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Date: Thu. Sep. 20 2007 11:22 AM ET

Canadian consumers who should see big savings because of a soaring loonie are instead being gouged.

That's the claim from a consumer advocate, who says the auto industry, big retailers, and importers, are reaping the rewards of a strong Canadian dollar, but aren't passing on any of the savings to shoppers.

"Not one single cent has been passed on to consumers that we can verify," Bruce Cran of the Consumers' Association of Canada told CTV.ca.

Cran says our near-record dollar has created windfall profits for some manufacturers and importers, who are, in effect, paying less for goods they buy from the United States and other countries. But prices for electronics, cars, clothes, and other consumer goods haven't dropped.

Cran says all anyone needs to do is look at the cost of cars in this country. Despite the strong dollar, most cars are still priced $3,000 to $5,000 more in Canada than for the same models in the U.S. When it comes to luxury cars the cost differential is in the tens-of-thousands of dollars, says Cran.

"I don't know why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a car or other consumer goods in Canada when we can have these substantial savings across the border," he argues.

That's why he says Canadian consumers should watch their wallets and head south.

Distributors told CTV News that prices in Canada can't be changed immediately-- sticker prices on most goods are determined six months to two years in advance.

Jayson Myers, president of the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters Association, says it's not a simple matter of dropping or hiking prices every time the dollar rises or falls. He says the auto industry prices cars one or two years in advance.

"You don't get an automatic adjustment when the Canadian dollar rises," says Myers.

Economists agree that it could be some time before consumers feel the benefits of a Canadian dollar that's at near parity with the U.S. greenback.

"Consumers don't really lose out so much when the Canadian dollar is really dropping and, conversely, they unfortunately don't benefit as much when the currency is doing much better,'' says Scotia Capital economist Meny Grauman.

"When the Canadian dollar was even around 65 to 70 cents US, prices didn't adjust because of that sharp depreciation of the Canadian dollar. Now we're seeing the other side of that."

A new BMO Nesbitt Burns study found that Canadians are paying as much as 23 per cent more for consumer goods here than for identicle items across the border.

"There is going to be a lot of pressure that comes to bear on retailers, wholesalers, and maufacturers to at least bring those prices a little bit closer in line," study author Douglas Porter told CTV consumer reporter Pat Foran.

Myers adds that for many Canadian manufacturers the recent 30-year-record highs -- the loonie reached 98.51 cents US Wednesday afternoon -- are anything but good news. A higher Canadian dollar means that many manufacturers, who are already facing increased costs because of high energy prices, will face huge drops in export sales.

But Cran says consumers need to take action if they want to benefit from a strong Canadian dollar. He's calling on consumers to contact their members of Parliament to let them know they won't be gouged. He says that once politicians see shoppers going to the U.S., they'll finally act to protect consumers.

With files from The Canadian Press

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B.J. Sydenham
said

Never mind the high price items. How about the difference in Butter, Milk, vegetables, gas? We were in Maine 1 month ago and Irving Gas US was 79.9 per litre while at home NS, it was 1.08. I purchased 4 lbs of butter because it was 2.25 versus 4.35 here. Who is out there watching that we don't get gouged. Whoever it is, isn't really working hard enough.


Pawan
said

I've seen a lot of angst over the Canadian dollar going up or down, along with the attendant economic disruptions. However, I don't quite understand why more people don't see the obvious solution. We should have a common currency with the United States. That would eliminate all these problems immediately. No exchange-rate fluctuations, coupled with no currency exchange costs, equals no transaction costs plus zero economic disruption.


mike
said

There are some companies that are offering competitive pricing for instance Konica Minolta that is from Japan had much better pricing than any of there competitors for the copier that was purchased. It was much less expensive. Maybe they have decided to pass on the change in currency.
Someone has to be the first not gough the consumer and then the rest will follow.
Canadians always complain but seem never to go into action.
Maybe now with the internet we will.
Companies seem to increase there pricing in hard times but are hard pressed to decrease those profits in the good times.


L Hachey
said

We are car shopping and the dollar has been really good for months now, so we should have seen some increase. But, if Canadian consumers do nothing to change their gouging ways, we will head south as well. We will wait about another month to see what happens.


Adamwolfe
said

The distributors are full of it and talking a lot of bull....I worked in retail for years and also back when the Canadian Dollar was worth 1.25 US. People would be shocked as to the actually markup on goods by the big distributors well over 200%. This 6 month decision that they are trying to sell is bull don't believe a word. Too bad they can't be prosecuted for deceiving the public.


Lyne B
said

I'm with Catherine here. We too are ready to buy a new car and have been shopping for a new one but car dealers refuse to lower their prices, even for a 2007!

So it looks like our old girl will be with us for awhile longer!


Marty
said

David, you're right about the Yen and Euro being stronger then the Cdn Dollar, however just to clarify a thing or two about the Japanese vehicles, the majority of them now are being made right here in both Canada and the U.S. and their part suppliers are mainly here in North America as well, plus a few more from offshore. I've seen a few of your comments in here before and it is of my opinion, you hold Europe in very high esteem, but not everything comes from Europe.


Nathan
said

I smell a recession coming. Do your research people. When the dollar was high in the seventies, we had a recession two years after. Being in the auto industry, this is not good. Everyone who is complaining about having to pay an extra $500 for a television or an extra $2000 for a car here in Canada. WAKE UP and look at the big picture!! The longer the Canadian dollar is this high, the more jobs will be lost. Also before you run down an buy that vehicle down in the U.S., do your homework. Remember you have to pay duty, taxes and make that vehicle meet Canadian regulations (ie. daytime running lights and emmisions)


MARC
said

Wow , I feel really left out living here way up north in Northern Alberta. Yes our economy is boming, but if I could buy a product at 20 -50 % less, I would gladdly do so. The problem is distance. So I buy localy. It sucks, but thats life in any Northern Canadian community.When you take into account taxes and shipping the cost is break even for the most of the time.
If shipping could also come down in prices. Wow.
I would be spending my hard earned cash in the Southern warmer part of the continent. Just a thought.


Z.User
said

Driving across the border will not help the consumer marketplace in the long run. After all prices are not determined by the shopping habits of customers living closer to the US -Canada Border and for many it is not an option. Neither will complaining to your local MP . Corporations will not lose profit just because there were a few letters received at the MPs office .Ive yet to see the price of gas to go down because of that? The answer likely lays in shopping around and comparing prices at different stores. shopping online at the internet, sometimes the answer may lay in buying a product with similar features but of a different brand. newer Brand entries in the market place tend to have less disparities in the pricing between the US and Canada ( or elsewhere for that matter ).


Noob
said

Okay great but we're paying through the nose for a barrel of oil and an ounce of gold. What I can't understand is if we're getting more for a loonie, consumers should be paying less for goods. We cannot afford to not shop around.



Still Hello Montana
said

What's worse, is you can buy a FULLY loaded Hyundai AZERA, for $27,335, in the US, for 2 grand LESS than a Sonata!

Hello Montana!
said

2008 Hyundai Sonata Limited, in Canada, loaded, $29,995.
2008 Hyundai Sonata Limited in US, loaded, (with Subwoofer and amp,) exact same car, otherwise, but with a better warranty, $24,140!!!

SIX THOUSAND more for the same car built in Alabama???


Carol
said

I would love to get a new car for less money - but - are the Canadian dealerships going to honour the warranty? I think not.


Reality Check
said

Let's face it people. We will always buy in the U.S. No matter what the loonie is, the prices will stay the same and they will continue to go up. And let's face it, the loonie will not stay this high. It's only a matter of time till it starts to slowly fall. The U.S. is our friend and neighbor. If we need any type of disaster relief help, they will be there for us as, as always. They help neighbors and we help neighbors. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.


Chris
said

Hello all you smart people - Do your homework. Take a short trip across the border and buy your cars there. Just now I compared prices for popular luxury models on USA Vs. Canadian car manufacturers websites. This article is correct. Also, remember that cars assembled in the US fall under the North American Free trade Agreement which means no extra import duties.

Hmmm - lets see... Do I want to drive a Lexus for the price of a Toyota - I think so!


Ray
said

Another one would be airline prices. How can we be paying still $200.00 - 300.00 more than our U.S. neighbours. Yes we have less competition here for airlines in Canada, but it still should be a lot more equal footing in pricing. ie: we are looking for tickets to thailand which will cost on avg 1400 - 1600 for economy class tickets, yet my wife's parents in the states who live on the east coast and not in a busy state of n. carolina can find tickets at 1200.00, where and when will our government and industries look to help the consumers?


Ron Mullin
said

My wife and I made the decision months ago to make all our major purchases in the USA. Luckily we live 2 1/2 hours from Great Falls,Montana..so we can make day trips. I recently bought 4 new tires for my car and saved over $200.00 for the exact same tires I looked at in Canada. I purchased a new 18" chain saw at Sears for $150.00, the exact same model in Canada $300.00. We are building a new home and all our electronics and appliances will be purchased in Great Falls. We started with an over the range microwave/hood fan at Home Depot on sale for $200.00 in Great Falls, Home Depot in Canada $600.00....DUH!!
As long as the loonie is over 85 cents we will be shopping south of the border. I am sick of being ripped off by Canadian retailers.


DDDD KKKK
said

Well see if people will be complaining 5-10 years from now when the CAD starts to depreciate against the USD. Just as it did in the 80s


Tony Severenuk
said

Worse yet is a Canadian Company, like BRP (formerly Bombardier...snowmobiles, wheelers...) who sends their products to the US at a 25% discount compared to what they charge in the Great White North. Their products are designed here, made here and marketed from here....why are we getting impaled with their high prices?


Jeffrey
said

I'm going to buy a new Corvette in the U.S., instead of buying it in Canada. All said and done I will save about $30,000.


GO U.S. GO!!!!
said

There was a comment that we should buy from local car dealers because they help the community, with sports, etc. Yea, they also HELP THEMSELVES to some VERY nice homes here. Actually, one of the biggest homes on the block near our end of the city isn't a doctor/lawyer, but a Honda dealership owner!!!! True story.


NT
said

My patriotism goes out the door when I am being gouged.
I haven't bought large ticket items lately but I was in Chicago recently and was shocked at how much more I could buy over there, not to mention the fact that the sales taxe were 9% as opposed to 14%!
My daughter wanted an item that was $150. I said no, we'll buy it at home. Problem is, I have to pay $295 for the same thing here! It is just not ethical.
I am going to Boston next week, and I'm planning to buy my whole family's winter wardrobe there. Too bad. If Canadian businesses want our hard-earned money, they should become more competitive. Simple.


Ian
said

I wanted to buy a Jetta Volkswagen and it starts at $23,475 Canadian but in the US the same model starts at $16,490. I can save $7,000 if I buy one from the US, and I can live with the Imperial speedometer!

Bob Lee
said

I wasn't able to see the full story, but I don't think anyone raised the point that the large auto manufacturing corporations are actually making the problem worse. Not only are they charging more in Canada, but they are actually blocking Canadians from going to the US to buy new vehicles.

I was looking at two particular vehicles made by BMW and Mercedes Benz. I was unable to find a US dealer who was willing to sell me a car, due to the fact that it would be a violation of their dealership agreement with their respective companies. To be fair, other manufacturers are probably doing the same thing. Importing a vehicle was no problem -- buying a new vehicle in the US to import to Canada was impossible. If behaviour like this is not illegal, it should be!!


Chris Harborne
said

In regards to cars, it will take a long time (a year or two) before we see any change BECAUSE most of the current/new models were produced at a lower dollar value. I will admit, we are probably getting fleeced a bit, but not as badly as others make it out. As for books, that is something that doesn't have the same lead time on it from printing to distribution.

If you want books cheap, don't buy online from the US. Buy from your local independent bookseller. Many of them (at least in Halifax) have changed the pricing to parity.


California girl
said

Coming from the US and living in Canada for the past 28 years - I've seen the highest and lowest loonie and everyone is right - Canada doesn't motivate the buyer by giving good customer service, lower prices and trying to keep the customer. I find the retail shops full of teenage & 20+girls who are on their cell phones or shop phones with their girlfriends or families at home and can't be bothered to help me. I feel sorry for the stores mostly high end, especially when I can cross the border and practically have a personal shopper in every store I go! Besides, there is more variety, lower prices and the best sales ever! Let's face it - living near the border - the reality is all too real...People will go where their money and business is wanted and appreciated. I'll still shop in Canada but will never stop shopping in the US!


Frustrated person
said

I totally agree with Kevin and his comments about the price of magazines and books. If our Canadian dollar is worth so much now, then why aren't the prices of books and magazines coming down?? As for the price of buying a car in the U.S. well the Canadian car dealers are really suffering now, and it looks good on them. The gouging on our prices for everything even if it is made in China is totally ridulcous!!!! The dollar going up does not really help any one.


Potter Sheila
said

Whilst Canadians continue to be wimps and retailers and manufactures charge whatever the market will stand, we will always be gouged.

If we all said enough is enough, boycott buying books, cars and electronics etc, items that than can be had considerably cheaper Stateside. Sit back and watch the prices drop.

We are a nation of nice people who can be pushed around and these people gouging us damn well know it.


Tim
said

I'm presently in the market for a used Lexus EX 350 sedan. I'm shocked to discover savings of close to 10 thousand dollars by buying in the states. Three friends of mine recently made their car purchases in the states.


jim stanton
said

The best example is wine. The prices have stayed the same or go up while the dollar soars. Supplies are purchased weekly so the argument is bogus and taxes are also higher because the gov't is buying the wine cheaper. It's robbery. Oh, and when they say "it will take a while"...why is it that when oil goes up in price we see increases at the pump within a day or two...but on cars "it takes a while". It smells very, very bad indeed. Shop south people. I am.


reid robertson
said

I commented before with buying cars in the U.S. We were not complaining when the dollar was .63 U.S. Many of us would not afford to buy a focus. Would everyone want to put their local dealers out of business to save a few bucks? Sure, save 3000 dollars, but lets look at the future when the dollar goes back down. Alot of car dealers that I know of put major money back to the communities we live in with sports, charity, economy, etc. Lets put into perspective, YOUR job and careers rely on somebody selling something. If everything goes south, so will your quality of life! At the end of the day, you can't have it both ways.



George
said

I love it when I hear people saying that price reductions take time to occur. It sounds like the oil companies saying that when the price of a barrel drops that it will take 6 months for it to affect our price at the pump, yet when the price of oil rises, the pump price jumps wihtin a day. Prices of US made goods are much higher here than they should be only... ONLY... because we're willing to pay for them. Business aren't going to cut their prices just because they can. They're out to make a buck, not to look after our interests. They'll only cut them if we force them to by not buying them at the price that they're selling them.


Silver
said

CANADIANS - if it is not bitching about the weather then I guess the new sport is bitching about prices. By all means buy all of your crap in the US and then the new sport can be bitching when you lose your Canadian job!


Terry
said

Retailers here are just like oil companies, price goes up quick, but lingers a long time before they fall. A friend and I had a discussion today about buying our next cars in the US. Already my ebay shopping is up.


Richard
said

Thats it, enough is enough. I'm protesting this gouging by not spending a dime unless I need just the basic stuff for survival. I'm banking every penny and I'll wait till someone in Canada wakes up and smells the coffee. We can protest this by resisting spending.


kevin plemel
said

..as to books and magazines, the best response is support your local library, most carry both, and the latest editions as well!...don't purchase a book that is 30+% higher priced in Cdn dollars!

kevin plemel
said

I have been doing an immense amount of internet shopping from U.S. companies the last 18 months for this reason. Even after the shipping fee's, we still save a lot of cash on our purchases. I truly try buying Canadian companies and products, but out of spite, will not reward companies that want to screw the consumer. Speak out with your wallet, that is the only way companies will respond.

Yenno
said

I heard the Canadian Dollar lost ground against the Japanese Yen, let's immediately raise prices on all the Japanese cars and goods.

David
said

Are Canadians so naive that they think all goods come from the USA? The Euro is as strong vs the Canadian $ as it was many months ago, the same is true for the Yen, how can that make a Japanese or German car suddenly less expensive? Inventory is purchased at an exchange rate when it was bought or ordered, how can a Candadian retailer give that away and make a living? For many years cars were far less expensive in Canada than the USA, who complained then? Business cant react to every currency fluctuation or there would be chaos and businesses going bankrupt. Parts are bought from arround the world including Canada, the world does not centre on the US of A.
Remember as the new car price goes down so does your trade. Who would want to be the used car manager when all his inventory is devalued suddenly and he is bankrupt and the finance company that finances him is out of business or are these and their employees and families not real people? Please people!

merv simon
said

When I hear the likes of Jayson Myers say its not a simple matter of dropping or hiking prices you can just tell he doesn't shop much. Gas prices change on a storm warning, groceries prices change just as fast. So why doesn't the price of a vehicle drop if the importer is getting it cheaper from the manufacturer. And we know they are. I have actually talked to people that have made cheaper purchases in the states. Yes I agree with the general sentiment that us consumers should not buy for the sake of convienience but make the extra effort even if it means going across the border.

Ron Estabrook
said

I live north of Edmonton. I can't just head for the States on a whim. What are we supposed to do??

Mark
said

I will still continue to buy Canadian no matter what! I am a Canadian and I will continue to support my community by purchasing small and large ticket items right here at home. After all it is because of consumers we all have jobs. If we stop purchasing here, people will begin to lose their jobs, taxes won't be paid and everything else will go into the tank. Stop sending your money to the States and buy Canadian.

Jim
said

Actually Canada's standard of living (4th) ranks higher than the US (8th)

It does take time to work these types of production costs into consumer prices. Many of the parts, components and services that are in stock or went into products currently being sold were purchased with a weaker dollar so prices must reflect these costs. It will take a little time and a stable higher dollar before manufacturers can reflect the currencies current value in actual consumer products. Cran's ignorance of this is both humorous and sad. Cheers

Adele
said

Prime Minister Harper is doing to good of a job as we become an energy super power and financial super power. But he is growing the country too strong too quick. As we become a force on the world stage he is well liked and warmly received but I still worry we are growing too fast now.

prairie boy
said

Horray, island girl!! That is throwing it back at them. These merchandizing spokesmen seem to think they can bamboozal us with their double talk. But a lot of Canadians are getting tired of listening. Our loonie is worth more these days,show us some respect and reflect it in our purchases.


SD
said

I certainly will be buying most things stateside until prices get adjusted.

Why pay $500 for something here when I can get the same thing for $250 in the US.

Also, I think magazine companies and book sellers need to change their prices.


Lex Poulus
said

The purchase and importation of a US bought vehicle is easy and worth the thousands saved. Vote with your feet and make sure you let your local dealer know.

island girl
said

I buy many things online from the States which are priced in US dollars and I get all the savings of the exchange rate. I hardly ever shop the stores here...I'm tired of bad service and higher prices. If Canadian businesses were more competitive, I'd buy here. As for prices not changing immediately, that's bull. I worked retail for years and as soon as companies even got a whiff that the wholesale prices were going up, they'd change the prices of the existing stock....even though it was purchased at the lower price.

Laith
said

I personally would rather the loonie come down in the range of 70 to 80s percent compare to the American dollar. The reason because our labour, which some are operated by American and/or international firms, will soon find it is cheaper to hire people in US than in Canada. This is what concerns me the most and do the see the long-run effect of this to all Canadians.


Chris Rumbold
said

My wife recently bought a second hand Subaru here in Canada. We discovered last weekend when we were doing some shopping in Washington that we could have bought the same car there new for $3000 less.

It’s bad enough knowing that we earn less and get taxed more than our American neighbours, but to think that we have to pay more for the same goods and services is a complete insult. No wonder our standard of living is so much lower.

Even when our dollar was at the $0.62 cent level we were still being charged more. Until Canadian companies stop fleecing us and bring their prices into line with what they are charging in the US I am going to be shopping south of the line.

Furthermore, Europeans are now enjoying the benefits of a single market and prices that are starting to converge. It just makes you wonder what’s happened to the NAFTA agreement, and the same single market principals it was meant to foster here.



Catherine Grace
said

I hope someone from Honda is reading this. I am already to walk in and buy a new Civic this week. But I'll wait and wait and wait or go elsewhere. This is one Canadian who won't be gouged. That goes for you too Indigo/Chapters. I think Barnes and Noble is just a 50-minute drive.


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