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Date: Wed. Jan. 16 2008 10:32 PM ET
Defence Minister Peter MacKay is downplaying a report saying his U.S. counterpart doesn't believe NATO troops are effectively fighting the Taliban in southern Afghanistan.
An L.A. Times article quotes U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates expressing doubts about NATO countries that have sent large numbers of combat troops to fight in the south.
"I'm worried we have some military forces that don't know how to do counterinsurgency operations,'' the article quoted Gates as saying. "Most of the European forces, NATO forces, are not trained in counterinsurgency."
The report sparked an angry reaction from some British, Dutch and Canadian politicians. The three countries are spearheading the fight in the southern regions.
But MacKay on Wednesday pleaded for cooler heads to prevail, and insisted that in two recent conversations with Gates, the U.S. defence secretary "lauded Canadian forces" and their efforts in the region.
"He was laudatory in his comments on how Canadian soldiers, men and women in uniform, have performed in this mission," MacKay told reporters at a news conference in Ottawa on Wednesday afternoon.
"He called me just moments before I came in this room again to say, firstly, 'Everything I told you yesterday is true.'"
Scott Taylor, editor of Esprit de Corps magazine, told CTV's Canada AM that Gates needs to go further.
"I think it deserves more than just a phone call between him and Peter MacKay. If you've made a public condemnation of NATO troops, then Mr. Gates needs to come out and make a public apology to the Canadian forces and to other allies of NATO," Taylor said Thursday.
He suggested the U.S. is in no position to be criticizing Canada's commitment to Afghanistan, considering the Canadian Forces have stepped in to take a leading role in the mission when the U.S. shifted its focus to Iraq, leaving few resources in Afghanistan.
"The Americans have let this thing sit and stew and have left a very minimal amount of troops on the ground in Kandahar from 2002 to 2005. the Taliban regrouped and then they handed this thing off to NATO knowing that it was a mess," Taylor said.
"Now they're saying it's our fault for letting this thing degenerate and we don't know what we're doing. As opposed to what? The Americans in Iraq?"
Gates said the quotes attributed to him were taken "out of context," according to MacKay, and "they were comments made of a general nature about the need to focus training of NATO and the alliance on counterinsurgency."
However, Gates' own spokesperson Geoff Morrell said he was actually criticizing all of NATO, including his own country.
"I think the Secretary's criticism with respect to the Alliance's failings when it comes to training for counterinsurgency apply to all members of the Alliance," he said.
When asked if that included Canada, he went on to say: "Including the United States and including Canada. We all have work to do in terms of training our forces to deal with counterinsurgency."
L.A. Times journalist Peter Spiegel stuck to the story he broke, telling Mike Duffy Live that Gates was very clear in his criticisms and doubts about the training received by U.S. allies in the region.
"The question as I presented it to him is I had actually been hearing a lot of buzz in the Pentagon from military leaders that they had been concerned about the south, and again, what they call a lack of capability of the NATO forces in the south in counterinsurgency," said Spiegel in Los Angeles.
"I asked him if he agreed with that, and he said he agreed. He went on to talk at great length about how his concern was NATO forces were not trained in counterinsurgency."
Spiegel said Gates never explicitly said American forces would do a better job in the region, but that he "certainly" compared and contrasted the relatively quiet eastern Afghanistan -- where the U.S. forces are in control -- and the turbulent south.
"The implication was the U.S. has now got it right," said Spiegel, ". . . and is ahead of the Europeans in the south and Canadians in the south in effectively fighting a counterinsurgency."
"Granted, I've talked to a lot of people both at NATO and some military analysts who said it took a long time for the U.S. to get it right," he added.
NATO allies, meanwhile, have reacted with surprise and disbelief to Gates' comments in the report.
AP reports the Dutch Defence Ministry summoned the U.S. ambassador for an explanation.
In Ottawa, Liberal defence critic Denis Coderre demanded the Tory government either call in the U.S. ambassador to Canada or seek a clarification from Gates.
Coderre said at the very least, the comments smack of insensitivity in light of the death of a Canadian soldier north of Kandahar on Wednesday.
Gates' reported comments came to light the day after Washington authorized the deployment of 3,200 U.S. marines to Afghanistan in April after failing to convince European countries to provide reinforcements. Most of the U.S. troops will be deployed to the south to strengthen NATO forces there ahead of an expected increase of Taliban and insurgent activity with the spring thaw.
The U.S. has 14,000 troops with the 42,000-strong NATO-led force, the rest are training Afghan forces and hunting al Qaeda terrorists.
Canada currently has about 2,500 troops serving in the Afghan mission, most of them stationed in the southern province of Kandahar.
With a report from The Associated Press
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Tim Mallory
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sarah
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mcgregor
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northguy406@yahoo.ca
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Deb
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David Dunlop
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Ron A
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Allan Eizinas
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The NATO nations are now looking for a piece of his hide.
According to Robert Gates, we Canadians are just not very good at this war.
Pity.
We are being “played” by American military interests, Afghanistan tribal interests and the international narcotics industry. If Canada had not been in a shaky government transition phase then we would not be where we are and doing what we are doing.
Anyone who understands this war agrees that there is no military solution and that the political solution will require tribal participation (especially the Pashtuns) and certainly a strong Taliban influence.
NATO cannot win this war. Those who we have designated as the “enemy” are winning by not losing. Not only are they not losing but they are not losing very well. All indictors point to a more coordinated Taliban military strategy which, just in the last few days, has managed to maim and kill more Canadian troops, slaughter and dismantle another Afghanistan military outpost and attack and successfully kill foreign representatives in a major hotel in the middle of the heart of Kabul.
All this without any sophisticated military hardware.
They have what none of the NATO countries could ever implement – individuals intent on dying in the process of killing those who consider their enemy. There has never been an effective defense devised or launched against suicide bombers.
Unfortunately, the Americans were also in Vietnam because it was the right thing to do and to protect the rights and freedoms that we all value.
We all know the results of that war.
Martin Warren
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See 'ya at the polls!
Joe
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Americans posting on saving the world while everyone else watches the parade.
M. Cameron
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Mark
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Paul
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Is anyone really surprised to hear this? I mean, really? The US gov't still hasn't apologized for sending an innocent Canadian man to Syria to be tortured for a year. I wouldn't hold your breath for any kind of meaningful apology or retraction here either.
The time to seriously rethink why Canada has to be involved in all of this is long, long overdo...
Ray Deeply Disgusted by the USA
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James Alexander - Vancouver
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rosie
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Ed
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In any event, the fact that the only one COIN has been defeated since WW2 should say something
Joe
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As a member who will be deployed very soon, I too was angered while reading this article, and read the original article posted on the LA Times website. I recently spoke to some retired Marines during the holiday season, and they do appreciate what Canada is doing in the heartland of the Taliban, the Pashtun tribal areas. I'd take what Gates said with a grain of salt, he's trying to justify Bush's decision to the American people, and I'm sure that's hard to do.
Jason Toronto
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Jason Thickett
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James Barth
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The war in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be won by troops that are being lead by misguided leadership. Hey Mr. Gates! America is not out there alone. We are here also. Remember us; the little countries that time after time send are sons and daughters out into the battlefield to defend the weak. Protect the ones that cannot defend there homes. The countries that do this not for political gain, but because it is the right thing to do. Mr. Gates please, get off that high horse you are on and come join the rest of the world. The world of reality.
Signed Just a regular Canadian
AF
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Gates is right. I mean how dare the US allies (Canada included) offer to clean up an absolute mess (and have troops die in doing so) that was created by the USA to begin with. Simply outrageous.
*end sarcasm*
Eleanor
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our valiant soldiers are over there fighting and sacrificing their lives
Maybe Gates should go back to being a professor b/c he defintely is not informed when it comes to defence!!
We should take our troops off combat and put them in another role
and Mr Harper definitely needs to address this insult.
many thanks to our troops for all they are doing. Perhaps Mr Gates needs to address the NATO troops who will not step up to the challenge and are acting like cowards!!
Jim in the West
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While its true that Gates stuck both feet in his mouth to the hips, that doesn't justify the uninformed - like Michele - suggesting that we withdraw because this is a "US war". She is confusing the war on terror, which is one the world needs to make, with the ego-driven war in Iraq, which is a US-only stupidity.
I'd expect that Gates will apologize for his poor commentary, and this will be a temporary moment of lunacy for all involved.
G from East
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Canada and the Netherlands have not been involved in COIN ops like this before.
As for the comment about letting the US deal with their own problem in Afghanistan... two dozen Canadians died on 9/11 too.
The comment about this happening because of 'imperial aspriations'...mmhmm.. someone needs to remove their tin-foil hat and see what the world is really like over there.
David
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Gaunilon
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larry
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According to the article he said that some NATO members are not up to the task... he is likely correct and I think you can 'read in' the ones up north not doing any fighting. Counter insurgency requires tough fighting techniques and also diplomacy to win over the population.
Canadian troops are generally thought of as very good, both now and in previous wars and the Americans have said this on many occasions.
Joe Green
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Leave it to a Republican to destroy all credibility in all departments throughout the entire US government, especially the military. Reminds me of the quote..."you go with the army you got, not the one you want"...Heckuva Jobs there Gates!
Glen
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Watchdog
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Canadians, British, Dutch and other troops that are fighting and dying in the South deserve better treatment from our so-called ally. The call for other NATO countries to step-up, pull their weight and commit their troops to combating the Taliban is justified, but the US is not helping the situation by critizing the troops of countries that ARE making the difference there since they turned their attention to Iraq.
How petulant and ungrateful...but not unexpected from this administration.
Richard
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Maybe he should fire himself and just shut up before blurting out such stupidity.
I would expect a full apology from this twit.
Doug
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But,for the record,we are not there because the USA invited us.I can't believe people still think that.Ad I would be hard pressed to even agree that the USA started this.Are the attackes by the Taliban forgotten already?
We will bring our troops home one day.I don't know when.But it will be on honourable terms,and not because of the stupid comments of one man.And I think our troops are secure and cofident enough to know that their work there has been nothing short of spectacular,and know they can hold their heads high.And,after all is said,that's what counts.
For now,all we can do as citizens,is offer all of them our support and our thanks.And,of course wait for our govenment to speak loudly,and with the proper amount of indignation about these bizarre comments.At the HIGHEST levels in the USA.
A Canadian Soldier
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I am Canadian
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Kris
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5 years later... Iraq is still a total mess and it will take generations to recover.
Andrew
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Dan
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I know what face will soon be on Canadian dartboards.
Paulo
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Gary
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I feel compelled to say sorry Canada, our dear friends & neighbors to the north. This administration does not speak for the general populace anymore.
Paul
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At the same time, I also know first had how the media can sometimes skew information to sound or mean differently than it was intended. Be careful to draw conclusions from a single source such as a newspaper.
Joey
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FSN
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Next time our neighbours to the south should finish what they start. They've been getting in the habit of leaving before the job is done and asking others to step in. This would avoid troops from other countries from doing a "bad job".
JDS
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There can be no excuse, no retraction, no apology. What is said is said.
Time to bring the troops home NOW.
Cpl McCowan
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Cpl McCowan
Chris
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kevin
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As for training in counter-insergency tactics there is none. The only way to succeed is alla Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now by being a bigger threat to the local population than the bad guys currently are. You will never win the hearts and minds of the Afganis unless you scare them more than the Taliban and clearly that is something civilized nations could never condone.
G. williams
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You helped create the mess, send enough troops to fix your mistakes.
Dave in Surrey
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I was for troops being in Afghanistan till now... Taliban/Al Qaeda didn't attack us, let the Americans fight them alone if they are so perfect...
F.C.
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Brad B
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We are much too ready to jump on our neighbours to the south. Wait for both sides of the story, THEN jump all over it if required.
Matt
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I'd be surprised if ever I saw one of my entries posted...
Jake
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Ron Sagal
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What we are doing in Afghanistan is trying to fix yet another quagmire created by American imperialism.
They are no friend of Canada's.
EnR
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Dale
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Take off the blinders and look around and see just what the Canadian Troops are doing in theatre.
Shame on you Gates for a very disturbing and disrespectful statement.
Vanessa C
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Sherry
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RICHIE
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Furious
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Bob Cross
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Nick T
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How many American troops have died in Iraq since 2003/4? 3000+
How doesn't know how to fight a war?
Tell Gates to shut his mouth or talk about things he knows. Either that, or let the Americans do their own dirty work. Ungrateful b******.
Gates
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An apology won't do. His government needs to fire him at once.
Bob
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CDN MIL MBR
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Mike Webster
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Dennis L. Krahn
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I believe that you are absolutely correct; I work with both Canadians and Americans who fought side by side in Vietnam, if you outfitted one of each with identical equipment no one would be able to tell them apart in a a battle.
This is just another politician talking when he should be listening.
DW
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R/H
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A**hole.
Thomas of Halifax
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Darren
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Gary Wagner
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Rod
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Shamaro
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Kyle from Winnipeg
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John
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RCDBOB
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If he was speaking of some NATO allies who are not pulling their weight in the the Afghan south where the fighting is heavier he should have said so. But even at that Kabul and other areas where there are NATO allies are still subject to sporadic attacks.
Mr. Gates needs to apologize today and offer some Washingtonese about being misquoted.
GLOBAL SLAVERY
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Mark Fort Erie ON
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Garry
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Mark
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Just to clarify, we are not in Afganistan because of the US. We are there because NATO asked us to go, and the Liberals decided to send us over.
The Widowmaker
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Chris-1VP CCoy 7Pl
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Al
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Chris
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Dylan
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DJM
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Frank
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ance
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"Jethro" (aka Americans) are known for their unbridled assault on anything that moves...
Just look at all the "collateral damage" (aka dead children) and "friendly fire incidents" (aka dead Canadian and other allied soldiers) that they leave in their wake.
Trish
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Lynn
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Kevin L
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The British Special Air Service has fought many successful guerrilla wars, perhaps we need to be looking to the past to learn how to conduct future operations.
Ben
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Paul
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Perhaps the esteemed US Military should bring NATO to Iraq to demonstrate how a guerrilla insurgency is handled effectively.
Sean Osztian
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Sean
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Steve
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Ask a US soldier what he/she thinks, not a politician. I know what the answer will be.
Murray
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Obviously Mr.Gates knows expertise when he sees it.
Michele
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Bring our troops home and let the US tackle their own problems, which are solely because of their foreign policies of the last 75 years; as well as, their imperial aspirations.