadians and others wouldn't be there, because the US would have done the job in the first place. I am both a Canadian and American and ashamed to hear such remarks. Mr. Gates, pick up a gun and go risk your life!!!


Rod
said

Time to leave. Gates can do it all by himself.


Shamaro
said

If Mr. Gates doesn't think we here in Canada can fight, then maybe he needs to be reminded who is doing the majority of the work and fighting in the Southern parts of Afghanistan. Just more ignorant American Rhetoric from a Secretary of Defence who couldn't find the Pacific Ocean on a map, even if you pointed it out to him. Hey, wasn't Mr. Gates in Vietnam? He did so well there fighting a guerrilla war and look what it got him, 55,000 killed and nothing to show for it.


Kyle from Winnipeg
said

Typical US arrogance! Bring our troops home and let the USA fight their own battles!!! They started it, they can finish it.



John
said

The only reason our brave soldiers are in Afghanistan in the first place is because of failed and one-sided US foreign policy in the region and the 9/11 attack that was designed to bring the violence of their Middle East policies to the US backyard. I will always support our troops; however, I have zero support for the mission. Another reason to bring our men and women home.


RCDBOB
said

As a citizen of one of the two nations Vietnam and Canada who bloodied the American nose and defeated them in the 1970's and in 1814 I think Mr. Gates should get off his fat Washington butt and get into the field with his own troops, Canadian troops, and other NATO troops.
If he was speaking of some NATO allies who are not pulling their weight in the the Afghan south where the fighting is heavier he should have said so. But even at that Kabul and other areas where there are NATO allies are still subject to sporadic attacks.
Mr. Gates needs to apologize today and offer some Washingtonese about being misquoted.

GLOBAL SLAVERY
said

Well how about that, everyone talks about "supporting the troops" and our own allies aren't even up to the task. They started this whole thing and I'm sick of people claiming that extremists attack us "because we're free and prosperous". It's complete garbage. It's well known knowledge that less than two months before the invasion of Iraq, Saddam switched oil trading from the dollar to the Euro. Then he was invaded on false pretexts. Next we have Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, switched to Euros for oil trade, then a U.S. supported coup attempted to overthrow him... Now Venezuela is a "danger to democracy". And finally we have Iran, whom we are now on the brink of war with... no surprise here, an oil producing nation that switched to the Euro instead of the dollar. See a trend here? The U.S. dollar is devalued by the day. That is why oil prices increase... Take a look at the price of oil in Euros as opposed to dollars. You'll notice that the Euros stay within 10 cents while the U.S dollar continues to climb.

Mark Fort Erie ON
said

To the Media - well done! Now let`s pick up our ball and go home. Ask a US soldier what they think of the Canadians in Afganistan. I think he was referring to the non-combat rolls some other NATO nations are taking.


Garry
said

Mr. Gates is obviously so impressed with the stupendous job the US has done in Iraq that he is now ready for the US to go it alone in Afghanistan. After these asinine comments, it's obviously time to bring the troops home.


Mark
said

As expected, the left-wingers are expressing this as a "We should get out of Afghanistan" excuse. It was an ill-timed bad comment by a politician, taken out of context.

Just to clarify, we are not in Afganistan because of the US. We are there because NATO asked us to go, and the Liberals decided to send us over.


The Widowmaker
said

He does have a point. Only a small number of countries, Canada included have troops in harms way. Some of these other N.A.T.O. countries won't allow there troops into combat zones. This Afganistan mission in a U.N. and N.A.T.O. mission. So U.N. and N.A.T.O. troops should all be doing their part there. Let the Afghans have the same freedoms WE take for granted everyday. Ask the troops if they think we should be there. It's easy for people to cry foul that we shouldn't be there. When these people are sitting at home safe and sound. Until the troops who are there risking their lives say they shouldn't be there. Then we bring them home. But if they're making a difference, stay the course. The failure called the U.N. should have dealt with problems like this along time ago. But they like to wait till it's too late.


Chris-1VP CCoy 7Pl
said

If the US hadn't stomped Afghanistan in 2002 there wouldn't have been a requirement for NATO to go in, after 3 years of US occupation, I mean assistance, and clean up after them. I have friends and co-workers from 1PPCLI who are deceased or maimed because of those war mongers to the south and now their ignorant Defense Secretary has the parts to say we're not capable of doing the job they started for us? Unbelievable... Maybe the US should learn to finish what they start... or learn not to start in the first place. That's how to attain world peace.


Al
said

Where are the Americans enjoying success in counterinsurgency? Certainly not in Iraq or even Afghanistan. Is Gates implying we should send our troops to the U.S. to be trained. Not.


Chris
said

Talk about the Pot Calling the Kettle Black! The US is hardly a country to speak about inadequately trained troops.


Dylan
said

Shouldn't countries that create messes be responsible for cleaning up their own mess? The US invaded Afghanistan and they want NATO to clean it up? That's preposterous! Anyone wondering why the US election is getting so much early coverage need wonder no longer... People everywhere are eager to see Bush gone.


DJM
said

That's rich, the US saying our troops can't deal with counterinsurgency. Last time I checked, the US was doing a really fine job of it in Iraq! Bring our people home and let the US clean up the mess it created.


Frank
said

Holy crap! They started it, say absolute garbage like this, and expect us to stay? Well if we apparently not up to the task, then pull out now and the yanks can find someone who will do it up to their standards. Good luck with that. What a complete idiot. Now he'll try to spin it that he was misquoted or taken out of context. Sad.


ance
said

I guess he thinks that in trying to spare at least some civilian lives in our assaults on insurgents we're not being aggressive enough.

"Jethro" (aka Americans) are known for their unbridled assault on anything that moves...

Just look at all the "collateral damage" (aka dead children) and "friendly fire incidents" (aka dead Canadian and other allied soldiers) that they leave in their wake.



Trish
said

Typical American government comments. Not surprising from a country that beleives itself to be the 'World Super Power'! Maybe we should allow them to handle this war on their own considering they beleive they are the only ones capable of doing things right!


Lynn
said

This is bloody well unacceptable! How in the world do the people of the U.S. sleep at night knowing these soldiers, from their supposed "Allies" are sacrificing the ultimate, their lives, because they elected a fool who does not truly understand foreign policy!


Kevin L
said

He may be right. You can't fight a guerrilla war by patrolling though an area once a week and then sit inside an enormous FOB completely out of touch with the local community.

The British Special Air Service has fought many successful guerrilla wars, perhaps we need to be looking to the past to learn how to conduct future operations.



Ben
said

Michele, you're assuming we're there because they wanted us to be. I firmly believe that we're in Afghanistan because we as a nation believe in what we're doing there. If the Americans had those kind of imperialist aspirations, do you really think our own nation would remain as sovereign and independent as it is? These comments however by Mr. Gates were foolish and not thought out properly. It's never a good idea to anger your allies.


Paul
said

Apparently Americans just don't get it. "How come nobody likes us?" - Cue up this story next time someone down south asks this question.

Perhaps the esteemed US Military should bring NATO to Iraq to demonstrate how a guerrilla insurgency is handled effectively.


Sean Osztian
said

If we are not up for the job then why did the Americans turn over their AOR to us and the British and Dutch? I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that Mr. Gates will apologize.
Sean


Shawn E
said

Like the US is doing such a great job in Iraq.



Steve
said

Speaking as a member of the CF who fought in Afghanistan, I can say that Canadian soldiers stand side by side any US soldier. We can hold our heads high.

Ask a US soldier what he/she thinks, not a politician. I know what the answer will be.


Murray
said

Well I guess it's time to dust off all the old TV footages of the American Victory in Vietnam and make it part of our training.
Obviously Mr.Gates knows expertise when he sees it.


Michele
said

Ungrateful b.......!

Bring our troops home and let the US tackle their own problems, which are solely because of their foreign policies of the last 75 years; as well as, their imperial aspirations.


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