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Date: Wed. Oct. 22 2008 10:01 PM ET
VANOC board member Dick Pound has apologized for remarks that some interpreted as meaning First Nations people were "savages" 400 years ago. The comments, given to a newspaper earlier this year, sparked a public outcry.
"I apologize for any unintentional harm that was caused, absolutely," he said. "That was not my intention in any way, shape or form."
Pound, former head of the World Anti-Doping Agency, made his remarks while defending the decision to hold the 2008 Olympics in China, despite the country's questionable human rights record.
He said: "We must not forget that 400 years ago, Canada was a land of savages, with scarcely 10,000 inhabitants of European descent, while in China, we're talking about a 5,000-year-old civilization."
Pound was speaking in French and used the term "pays de sauvage," commonly used by the Jesuits at the time to describe First Nations people. He said the term does not necessarily carry the same connotations as the English word "savages."
"That is the term (pays de sauvage) that has been used in French which means something entirely different than savages in English for close to 400 years," he told The Canadian Press.
"It's fallen out of favour now and I probably should have been more alert to the change in vocabulary. It's not derogatory."
Pound made the controversial comments to the Montreal-based LaPresse newspaper on Aug. 9. But they only sparked controversy in the past few days when it emerged that a Quebec native rights group had complained to the International Olympic Committee.
On Tuesday, B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell told the Globe and Mail that the remarks were "totally unacceptable" and that Pound should resign from his position on the VANOC board of directors.
"It's a disgraceful comment," Campbell told the newspaper.
Native groups also rallied against Pound's remarks. In a statement on the website for the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs, Grand Chief Stewart Phillip said Pound should quit his role as chancellor of McGill University.
"A man of Mr. Pound's stature and experience should have known better," Phillip said in the statement. "As a measure of genuine remorse and reconciliation, Mr. Pound must resign."
He said the group stands by calls from Ghislain Picard, chief of the Assembly of First Nations of Quebec and Labrador, in initially calling for Pound to step down.
In a statement Friday, the AFNQL called on McGill to officially sanction Pound.
"Mr. Pound should himself understand the immense discourtesy of his remarks and offer to resign," Picard said in the statement.
"Contrary to the beliefs of Richard Pound, the First Nations of Quebec are descendant from great societies that have occupied the territory of Quebec for more than 5,000 years. Before the arrival of Christopher Columbus, America was inhabited by nations that lived in well-organized societies. We were not mere herds."
Phillip said Pound's handling of the fallout from his comments shows an even greater lack of judgement.
"The UBCIC finds Mr. Pound's attempt to deflect the seriousness of his blatantly racist remarks as clumsy, insincere and completely unacceptable," he said.
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cantuc
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Alex M. McComber
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Jim
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He is right! Canada was a savage country 400 years ago, while China was one of the world's eminent places of thought, invention and culture. They had, for the most part, moved past the savage stage.
In Canada, English killed French, French killed English, they BOTH killed "First Nations", First Nations fought and killed european AND each other. It was the life in a savage land.
There was a culture, among each group BUT to each other, it was strange, too diferent, so better to be annilated.
Mr. Pound COULD HAVE flowered it up but the truth is the truth, it is our history, and no self rightous denial will change that! Lets just accept it and MOVE ON for god sake!
Mr. Pound has NOTHING to resign or be sanctioned about.
Marc Gervais
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Don't have to think too hard to know what part of the country you must be from.
Contrary to Mr. Pound I think there are plenty of savages in this country. None of them on reservations...
nitus
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-a member of an uncivilized people
-without civilizing influences
CIVILIZATION:
- a society in an advanced state of social development (e.g., with complex legal and political and religious organizations)
REALLY, people, you're overreacting here. The native americans WERE savages by the definition that Pound is using here.
You're all acting like he called first nations people murderers and rapists, or something equally vile. He was pointing out that China had an advanced civilization thoudsands of years ago, and he was right.
You may not like the idea that the first nations were largely primitive bands of nomads with a stone-age culture, but that's just too bad. Welcome to reality.
Jim in Edmonton
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Jimmy
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He has nothing to apologise for.
JP
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FrankCanadian
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Are we to believe that indigenous North American culture is inferior to European culture because they didn't have the wheel or ships? Then, are we to believe that Zen Buddhism is inferior to any other belief. Or that Islamic belief is inferior or that any belief is not "correct?"
Europeans stumbled upon a different part of the planet more than 500 years ago and didn't even have the courtesy to say, "Can we visit? We have some neat things to trade."
Essentially we give more courtesy to a dead moon and a long-dead Mars.
Jess D
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Confused about his message
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He could have simply used a far better series of words. The point he was trying to make, all the same, doesn't make much sense. Canada has a colourful history, of course, but we're nothing like some of the nations on earth that have a much worse history.
I just don't know what his point really is. If he should resign, it's because he's incompetent, not because he's racist.
my 2 cents
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Mr Pound spoke a little too bluntly given his position and the tendancy of special interest groups to jump all over everything people say, but he wasn't lying.
Roger
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richardd
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Travis Eklund
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On the flip side, it's typical of Canadians to take a single word, out of context, and blow it WAY out of proportion. Typical Canadian behavior to be over sensitive about a WORD.
Roger T
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White and Not Amused in Winnipeg
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Certain people on this forum can claim “free speech” all you want but given the context of his comments it seems this goes far beyond Quebec colloquialisms. Mr. Pound refers to Canada as a “land of savages, with scarcely 10,000 inhabitants of European decent, while in China, we’re talking about a 5,000 year old civilization.” Does no one see the unpatriotic sentiment toward Canada or the exclusion of the thousands of Natives who lived here for 5,000 + years before the arrival of European settlers? He calls us “savages” and “inhabitants” yet refers to the Chinese a “civilization.” Well Mr. Pound, if you love China so much, go there and never return. Your kind is unwanted in my Canada!
Canadian Soldier
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That said, I dont agree with Pound's remakrs, but I do agree with his right to speak them without persecution.
Get off your high horses, none of you appologists have what it takes to ride a high horse in the first place.
GM
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Larry
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New World
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I am a true believer in that it's not the word you use but the context in what the word is used for. Is the 'word' used to display hatred? Is it used to make you feel superior? Is it used to segregate? Is it used demean the value of another group/person in our society? Is it used to intentionally hurt?
It's not "P.C. Run amok". It's being careful about what you are saying, and what effect it will have on others. What you may think is a shot at humor, or stressing a point, may deeply hurt and insult someone else.
The simple solution is Dick should apologize, and the First Nations people should accept his apology.
Mike
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joe
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Carla
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Let’s have a sincere apology and be done with it.
Red Deer Joe
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ronald lavigne
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Deborah in Quebec
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Get over your self importance already.
Bewildered in Toronto
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Besides, "savages" is still a relative term - according to whom? compared to whom? and, under what circumstances?
Further, "being offended" is a personal responsibility and not dependent on someone else's behaviour.
Pretty soon, people will be offended if their religions are criticised. Oops! Too late.
Pat
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Get over it!
FreakAlert
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terry
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GB
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ME
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Call a spade a spade. He was talking about 400 years ago, people and that has no reflection on today. The point being that China was more developed then than most countries then, it isn't now.
That being said I think the IOC was wrong to hold the Olympics in a country that is not open to public scrutiny.
Al-Vancouver
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NicholasPaul
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RUBBISH! In case it isn't written in your history books, hunting has been around a lot longer than 400 years, and Europeans didn't have to come to North America to learn it! Do you think Europe doesn't have any savage land?
Trent
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Nothing to see here, move along.
Mo
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Richard, Gatineau
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Jim.Vancouver
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Perhaps Mr Pound should receive a call from the Inquisition,ie; The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal!
After a lengthy exposure to the Rack and a mandatory course in 'Sensitivity training',i'm sure Mr Pound will be accepted back into the Human Race,albeit without his job and the braying hounds will feel that another successful win has been entered into the column of P.C run amok!
Gail (Hamilton)
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George
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Stop the useless politically correct nonsense.
Savages and Barbarians
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Clayton Magnet
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400 years ago one might classify all europeans as savages. The americans slaughtered the same 'savages' and were savages for doing so!
Who cares, there is no story here CTV.
With Held
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steven
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there is no questions that he has to apologize.
steven
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there is no questions that he has to apologize.
Tired of this stuff....
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Lighten up people and worry about things worthy of your worry.
Savage Viking
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Offensive - certainly not.
I think 'savage' is a very appropriate word to describe the world 400 years ago.
Ike - Aurora
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However, I agree that it was a silly comment. In a country like Canada you can't say stuff like that.
kneeguy
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It has made everyone ultra-sensitive to everything and left people looking to be offended by any and everything. No one is willing to call a spade a spade anymore for fear of offending someone.
Those of you who just blew a gasket, have effectively proven my point. Have a valium and Google the phrase.
maca
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Even if he did use the term - I remember growing up hearing the term 'savages' referring to the indians ... also the term 'natives' it was accepted then (and I am only in my 40s!... but also the people of the day 150-400 years ago did think/speak along those terms - of course we are not to use these terms today ...
every civilization called another group savages - because people WERE brutal(some still today!)
people lets hear Mr. Pound's explanation first or learn the context of the use.. then take appropriate ...if any action !
Quoting a old term does NOT make someone racist etc - chill out people !
AV
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Canuck in bellingham WA
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Whether the word savages is the best way to describe this is open to debate. The life expectancy of the average N A aboriginal has risen great, as has there quality of life in general.
All it cost them was the destruction of their way of life, degredation and slaughter through disease, residential schools and reserves.
Whhh, but its not politically correct to point out either side of the truth.
Linda in Vancouver
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That said,by the standards of today,all societies and cultures could be viewed as being "savages" at one point in our respective histories.
Wrong.yes.Stupid,yes.But read some history of the planet and the evolution of humanity.I'm sure he simply and stupidly blurted out an offensive thought that many millions of people have had during the millions of years of man's migration all over the planet.
Many people in history that we might now call revolutionary,or heroic today had very similar thoughts about other culture or races at one time or another.
The sad thing is that someone of his stature.in the 21st century,has not really figured out how to express himself in ways that do not marginalize other cultures.
But then again,he is clearly not alone.If he was the only guilty party,we could eliminate all kinds of discrimination in a heartbeat.
Who among us feels so self rightous as to be capable of casting the first stone?
Pierre
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The only Quebeckers who still refer to natives as "sauvages" are elitists who think that europeans are somehow better than the natives they killed off when colonizing.
Kris Pittman
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Sherry
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Anthony
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A.C.
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To demand that he resign, however, is short sighted. Make him apologize; he should certainly pay some kind of restitution, but to make him resign? He's the most qualified person in the country to do the job. His track record with the IOC and other organizations is proof of that.
What the media isn't paiting is the true peril VANOC is in right now with funding problems, dissention in the ranks, and serious issues - in both the sport and cultural mandates - that require someone like Dick Pound to deal with.
Let's not be so hasty in tossing out a qualified leader just because he got caught off guard in one question. Afterall, precident is already set: Stephen Harper managed to put his foot in his mouth multiple times over the last year, and yet we still re-elected him.
Make Pound pay, but not at the cost of Canada and Vancouver's success in 2010.
Andrew
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Nicole
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Happy Canadian
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But this does not mean that he is always wrong.
He used a term that is common in the Quebec language and refered to the level of civilization (debateable) between China and Canadian native people. Nothing improper here.
PC whiners be damned, appologists shut up and special interests groups go crawl back in your holes!
Getting so that every little thing offends someone.
Demanding a resignation because you don't agree with a statement! You sound even more " over the top " than Pound does.
Louise Fribance
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Don
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Lumpy
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john
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Jim
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Well actually no. That is a very old world way of thinking and misuse of the word "savage". The term was always used as a way to try to infer that your culture's structure was superior to that of another's. Europeans commonly called the Japanese or Chinese savages even though both had much longer existing cultures.
The term is not accepted as a description of culture anymore since we have gorwon enough to know that just because someone's culture differs from ours, it does not mean ours is superior.
Dale Wilson - Edmonton
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This is 2008, you don't say things like that today. Period. Dick Pound has long since overstayed his welcome in any Olympic capacity. Come on, there are a lot of talented individuals out there who could have been chosen for the committee.
greggmac
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Kila
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G in Ottawa
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Jamie
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It doesn't offend me at all that they were as it has no bearing on me today.
Ryan in AB
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Also, "W in SK" freedom of speech does not come without potential consequences for your words. Mr. Pound is welcome to voice his comments but can not do so without expecting possible reprecussions.
Cornwall BK
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Should we remove all the books in the libraries that contain the word savage?
Anything for a news story..
Al
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There aren't any!
Simon Shaw
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Anne
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This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and it is VERY newsworthy. This has to do with a man in a position of power making very uninformed and ignorant statements that insult the first people to inhabit this country.
Peter Hunziker
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It is unfair to criticise Pound for using an old established French term within a Frech speaking Province.
Decendant of Savages
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Dave Craig
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Aside from an apology i don't think his resignation is needed. he's an Doping official, representing International Doping, not Canada
W in SK
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who cares!!
where's the freedom of speech people
Say goodbye Dick !
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Salut et 'bonsoir la visite'!
M in Ottawa/Canada
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Joe
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I think his comments are a disgrace and as someone who was instrumental in assisting the VANOC to secure the Olympics, I think it would be a profound disgrace to Canada and the Olympics if he were to not resign for such comments.
Wow...I never saw that one coming. What a disgrace. How dare he.