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The family of Fredy Villanueva, father Gilberto, mother Lilian and sister Patricia Villanueva, speak at a news conference in Montreal on Friday, Aug. 15, 2008. (Peter McCabe / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Fredy Villanueva is shown in this undated family handout photo made available by La Presse in Montreal. Gilberto and Lilian Villanueva (right) the parents of Fredy Villanueva, and other family members pass by the coffin at his funeral in Montreal, Thursday August 14, 2008. (Graham Hughes / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Fredy Villanueva, right, is seen in this undated family photo. He was reportedly shot and killed by Montreal police on Saturday, Aug. 9, 2008.

Family of slain Mtl. teen calls for end of riots

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Date: Fri. Aug. 15 2008 7:18 PM ET

Family members of a Montreal teen shot to death in a police altercation say they don't want anymore violent protests, but they do want answers from authorities about why such extreme measures were taken.

Fredy Villanueva, 18, was laid to rest Thursday, five days after he was shot in a park while hanging out with his brother Dany and a group of teens.

A coroner determined that he was shot three times and that two of the bullets hit vital organs in his rib cage and abdomen. The teen bled to death.

His death sparked a violent riot in Montreal North, a gritty, diverse neighbourhood where youth and police often clash. The police have been accused of racial profiling.

Fredy's sister Patricia told reporters at a news conference Friday that violence is what killed her brother and that she doesn't want it being used for vengeance.

"We thank everyone for supporting us but we want things to remain calm because violence leads to nothing," she said. "(The riots were) not something my family and I wanted, we never wanted violence."

She said though she is angry about the way her brother died, she wants to deal with it in different ways. The family called for a swift investigation into the actions of police the night her brother died.

"Why? This is what we want to know," she said, with her mother by her side. "Was it really necessary? A little boy who as just starting out his life. I'd like to be in his place. I've lived longer than him."

She said police should have called for reinforcement if they felt the situation stepped out of their control. She questioned the training of officers, saying they shouldn't feel like they have to pull out a gun to stabilize an escalating situation.

Montreal police say they were surrounded by a group of about 10 teens and that many of them rushed the officers. Two other youth were also wounded in the altercation and are in hospital recovering.

Human rights advocates are speaking regularly with the wounded men to make sure they retain counsel and that police do not attempt to speak with them without their lawyers present.

Patricia Villanueva raised her eyebrows when a reporter asked her about trust.

"Trust, big word eh? What can I say, as a family what we want is for police to be impartial and that it doesn't take centuries to find answers on the death of my brother."

The family also announced that there would be a radiothon on Saturday, Aug. 23 to help raise funds to help cover the cost of the funeral. Any excess money from the donations would go towards programs for youth in Montreal North, they said.

A bank account has been set up in Quebec for members of the public who want to make a donation but the account details were not immediately available.

Police ask for help

In the meantime, Montreal police have asked for the public's help to find those involved in last Sunday's riot and have released photos of a number of suspects.

The pictures show about 50 people allegedly looting a store in a northern Montreal community.

Police say that some were involved in Montreal's hockey riots in April and described them as "professional criminals and agitators."

Sgt. Ian LaFreniere told CTV Montreal that the rioters had little to do with the protest which was talking place.

Police used the same tactic when riots broke out during the Stanley Cup playoffs earlier this year. Police say they have gathered about 500 pictures from video surveillance cameras that were connected to businesses that were broken into and looted.

Gerard Tremblay, the mayor of Montreal also spoke to reporters Friday afternoon and said he is looking to "develop new approaches and solutions" with provincial and federal partners to help improve the sensitive situation in Montreal North.

"We have to step up our efforts," he said. "There wasn't just one factor that led to the events that took place on Sunday.

"There isn't one answer that will help, nor is there any cure," he continued. "What we need now is time, perseverance and most of all, political will."

He said regaining the confidence of the youth and "bringing them hope" is in essential part of the plan. He said social agencies need to have workers focused on the streets to help rebuild that trust.

"I am firmly committed to making a difference and improving the quality of life for residents of Montreal North while ensuring the safety of our population."

He said he is also doing what he can to ensure there is a full investigation into the matter to help restore public confidence in the police service.

"I've asked for a public investigation be made and that the results be made public as soon as possible," he said. "We will continue over the next few weeks to ensure that proces put in place yields concrete, transparent and impartial results."

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brett from alberta
said

To everyone that thinks that being shot 3 times shows that the police where at wrong.... police and military are trained that when they switch to deadly force they USE deadly force! Double tap in the chest and one in the head. They are trained untell it is muscle reflex. The shooting would have been over in less than a second. This "teen" chose to charge the police with his buddies, what did he think would happen, that they would allow themselfs to become victoms, if the outcome had been different and the police where beaten to death or shot with their own guns everyone would be singing a different tune.
All the bleading heart liberals out there. This "punk" got what was coming when he made the choice to attack a cop, thankfully he was stoped in his tracks along with the others or it would have been a real tradgedy.


Hugo
said

DougBC wrote, and I quote; "...If you want to live,when a police officer tells you to do something,do it.If your rights were violated,you can argue about it later.At least you are alive..."

Good judgment dude. Seriously, the Gestapo just loved it when people thought like that. The GRU too. And those cops who hit Richard Barnabé to death too! What about those cops who beat Rodney King? I am pretty sure they thought the same way and I am pretty sure that Stockwell Day would appreciate your comment. But man, get real. Go back to school and learn history. These kids are ostracized by a system that values what you earn over who you are. Hence they get into criminal life since you easily earn a lot in this type of business. Plus, playing dice in a park with friends should not equal in getting arrested without warrant. Much less should it rhyme with the death and injuries of UNARMED minors. I honestly don't know about any solutions to such a societal problem, but It would probably start with the police doing their job in a correct, respectful and diligent manner.


salazar
said

People seem to forget that these kids were playing dice in the park... Not exactly an illegal activity! Where did some of you come up with the story that there was a brawl going? Are going to tell me that harrasing a group of kids just because they are in a small crowd is not profiling. There was no drug deal going on, no fight... What if they are in a gang? Where they doing something wrong at that time? did he deserve to die over a dice game? Does the fact that some kid have bad manners and bad parents and dont respect others mean that you have to shoot them. If your going to pull out your gun for any situation, that dont become a cop!


Realistic
said

I've advised the young men I know to always obey police or other authority figures even when they are just being "rousted" for no particular reason other than being seen together in a group by police (yes, our police do this, it is a shame but true).

You can't be sure of the outcome if you do anything else.

Rousting groups of teens does not usually result in any charges but it also does not usually result in death if the kids just "suck it up" and play nice.

It doesn't teach them a good lesson about police, but they live to see another day.


Sorry But
said

wow, quite an arugment.

Simple question:
Cop went to park and saw buch of punk sitting there, they called - hey punk come here!

Now tell me what do they expect!

They created a situation which they probablly don't know how to handle!

Lastly,
1. cops carry guns to deal with con mans not to shoot at public in parks.
2. cops are to enforce the law; not to impose the judgements, that's the responsibility of judicial system.


Concerned in Kingston
said

18 yr. old victim is "a boy".
18 yr. old criminal is "a man".
At the point of his death, he went from man to little boy...at least in the eyes of the media. As tragic as this is, and the resulting riots, the media has to take some responsibility in the outcome of this. But so does the community. The fact that people rioted immediately I think only supports the police in the actions they took the night he died. Bravo for the family to recognize that continued violence is not the issue. They have a right to answers and they have shown nothing but class in their loss.


alex anissimoff
said

I would have thought that even the simplest among us would know the following.
"If you charge or attack an armed man, there's a better than excellent chance you will be shot as the armed man can't allow his gun to be taken away and possibly used agaist him."


Nicky
said

This story is awful...but im so tired of hearing ...he got shot cause he wasn't white...please people move on...everytime somebody has something done to them and want out of it..they use the fact of their race...its ridiculous...I don't know the whole story...but if in fact they were up to no good and in gangs or whatever and were told to back off and then attempted to assault a police officer..what does it matter what color he or she is...If your going to run with bad people...bad things happen..sad but true...I feel sorry for the teen and his familly but race in my opinion has nothing to do with this..his or their actions did...


Linna in Ontario
said

Basil sums it up for me. I'm really sick and tired of conservative elements in this country blasting away with their predictable vitriol based on their 'feelings' of a world made up of 'us and them' rather than waiting for the evidence to create a factual picture to base an opinion. Just because you claim to be 'law abiding' doesn't mean police should shoot 'punks' on sight. This young man did not deserve to die, shot three times while unarmed and not threatening the police officers...remember, Fredy did not rush or surround the police, he was cooperating when neighbourhood teens allegedly approached the officers in a group....oooooh, very scary! A bunch of teenagers!

The police shot this young man THREE times, for what?

For. What? Was he waving a gun at them? threatening anyone with a knife? No. Fredy was unarmed and cooperating with police when he shot dead, multiple times. This is all we know for a fact at this point. My heart breaks for his family.


WC of BC
said

With all due respect most of you people know squat about those 2 seconds when you are faced with a decision to draw a weapon and shoot. To you “couch-potato” wannabe cops: THERE IS NO REPLAY IN REAL LIFE. This is not your favorite “soap-opera’ type of garbage TV cop shows where things just work out in the end to everyone’s satisfaction. And to the media: You try to exploit every event by making every segment of it as outrageous as possible. You call an 18 year old a “teen”, making it sound like he was what 14 or 16 just to push more buttons and get people to react to this and hence read more about it.

Look what happened in Afghanistan when our soldiers had to shoot at a vehicle that wouldn’t stop and they ended up killing two small children. Now those children were INOCENT. A mob of angry teens attacking police in a country of opportunity such as Canada NOW THAT IS A CHOICE.



Robert Coates
said

It seems that the public keeps forgetting, the police are people too, subject to emotion and human error, the same as the you or I. If you claim to have never made a mistake at work then I'd say you were a liar. Not to say what occurred was a mistake. To anyone who has ever had to face a group of people that you thought intended to cause you harm you know how truly frightening this situation can be. How these officers reacted so a self defense situation is called human instinct and no amount of training can remove that from a person. Unless your goal is to remove any shred of humanity from the police and have them function as emotionless enforcers of the law.

It is a sad day indeed when anyone has to lose a family member before their time, but to have others then turn around and use that tragedy as an excuse to commit further crimes is in my eyes disgusting.

Perhaps both parties share equal blame. Perhaps the police are to blame, as well as the youth, or maybe it's the parents and our own(society) for letting these teens(legal adults)get into this kind of situation in the first place.

It is the police officers duty to enforce the law and follow procedure, not defend society and individuals. Instead of pointing fingers at the police or the youth as the rest of you seem content to do, how about we wait for the report to see if the police followed proper procedure. If your issue is with procedure, then you should be fighting the politicians not the police.

I'll leave my opinion of Stockwell Day out of this....


Sean
said

i agree with al. If they charged the police, they have every right to do what they have to, to ensure their lives. Obviously something sparked it, they don't draw their guns for nothing.


Lil
said

You say being ganged up by 10-20 people.. sorry but if I were a police officer and I saw a group of people doing something wrong I would not walk up to them alone!

I am not saying that the police officers in question are wrong nor that they don't have the right to defend themselves. All I'm saying is that sometimes these "situations" are not always handled correctly - thus why an 18 year old kid is dead

And I say kid because at 18, you are still just a kid - you have not lived or experienced things that a 45 year old has.




bebe
said

Cops shouldn't get scared like that...they should have control guess wat its their job to do that. They saw the group of kids before they called them to approach they had the chance to call for back up just in case...they didnt...and i'm sorry but ya i think the cops do feel some kind of remorse but think about how the story keeps changing on their part. Ive been following up on every article about this case and the cops side seems to always change...im sorry but if your a police officer you are trained to maintain peace not shoot off your gun any chance u get...and if you cant do just that then your not fit...it might have been different if one of them tried to use a weapon but they didnt..and wat are the chances anyone will go after a cop with the intention of hurting them without a weapon knowing all police officers carry weapons that can kill you...smarten up before u start trashing the poor kids...people do bad things that doesn't always mean their at fault...youth in general these days is assumed to be the root of all problems...but someone had to raise us...and its the same generation that blames the youth...all of oyu need to grow up


Ben
said

Verbal direction. I guarantee you they were instructed to stand down. My condolences to the family. It is indeed a tragedy. But there is a job to do, and someone has to do it. If you're surrounded, the 3 minutes it might take for back up to arrive, I would hope that in those 180 seconds, nothing would go wrong. If you think the Police have no heart, remember that the next time you're in a situation when you need to dial 911. Maybe not all Police, but for a large amount of them, heart is what helps them go to work everyday. The media has focused on the family, which I think is important, maybe soon, readers and viewers can get to know the Officers, who they are, and how they felt.


Doug BC
said

Young people have a tendency to feel they are invincable.And even more so when they are in crowds.Dis-respect for police,or any other authority is a scourge on our justice system.
Yes,even a "punk" has the right to live.But not at the expense of other people's right to liberty and security.If you want to live,when a police officer tells you to do something,do it.If your rights were violated,you can argue about it later.At least you are alive.
And people who think police officers can kill anyone without remorse are simply idiots.They face more consequences than most can imagine.
The loss of anyone in an incident such as this is tragic.And even more-so when the person is so young.But,if there is violence on the streets,I want the police to come out on top every time.Our streets are there for every law abiding citizen in the country.
If you want to go on breathing,cut down on lifes risks.Don't drink and drive,don't smoke,eat right,and OBEY THE LAW AND THOSE HIRED TO ENFORCE THOSE LAW.Teach your kids to do the same.When the risk to safety rises,it's time to get your butt out of there.It is not time to challenge the police.They also have a right to live.And,unlike the rowdies,they do not have the option to flee the scene.
Put yourself in risky situations means you are willing to accept the consequences.


aa
said

something has to change, nobody takes the hands of the law and the justice system for what they are anymore! people from all status quo no longer respect or fear the rules and common laws put in place. for even a group of youngling to challenge the
police is beyond reason. if an constable officer address and ask you a question you obey, not challenge their authority. it is sad nowadays that from all walks of life the likes of teenagers to a common even bus drivers etc...has no common civility like not so long ago, and this is the outcome.


lily
said

If I was a police and I was ganged up by 10-20 people, who didn't listen, who threatened my safety, I would shoot.
Would i have the time to call a back up? No, I probably would've died by then.

And by the way, creating a riot after only prooves that the young people are on the guilty side.


Devil's advocate
said

I am so tired of reading the opinions of certain individuals. I agree that law enforcement agents are around to serve and protect. It is also a very demanding and stressful occupation. I would never take away from these amazing men and women that risk their lives every day to ensure society's safety. However, many of the posts defending the officers' actions are quasi-saying that this young man deserved the fate imposed on him. Since this story first broke, many alleged "facts" have changed a great deal and many details have yet to be revealed. What we do know however thanks to the coroner report is that the victim was shot 3 times which in my opinion, seems awfully excessive given that he was unarmed. It takes a great deal of strength to be a police officer and not every individual is qualified for the job.

If I were surrounded by 10 angry teens (suddenly they're 10 and not 20), I would likely react a great deal differently then would two police officers. That is because they have been TRAINED to deal with various circumstances and it is doubtful that they are required to shoot in every given situation.

I am also fed up of many individuals referring to gangs and punks and those that almost go as far as saying that he got what was coming to him. That does not justify death! And for the individual that is tired of Fredy being referred to as a teenager...may I remind you that he was eigTEEN and although he is no longer a minor in the eyes of the law, he died at a very tender age and had much to live and experience.

I would recommend that we all wait patiently for the investigation into this tragedy to be completed and the report be released before any further judgements are passed on either party.


Chris
said

Anyone else fully expecting more riots if the investigation clears the officers of any wrongdoing?

It's what the rest of Canada expects out of Montreal.


RK
said

I too stand behind the police on this one. There are repercussions for your actions. If the police say “back off” then you darn well better do as they say. People today think they have the right to do whatever they please. Sure you can do whatever you want, but remember there are consequences for your actions. In this case the consequence was death. If the police officers hadn’t drawn there guns and had been beaten to death by these street hoodlums, do you think there would be a public outcry over that?


Chris
said

To Wake Up Call:

You need to stop watching police dramas on TV. Real cops don't shoot people in the leg, or fire a warning shot in the air. They are trained to shoot someone where there is the most surface area and will cause the attacker to stop in their tracks. That is the chest. What if they tried to shoot someone in the knee and missed, and then lost their own life because of it? Does that make sense?

And to Thierry:

How dare you say I have no heart. Just because I don't share your opinion means I have no heart? How bout this? Because you don't share MY view, I say you have no brain. Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it?


D in AB
said

This is to M.S. in Montreal, police officers are not, and correctly should not, be trained to "shoot for the knee caps". Aiming at a downward angle like that is just asking for a riccochet that might take out an innocent bystander not even in the group. Furthermore, the act of drawing your weapon for a police officer is part of escalation of force, applying the correct amount of force to the situation. I don't know all the details of this particular situation, but if an officer has discharged his weapon, it is because he has deemed that lethal force has become necessary to protect himself, his partner(s) and the puclic in general. It is a last resort, but one that unfortunately becomes necessary sometimes. There is no "shoot to wound" as that's just asking for more trouble.
This is how soldiers AND police are trained, and rightly so. Life is not an action movie where you shoot a gun out of someone's hand. Hard reality, and I'm sorry the kid died.


montreal nord
said

i really hope that the montreal police take a seriouse action against gang de rue its out of control in montreal nord st michel, !


Thnk alot
said

My condolences go out to his family. R.I.P Freddy Villanueva.

There is still an investigation to complete, so nobody should be at fault yet.

I have to side with the police on this, mainly for the fact that their there to serve & protect us. I respect what they do for a living.

I've been stopped by police on many occasions, and you have to remember to respect authority. Treat them with respect and they will treat you with the same respect. Start talking back and things will get difficult.

If a police officer is apprehending someone, would you jump in and try to stop the police?

Is the media is to blame then? Music these days ( rap in particular ) show no respect to police. I doubt these "youth" listen to country music.

Once again it's sad when life is lost and if the cops are in the wrong I hope that there dealt with properly.

Cops are supposed to stop people, question them if they feel they might pose a threat to society, who are you to interfere with their job?

Ask yourself that.


Chris from Calgary
said

To M.S from Montreal:

Every civilian whether they're green, yellow, blue, black, brown, or white is obliged to respond to verbal direction from Police Officers. People think they know their rights when they don't. When a person ignores verbal direction and graduates to what the Police Officer perceives is an imminent deadly force threat to him/herself or anyone else they will respond with deadly force. And by the way, Police Officers are never trained to wing 'em. They are always trained to hit center of mass, so, that Officer's shooting was right on as far as I'm concerned. It is an unfortunate situation that would not have occurred if Mr. Villanueva had followed the Officer's direction by the sounds of it.


Julie
said

As a mother my heart goes out to this family. This is a very unfortunate incident which many people will have to deal with the decisions that was made that day. Before we pass judgement on either side, lets have an unbias investigation done. No one knows all the facts yet. Both sides of the story needs to be told. The violence that errupted afterwards needs to stop. It's just making matters worse and people are disgusted by that type of behaviour.


Brad
said

It's not the job of the police to make this world a better place. That job belongs to us, the voters, who vote in members of parliment to pass laws to govern our society. It is the job of the police to enforce those laws, and correct me if i'm worng, but I believe there are some laws that state that assulting an officer, no strike that, a human being, is NOT OK. Yes if this person was in my family I would be immediately pissed off at the world around me but once straight foward logic kicked in I'd come to terms with the fact that he made a decission to attack an officer and suffered the consequences. Don't go chewing rocks if you don't want to break your teeth!


Trent
said

To think a little if were my kids they would not be out at night causing trouble... We all have rules and laws to conform to. Lets what and see what the investigation says before everybody gets upset when nobody knows what happened.P.S everybody has the right to seld defence if they feel there life is in danger everybody.....


BCL
said

It amazes me how people can defend these young adults so blindly. These police officers where rushed by a mob of angry young men. This gave the police officers only seconds to react. I know if i was in their shoes my gun would have been drawn. As for the coments on the fact that they had no weapons, Fists and feet can be considered weapons. Every citizen can use deadly force if they feel their life in in danger. Can anyone say they wouldnt feel their life was in danger if they had a group of angry young men sourounding you then rushing you? didnt think so. Sad to say but he got what was coming to him because of HIS actions not the police.


Nicky
said

I feel bad for the familly of the teen, no one should loose their sons this way. But to put all the blame on the officers may not be correct. I don't think that the officers went out seeking someone to shoot. And I do strongly beleive that teens do feel that they have the right to do whatever they want these days and authority is bull. I wasn't there, but i don't think its as simple as some people are thinking, that the police just decided to shoot for no reason. But my heart goes out to the familly...


Jim S
said

Nobody has the right to threaten a police officer, and anybody who does so must be accountable for whatever action the police have to take to protect themselves. This incident appears to have required split-second decision making on the part of police. It does not matter that no guns or knives may or may not have been present, these officers were being swarmed by an overwhelming number of people and took the necessary action to prevent injury to themselves. They have a right and a duty to do so.


Kathy
said

I agree. These young men were not conducting themselves in an appropriate manner if reports are accurate. To surround the police was the wrong decision. This young man was hanging with a bad crowd imho. I am sorry for the family though.


Useurhead
said

Use your head. A group of teens are being questioned by the police. They then get ballsy and rush the police. If the teens managed to knock them all down, and grab a gun. Bottom line, if Police officer say's to stand still, then do it. Why would any one who IS NOT GUILTY rush a cop ?? there is no reason to do it. police officers, like the rest have a right to go home to their families.


Zigatola
said

It's pretty obvious the police where not going around shooting people!

The group mentality kicked in ..."Strength in numbers"... something they no doubt are used to and gave them the confidence to stand up to the police.

I often wonder how many Police officers see a situation like this and pretend they did not see it...knowing full well it is too dangerous.

So some people have commented that they should have called for backup...even the sister...that sounds like an admission that these people are aggressive and dangerous....


Balance
said

"Montreal police say they were surrounded by a group of about 10 teens and that many of them rushed the officers"..What about the other side of the Story? Its easy to be misled to believe something when you don't have a way of hearing from the other parties involved........


John Nedohin
said

Our justice system is to blame along with human rights groups.Police put their life on the line and justice fails. Gives them a slap on the fingers and back on the street. I would have done the same thing as the police did. Good job police and thanks for protecting the law abiding citizens.


Gregory Boudreau
said

Why is it always the police that are at fault, In this day we are living in people have no respect for authority, wheather it is a police officer, parent, teacher, etc.The young people are out of control, when I was growing up in Montreal, we were taught to respect those in authority over us, and that came from my parents, today parents are failing in all areas pertaining to their kids. Kids are permitted to stay out at all hours of the night, permitted to do what ever they please. We have to try and teach our youth these basic rules, otherwise this is what is going to continue to happen.Young lives going to waste.


Rick in NB
said

Remember the original media report claimed that there were 20 teens or gangstas surrounding the officers. Now its 10 but this doesn't stop you posters from giving your fictional comments.
This family immigrated from the Honduras during Fredy's education yet he managed to graduate from an educational institute by 18 years old or earlier. Our children have problems changing school districts let alone changing countries. Fredy's education should tell us he wanted a good life. The way his family is handling this tragedy should give us cause to think before we condemn Fredy. Yet most people prefer to handle this with a mob mentality. Again i ask you to let the investigation be released before you discover you have foot in mouth issues.


M.S. from Montreal
said

My heart goes out to the Villanueva family. This is a very tragic event that happened in montreal...that police officer shouldn't have shot three times in the first place even if it was for self defense. One shot would have been enough to keep the teens from approaching or attacking them and why in the chest? the shot could have been aimed somewhere like the leg which wouldn't have killed the teen and at the same time protected their own lives...what happened last saturday is a serious case of racial profiling and those arguing against this saying you should respect police officers no matter what, have either never been in montreal or havent experienced racial profiling. I agree the police are doing their job as they get involved in dangerous situations for the benefit of society but these officers are trained to act according to situations and obviously the officer who shot Fredy wasn't trained properly as she fired 3 bullets into his chest. Montreal police officers need some SERIOUS training or something else needs to be done to fix this MAJOR problem before another life is taken away.


Wake Up Call
said

When did 18 year old ADULTS become little boys? When did looting and destruction of innocent communities become vengeance? Why would anyone think vengeance against police is called for when they defend themselves against gang bangers? The article keeps talking about teens and refer to Fredy as a teen, but at 18 you are legally an adult. How many of you have every been surrounded by 10 angry teens? I was one surrounded by a dozen teens when I was a minority in another country, and only survived because I took down three of them allowing me to break their circle and escaped by jumping into a moving taxi. It was the most frightening thing I have ever experienced. Those are the kind of teens we are talking about here, not a study group relaxing in the park after an excursion to the Library, but a bunch of thugs who prey on society.


James
said

SIMPLE

COPS WERE PROVOKED, COPS SAID BACK OFF, PROVOKERS DIDN'T BACK OFF.

PEOPLE DON'T GET SHOT FOR NO REASON


Thierry
said

people that are with the police .

2 WORDS . NO HEART .


Wake Up People
said

Straight talk:

Police just can't go out and create a situation out of nothing and decide to open fire. Even a punk has right to live.

Think about this, some punks were sitting outside a baseball/soccer/hockey game, cop decided to have fun knowing that the place has too many people/kids around. Everyone (specially kids) is interested what police is up to, and police seeing that many people don't know what to do, decides to open fire. Unfortunately, Your kid was playing nearby and gets shot. Now I would like to blame your kid for the mishap.

Without knowing the facts or presumption is ugly evil in the society. Let’s wait for the report; it may change your opinion.


Jim


Terry
said

The loss of anyone, let alone a youth, is very tragic. One's choice in friends can, and often does, lead to events beyond ones control. Put youself in the shoes of the officers. You have a crowd of youths coming at you, surrounding you, what do you do? You protect yourself if you feel you are in danger. Unfortunately, someone lost his life. I feel for both sides in this case. The important issue here is what can be done to prevent this in the future? What can be offered for these youth so they have a more positive outlet away from gang activity? Life is tough and scary these days and there has to be a solution to prevent this from occuring again. It is a far too common scene with the youth of today.


think a little
said

are you guys crazy or something ?! people have no heart anymore it makes me sick . The 18 year old guy IS DEAD , he did not do anything at all . The police shot him 3 TIMES , FOR WHAT ?! He had no knife , no gun , nothing so the police can fell attack . It is crazy to say that young people have no respect for the authority , you think it's right to just be killing people like that for no reason ?! give your head a shake . These police they think there in movies or something , this is reality and in reality you don't just walk around killinf every young kid thats in a gang . What happen to this world ?! Just think if it was your kid , or a part of your family , HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ?! Maybe young kids don't respect the police because they don't do there job right . And it's not a story like this that will make kids respect more the police . It is completly crazy and police officers should really start doing there job properly , because they are suposse to make this world a better place and they are making it worse .


James in Ottawa
said

Why was this man in the altercation with police in the first place, why are people blaming the police? They have guns for a reason they are there for their and others protection, if you were a cop with many people attacking you, what are you supposed to do... "Please stop and calm yourselves...." kids have no rules and don't know what consequences are, maybe we should look at how he was raised before looking at the police.


Paul
said

Call for re-inforcments? It's all well and fine for people to play armchair cops but even you don't know what you would do when out in the situation that these officers were in. I agree with Mack, we all choose our friends.


job
said

It amazes me that people think the police can just shoot people without feeling remorse. I ask this Can we just shoot people without feeling the pain that comes with the reality of taking another human beings life? NO...so why would they be any different then us. You telling me its easy to pull the trigger? Next time a burgular comes into your home and you have to make a decision to defend yourself with force...count the seconds of pause before you take action...its hard to take a life, there was good reason for their actions...lets probe the youth..not just the cops and i bet you...the youth will be found just as to blame...walks like a duck..talks like a duck..well you get the point...


Mack
said

The slain boy's sister said "Trust, big word eh?"

It is amazing how much un-warranted criticism the police take for doing their jobs. If the youths hadn't gotten in that big group fight, had approached the police like they were asked, and not surrounded the cops like a gang, then he'd probably be alive today.

Just don't put yourself in a situation where that can happen. It's all in the friends you keep.


Al
said

Excuse me, but calling for re-inforcements only works when you have time. These young people have no respect for authority anymore (parents' fault IMO, but that's another discussion). These young people where showing full intent to storm an attack the police. As sad as the death of a young person is, he initiated the actions resulting in his death.


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